Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

I'd say that is what most Europeans think about Brexit given the choice. Even those who are critical of the current state of the EU. Because the damage Brexit has done to the UK is obvious to anyone willing to see it.

While the putain-fvkker interview was a dud, russia has managed to turn a lot of western conservatives against Ukraine (horseshoe theory - anti-Ukrainians tend to be far left and far right).

Will Poland be the next target?

putain blamed Poland for WWII because it wasn't sufficiently pliable to Nazi Germany (a soviet ally at the time)

How else will russia try to turn western conservatives against Poland?

Will it work?

And if they weren't going to boycott you, would you have still wanted the cheap oil?


The view of 'Most Europeans' is irrelevant. Only the view of 70 million Europeans matters here.


It hasn't though, has it. For reasons already outlined here.

However bitter that makes you feel.


We can be very sure that they will try and that the views expressed by some here will mirror those of their favour politicians or youtubers.

Minding your own damn business was. Without Germany and other warmongering azholes, there would not be a war in Ukraine, Z and P would sign the final agreement in April 2022, and a million men would be alive and well today. That agreement, BTW, left D and L in Z's hands. Crimea was non-negotiable.

But I guess Germany has no problems with Ukrainian and Russian blood being spilled as long as the pimp's MICC is rolling in the dough. In that sense, Germans make me sick since you can't even claim greed.

True!

As of December 2023, 55 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union.....

statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/


Sooner or later everybody pays for such an dependence on energy! It has been only a matter of time till one Putin or another would had squeezed us for it. Germany had been led by donkeys for so long, to turn it around is painfull!

"Warmongering"???! Germany has been the most law abiding, peace loving member of the entire EU, Rich.
Why dredge up old, useless stereotypes?

Oki, Let's translate that, Germany has been the most pusssy, cowardly useless member of the EU, (But they control it) Pretending they something where dey actually nothing. Which like the UN is Useless. How you like dat?

Where are all the Ukraine supporters when it comes to the "third round" of elections held in Ukraine, with no third round of elections being legal under the Ukraine constitution? How does an illegal action become the basis for a legal action? You know, just for the sake of discussion.

You don't have to pull the trigger to be a murderer. Supplying the gun to the one who is planning to murder is enough.

There is a mother in the US who was charged criminally and found guilty of doing just that. She did not pull the trigger. Her moron son did. Four times.

When German tanks kill Russians because the pimp told Germany to send them there, the last days of WW2 look a lot better for the Red Army.

A Polish military analyst I actually respect, Konrad Muzyka, published an interesting post on Twitter a few days ago. Attaching screenshot below.

A guy that actually closely follows the development of Poland's armed forces, and produces reports for EU militaries - doesn't for a second buy the "strongest land army on the continent" narrative.

Some context for who Muzyka is - he's one of a group of 4 Western analysts that have produced the best reporting on the military aspects of this war. The only Pole of the group, the others are Rob Lee (former USMC, current fellow at FPRI), Michael Kofman (Carnegie Endowment), and Franz-Stefan Gady (fmr. Austrian military).

Since the start of the war, they have travelled to Ukraine at least 3 times each. They have visited the frontline, interviewed AFU officers, met with Zaluzhny and Syrski, and toured defense facilities. These are not your typical Twitter OSINT accounts laying out battle maps from the safety of their mother's basement.

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@jon357


I am not bitter, all I feel is pity for the British people.

I just take exception to you demonizing the EU because you want to feel better about this bad decision. You made the mistake, own up to it.


Moral arguments do not matter for him. He made an economic argument and I pointed out the likely consequences of his scenario.

Yet we're happy enough to enjoy the growing economy. Remember, the grass is always greener for some. Meanwhile, your gamers can't even get cheap fuel and a fringe far right party is expected to do well in your elections.


You were very pro-Ukraine yourself until recently. Enjoy the gulag b1atches!

.....maybe we should just blame the EU for that too....

It very much is debatable. In fact, I will go so far as to say that you are completely wrong.

Rus' has nothing to do with religion, or Greeks, or even Kiev.

According to Wikipedia:

The name Rus', like the Proto-Finnic name for Sweden (*Ruotsi), supposed to be descended from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-) as rowing was the main method of navigating the rivers of Eastern Europe, and that it could be linked to the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen or Roden, as it was known in earlier times.

Basically, it could either mean "rowers" or "Swedes".

The founder of the Russian state, Rurik, ruled from Novgorod. His successor, Oleg the Seer, who acted as regent for Rurik's son Igor, was the one who conquered other Slavic tribes to the South and eventually moved the capital to Kiev.

Bottom line: Russia's name comes from the Vikings that founded the Russian state. The Russian state was not founded in Kiev, but in Novgorod. There were no Greeks within 1,000 miles of Novgorod in the 9th century.

If Ukraine is really the descendant of Rus, they should be able to show the path from Rurik to Vladimir Zelensky - they can't.

