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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9



mafketis
30 Jan 2024  #481

Not looking like tha sanctions are slowing down

The current sanction regime is meaningless. As Kamil Galeev has pointed out numerous times, what needs to be sanctioned are choke points in their military production line (dependent on western companies which continue to operate). Western leaders behind the sanctions either don't know or don't care that German and Czech companies continue to help russia produce weapons killing Ukrainian civilians.

That said, I'm not in favor of lifting sanctions cause it's a symbolic statement of russian inferiority. Only when they hit bottom is there any chance of improvement (like alcoholics and druggies).

Bobko
30 Jan 2024  #482

Kamil Galeev

I like him now. Especially, because at the top of his Twitter profile, is pinned a post about how Russia will inevitably win this war. Smart man.

His incessant posting about CNC machines, was annoying, particularly after some Western policymakers actually took note.

The good news, however, is that a CNC machine is not a cruise missile, and a purchaser isn't legally bound to continue advising Siemens or whoever about what he did with the machine after he decided to replace it.

mafketis
30 Jan 2024  #483

ussia will inevitably win this war

Let the purges begin!!!!

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1751769001527566782

twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1579809855380291584

Tell me again about the rosy future of Ukrainians under russian rule.... if you're right then why do so many russian public figures lie?

Actually Galeev says that western countries don't fix the sanction regime russia will win...

and the US republican party has taken an objectively pro-russian stance by refusing to do anything and tying Ukrainian aid to other, unrelated issues.

What country will believe the US is an ally in the future? Time for Europe to disengage from the US and build its own defensive alliances.

PolAmKrakow
30 Jan 2024  #484

@mafketis
Biden tied Ukraine aid to the border, not republicans, even the left wing media says this. nytimes.com/2023/12/07/us/politics/biden-immigration-ukraine.html

Any country that is truly and ally of the US would take on more of the burden for this war. Point the finger at the right people for a change. Europe should have built its own military thirty years ago. All the VAT money wasted on immigration for illegals could have been much better spent on protecting Europe.

@Bobko
I thought Lays had left, but they are a Pepsi company and have not. Honestly though, it makes no sense to allow those brands to be exported to Russia when other companies were forced to fvck themselves over sanctions. Who TF is leading this group? Oh sorry, sleepy Joe.

mafketis
30 Jan 2024  #485

Biden tied Ukraine aid to the borde

He doesn't want a Ukrainian victory either, the US establishment is terrified of russian collapse....

Europe should have built its own military thirty years a

agreed, but the silly things didn't realize just how bloodthirsty russia was and is and will be.... russia is the problem that Europe shares

Bobko
30 Jan 2024  #486

I thought Lays had left... Honestly though, it makes no sense to allow those brands to be exported to Russia when other companies were forced to fvck themselves over sanctions

Huh???

Pepsi should be banned from exporting to Russia, because Coca Cola decided to voluntarily leave and this is not fair to Coca Cola? What the hell?

Nobody held a gun to Coca Cola's head. It made a calculation, that it would suffer greater losses as a result of reputational damage to the brand, then from the loss of revenues it foregoes by leaving Russia. As it turned out, this was a misguided move. Nobody stopped drinking Pepsi, or eating Lays chips, just because that company continues to do business in Russia. In your case, you weren't even aware they were still there.

Virtue Signaling 0 - Capitalism 1.

Coca Cola and IKEA expected to get a big pat on the back for "standing on the right side of history". Turns out, only rare fruits like Maf and Neuf even follow these news, while the overwhelming majority of Western consumers cannot even find Ukraine on a map.

jon357
30 Jan 2024  #487

banned from exporting

No company based in a country that values human decency should be exporting there now.

I'd like to see companies that do export there banned from trading in the U.K. and Poland.

Lays chips

Crisps?

Lays? That should be an exception.

They are nasty foreign ones, inferior to decent crisps.

Putler can eat as many of those as he wants, especially if they're laced with cyanide.

Bobko
30 Jan 2024  #488

I'd like to see companies that do export there banned from trading in the U.K. and Poland.

That may end up having seriously adverse effects for the health of those two countries' citizenship. GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca both continue to work in Russia. I'm not sure that other Brits and other Poles will subscribe to your point of view.

I don't know who Unilever belongs to now - the Dutch or the British, but that's another one you might want to keep trading. Shutting down HSBC and Legal & General, may also end up harming the UK more than it harms Russia.