Meanwhile we can easily show, how Rurik leads to Yaroslav the Wise - Yaroslav the Wise to Ivan the Terrible - Ivan the Terrible to Peter the Great - Peter the Great to Vladimir Lenin - Vladimir Lenin to Vladimir Putin (skipping dozens of generations for simplicity's sake).

P.S. I feel I may have just done a Putin.

How well are things going for russia?

they're considering raising the upper age limit for combat soldiers to 65....... average life expectancy for russian men is...... 64....

twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1755575361826431071

First they say that russian women can now marry dead men and now this...... russia is clearly preparing a zombie force.....

Are they to blame? Certainly there are issues with agricultural policy, however migration is inevitable and common across wealthier societies.


Events in the time of Vikings are no basis for national borders now.


What 'path' and why would they?

And yet Brexiteers loved to blame the EU for that. Remember that "breaking-point" poster?

We have serious problems in Germany, but most people here realize that those are unrelated to the EU and in fact understand that we would be worse off without it. Imposing trade barriers to our most important trade partners and vital supply chains will surely help our economy grow again... .

The genealogy of their rulers during the Rurikovich and Romanov dynasties. This has actual legal import, as far as borders are concerned, since those legal documents were executed by these same people. I'm sure you won't be surprised that many of the factors defining current British borders arose during the time of the Norman conquest. So yes, events from the time of the Vikings do have import on current borders.

Why do "Ukrainian" rulers, inexplicably show up in the physical bloodlines of Russian rulers? A tad bit inconvenient, isn't it? Russia is able to prove its claim through actual DNA, while Ukrainians have to go dig up some dusty tome in a library in France, to hysterically point at some "first mention" of the word "Ukraine" in a written text.

Pathetic.

That's utterly irrelevant since both Ukraine and r*SSia are republics.

Your suggestion that British 'borders' (a coastline n fact plus an odd hangover in Ireland that is a matter for the people there) are somehow affected by an invasion 1000 years ago is just bizarre.

Let Ukraine be Ukraine; they don't want r*SSia.


Conservatives. And to be fair, most migrants come through France and are helped by the French police.

Bitter about Brexit, aren't you...

However if you want to be in a union or don't, you're free either way. Nobody will pressure you to be in one or not.

I mean the Channel Islands, you dolt.

Return them to France, since they were legally part of the Duchy of Normandy.

Only inevitable for some.

Why do you think that is?

They're not part of Britain. Or France. It's up to the islanders what they want to do and who they want to ally with. Like Ukraine; their choice.

@Poloniusz
Did you think Israel lacks immigrants?

BTW, I'm not very happy that Rus could potentially just mean "Swedes". I'd be much more hurt if CMS Neuf began calling me a Swede, rather than an Udmurtian.

There is strong school of thought amongst nationalist Russian historians, where they developed a whole "rebuttal" of the "Varangian Hypothesis". Suffice it to say, that it hasn't met much acceptance in mainstream academia.

It's humiliating to the nationalists that Russia was put together by a bunch of Westerners.

Isn't it amazing how Jews are in the business of pushing everything white people find abhorrent? Migration, abortion, LGBT pervertions, p0rn, ... the list is endless...


...and the Russians in Crimea, Donbas,...good point, jon69...


Hey, Englishman, learn English...He said "migration", not "immigration"... Duh...

Thanks for admitting their border walls don't work and their Jewish diaspora should instead be lobbying to make Israel a crossroads of the world!




They lack the right kind of immigrants.

What?

Get a grip on yourself.

Much better than the life expectancy of unborn babies in America...


As I said...a good migrant is a dead migrant.

Hey, PAK, congratulations for your ability to endure that 2-hour-long interview with Putin.

I lasted only 10 minutes for two reasons: (1) Tucker's face, and (2) I expected a punchline upfront from Putin, not a history lesson. Soldiers with guns win wars, not anthropologists and gravediggers. This interview should last 20 minutes to make it memorable.

BTW, I would be better as Putin.

@jon357
I am still pro Ukraine. But unlike most Ukraine supporters, I am looking at all sides, all the evidence, and listening to everyone. I never follow anyone blindly, frankly I dont follow anyone ever. Ukraine did an awful lot to bring this on themselves. They are not innocent. The civilians are innocent, but the politicians of Ukraine are just as dirty as those in Washington and Moscow.

Unlike some, I dont believe in party politics or movements. I believe in people and their actions. Joe Biden is a senile man who should be removed from office. Putin is a war criminal if he knew about any war crimes and did not order them stopped. Boris the coxucker did fvck a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia. America is profiting off of the war. Congressmen are getting rich on insider trading. Z is a puppet for the US MIC, and he is incapable of finishing this war with a "win" for Ukraine. Just reporting the facts the way I see them. Anyone who has their little feelings hurt can FO.

What do you mean?