Do not despair, however, because some important British companies DID leave - and they were a surprise! First among them is BP. Who could have guessed that it would be those vampires that jumped ship? The other one, that was perhaps even more surprising, was Imperial Tobacco. Also, I think British American Tobacco. Given that Russia was one of their biggest markets, and their products kill more Russians than the Armed Forces of Ukraine - this was a big surprise.

jon357
30 Jan 2024  #489

GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca

In which case they should cease connection with that entity immediately.

Shutting down HSBC and Legal & General, may also end up harming the UK

We can live with that.

Tobacco

Yes, I was saddened by that. A lot of toxins could have been introduced via cigs.

Bobko
30 Jan 2024  #490

In which case they should cease connection with that entity immediately.

You would deny Russians suffering from oncological issues, the drugs that may extend their time on the planet? What's more, you would deny it to your own people, for the sin of trading with Russia?

One thing I actually respected about the Western sanctions packages, is that they never touched pharma.

jon357
30 Jan 2024  #491

You would deny Russians suffering from oncological issues

No, Putler would by the sanctions that result from his illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

Every effect of that war is Russia's fault.

What's more, you would deny it to your own people, for the sin of trading with Russia?

No, I'd nationalise any company that committed such a disgusting crime, in cases where they have a product or service that is important to us.

Remember, every negative consequence of Russia's illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine is the fault of russia.

mafketis
30 Jan 2024  #492

deny Russians suffering from oncological issues, the drugs that may extend their time on the planet?

Not my place to worry about that.... take up your bellyachin' with the kremlin. I'm sure they'll be impressed.

every negative consequence of Russia's illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine is the fault of russia

fruit of the poison tree that is russian 'culture'....

Novichok
30 Jan 2024  #493

The probability that Russia will walk away from C, D, or L in the next 100 years is zero.
The probability that the US or NATO will have a base in Ukraine in the next 100 years is equal to the probability that Russia will have a military base in Canada or Mexico.

The only remaining question is: How many men will die before the above sinks in at the DC?

mafketis
30 Jan 2024  #494

ussia will walk away from C, D, or L

or could walk away from all three (probably will....) but why don't you care about 3 or X? Very odd....

cms neuf
30 Jan 2024  #495

Udmurtians who are concerned about their access to medicine have an election coming up - and a chance to to quiz the candidates openly about that.

PolAmKrakow
30 Jan 2024  #496

Russia will never walk away from controlled areas. Their constitution wont allow it, and Putin could never sell it. The only way Ukraine gets those areas back is to take them back, or hold a referendum and allow people to vote as part of the peace deal. Anyone thinking otherwise is fvcking blind.

Not surprised big pharma was never blocked or sanctions made on them. Two reasons. Big pharma owns Washington and Biden, and if people died due to lack of medicine, it would be a political disaster. Make sure to get your covid boosters all you Fauci fallowers!

Bobko
30 Jan 2024  #497

if people died due to lack of medicine, it would be a political disaster.

It would certainly take some of the shine off of that armor of moral superiority.

Your point about pharma controlling Washington, actually applies more to food. Western farmers seem to really have their governments on a short leash. So the West did not apply any sanctions to food, not because the West was afraid Russians would starve without Doritos and Pop Tarts, but because they were afraid Russia would retaliate with its own food sanctions. French winemakers, Polish apple growers, Italian pasta manufacturers, are just some groups that had huge exposure to Russia.

Russia ended up implementing food sanctions anyway, but still managed to agree to a compromise with the West where it would be able to continue exporting its foodstuffs. The reason for this, was of course Western fears that hordes of starving Africans would flood their coasts.

Novichok
30 Jan 2024  #498

Russia will never walk away from controlled areas.

I knew I could count on you in this respect.
Hey, Russia-hating idiots, did you read what PAK just said?

Alien
30 Jan 2024  #499

did you read what PAK just said?

Is PAK an oracle?

cms neuf
30 Jan 2024  #500

An oracle only in 3 matters

Trump will win
Mexico
We will all be sorry

Velund
30 Jan 2024  #501

X5, the biggest supermarket chain makes only 1 million deliveries a week

journal.tinkoff.ru/food-delivery-stat/ - use your favorite online translator to read. X5 is not a leader in deliveries, of course. Sbermarket is - it is company that work in many supermarket chains and deliver orders from a number of shops statewide.

Novichok
30 Jan 2024  #502

An oracle only in 3 matters

You forgot that Americans are sick and tired of being sick and tired...

Novichok
31 Jan 2024  #503

Russians must be reading my posts...

Quoting:

Put nuclear weapons in Cuba - Russian MP
Aleksey Zhuravlev has suggested that Moscow should deploy missiles in "friendly" countries

Russia should place its nuclear weapons in "friendly countries" near the US in response to Washington's plans to move its own tactical arms to Europe, lawmaker Aleksey Zhuravlev has suggested.


Hey, Aleksey, go right ahead. I guarantee you that the DC will not mind. They can be all kinds of things but never hypocrites.

Novichok
31 Jan 2024  #504

Quoting:

Moscow 'doesn't give a damn' that Japan is upset over islands - Medvedev
The Kurils are part of Russia and a legitimate base for its military, the former president has said


I love simple.

PolAmKrakow
31 Jan 2024  #505

@cms neuf
Oracle. I will add that to my list of things people have called me. That falls somewhere in the nice department whether sarcastic or not.

Joe Biden now, in order to circumvent congress is donating old equipment to Greece for free. Greece will then donate equipment to Ukraine. This little reported story should be getting a lot of attention. The US manipulates the Greek government who is starving for cash and attention into becoming a back door to Ukraine. Because of their help, Greece will be eligible for up to 200 million in aid for military equipment in the future. While I applaud the effort to keep items flowing to Ukraine, this simply shows, that Biden doesnt GAF about what US citizens want, and he is willing to do anything to further his agenda.

mafketis
31 Jan 2024  #506

constitution wont allow it

putain himself has referred to occupied areas as 'Ukraine', breaking his own law, so.... constitution shmonstitution....

utin could never sell it

this is russia, he doesn't have to sell it....he could withdraw from all of occupied Ukraine tomorrow, declare it a great victory and there wouldn't be a peep from the public and even if there was... no one in government has cared what the serfs think since around 2012

Bratwurst Boy
31 Jan 2024  #507

WOW!

USA supplies Ukraine with new missile that not even the US Army has

focus.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krieg-im-ticker-mit-tunnel-taktik-durchbricht-russland-die-ukrainische-front-bei-awdijiwka_id_57275780.html

...Wednesday, January 31st, 7:53 a.m.: Ukraine is apparently receiving the new GLSDB missile type from the USA - one that not even the US Army itself uses. The US magazine " Politico ", citing several US officials, reports that the new weapon should arrive in Ukraine on Wednesday after successful tests in the USA.

The new missile, which has a range of around 90 miles (144 kilometers) and can be fired from the ground, "gives them capabilities for deeper strikes that they haven't had before," Politico quoted a US official as saying. "It's an extra arrow in their quiver that will allow them to do more."

Military expert Nico Lange speaks on X, formerly Twitter, of a weapon with "very high precision". According to him, the GLSDB missiles can also be fired from Himars missile launchers.

....


....that I call generous!

PolAmKrakow
31 Jan 2024  #508

@mafketis
Of course you are right on all things. And in other Russian news Boris Yeltsin has been declared a saint for his economic genius.

@Bratwurst Boy
Good news, but how long ago were these promised? More than six months ago. Not enough from sleepy Joe.

Bratwurst Boy
31 Jan 2024  #509

NATO's Steadfast Defender 2024: Unprecedented Military Exercise Signals Alliance Unity and Preparedness

act.nato.int/article/steadfast-defender-2024-signals-alliance-unity-and-preparedness/

....The exercise is strategically located in several key European countries, including Finland, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden, and the United Kingdom. Events will take place from the end of January to May 31, 2024, divided into two parts.

During the initial phase (End of January to mid-March), the focus will be on maritime reinforcement across the Atlantic and in the Arctic. The second phase (mid-February to the end of May) will shift to using deployed reinforcements across all domains, from the Arctic to the Eastern Flank.....




faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/russland-abschreckung-was-beim-nato-manoever-steadfast-defender-passiert-19484925.html

NATO begins the largest military exercise since the end of the Cold War. As part of the "Steadfast Defender" exercise, a total of more than 90,000 soldiers from Europe and the United States will be deployed across the continent to the northern, eastern and southeastern flanks of the alliance area and will also hold combat exercises there.....

....still THE military power, beside the internal strife and bitching!

Mr Grunwald
31 Jan 2024  #510

90,000

Those are peanut Numbers for any post-Napoleonic size of military, especially international ones. However if

1. Those troops get used to it
2. It works
3. Excersises continue in the future

Then expect every non-western leader to imagine the amount of Mobilised soldiers that will have combat ready personel guiding them in similar future operations in time of need from every single country listed in this

200,000-1 000 000 armed men x 13. Able to work like a fist.

I don't think any leader in Russia or China can expect their allies to pack a punch like that to be honest.


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