Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

Meanwhile, explosions in occupied Crimea last night and a major explosion in the sea.... preliminary reports indicate the ropucha class landing ship (tsaezar kunikov) has decided to transform into a submarine....


Krakow?

And russians don't have red lines... almost every red line has been crossed at which point they shut up about it.

It is not theft - it is compensation

Of course the EU is morally superior to Putler, Lavrov, Medvedev and all the other drunks

@mafketis
Krakow is not a target unless it is nuclear war. Warsaw could be though.

@cms neuf
Theft is theft. The EU does not have permission from the owner of those funds to take those funds. Pretty simple. The EU stealing is no better morally than any other country or group of countries stealing.

Imagine, this utopian society created by all these leftist countries. Basic income, social scoring, and carbon credits. This is where all these socialists are heading. Why? Because one small portion of them has plenty of money and they know they can manipulate the system and not much will change for them. The larger portion will then become the worker ants confined to small geographic areas most of the time and they will own nothing. What does that remind you of?

It is a very slippery slope the EU is on, and they need to be very careful. Putin will take revenge somehow. And if that doesnt scare anyone, then they are stupid.

I'm not a socialist and oppose all the things you are ranting about

It's not theft - it's compensation for murders and destruction. Why would we wait for murdering rapists and psychopaths to give us permission?

The EU is the owner of those profits made from its citizens. Oligarchs do not call the shots, nor is there any 'right' to make profit.

Is a fine 'theft'? Are reparations'theft'? Is compensation 'theft'?


Boo hoo hoo. The world is used to tyrants and they always lose.

Not that it going to war with Russia but that in case of Russia attacking NATO countries, the US will honor its obligation and that means going to war, Simple.

Meanwhile, while tiny SKorea is a cultural superpower producing all sorts of things the world likes.... russia goes all in for North Korea (which killed 10 % of its population in a famine in the 1990's.... so.... I guess they have a lot to talk about).

twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1757469093425209738


Who do you feel about asset seizures targeting organized crime?

@cms neuf
Without due process it is theft. All the EU ranting about Poland and Rule of Law, and then the EU does this? Absolute hypocracy and criminal.

@jon357
The EU doesnt own those profits. It is called due process. Without it, you, I and everyone else can become victims of the state for unlawful search and siezure.

@mafketis
I support all asset siezures under due process. Under the law assets may be siezed and held. No assets siezed and held may be disposed of and/or liquidated until guilt is proven in a court of competent jurisdiction. Or unless an agreement of forfieture is made through negotiated settlement. This is the law of the west, and you among others support breaking our own laws?

Iron, I respect a lot of your posts. But if you think the US is sending men and equipment into any European war in an election year, you are not thinking clearly. Joe Biden is on the verge of being declared mentally incompetent and people are talking about using the 25th amendment to remove him from office. There is 8.5 months left to the election, and no one is going to send US men to die. The US will send more equipment, and protect its men in its European bases, but there is no way they will be sent someplace to fight. The United States is divided like never before, and if Biden sent men to die, the violence that would take place in the US over that action would make the Vietnam protests look tame. I will take a straw poll in Detroit while I am there this weekend and let you know what all the progressive democratic supporters of Biden think.

Udmurtia wouldn't recognize any court that started due process

They would bluster and wave their rusty nukes and threaten to arrest tne judges

They can learn the hard way not to invade their peaceful neighbors

The countries involved decide who owns what in their sovereign territory. They make the laws.

Individuals and companies are subject to those laws. If that were not the case, people could just do anything they liked, however detrimental to society it may be.


Seizure.

Society decides what is or is not unlawful by appointing a legislature to make such laws.

I'm surprised you don't know that.

@cms neuf
If they dont recognize it, then it doesnt matter. The process must take place. Or maybe you want someone kicking you out of your home so one of their friends can take your house and live in it? I think that was done once in Europe and we called it facism.

@jon357
Yes, everyone who avails themselves is subject to any other countrys jurisdiction. Laws cannot be made to retroactively authorize the theft of property. It is called due process. Imagine, how upset Jews would be if Poland kept their property or sold it without them having the ability to regain possesion that property through due process. Oh wait a minute thats what used to happen and it is no longer allowed. FO spelling police.

All of you who cheer these actions may one day be subject to something similar. I hope you have the chance to experience that karma.

It isn't 'theft' though, is it.

And yes, a country can decide very much what happens to its society's assets.

And can enforce its laws.

@jon357
No one with an education would agree with you. Because the money in question is not "its society's" at all. It is Russian money. Period. Taking any of it without due process is a violation of EU laws when those assets were placed in the EU. No country can retroactively force another country to agree to disposal of assets without due process or the opportunity to remove those assets. Maybe do a little research, thats the EU law. You and others like you dont GAF about anyone elses rights if those other people disagree with you. Typical of left wing people.

Beyond the legal reasons. Imagine when it becomes acceptable in any society for the government to just take peoples property without due process. Imagine the jack boots coming to your house in the middle of the night and telling you that yu no longer own your home. That is exactly the thing that these type of illegal government acts lead to. Imagine them taking you bank accounts without going to court. Imagine them taking your car and saying you forfiet ownership because you did not pay a parking ticket. Accepting this is inviting government control, and you may as well go to Russia.

I suspect that the European Commission (and myself) have no worries about our educational level.


It is. All wealth is common wealth.


And there you go.


Did you think it's unchangeable or unable to react to exceptional circumstances? Or that their army of lawyers either haven't been consulted at all or that you 'know' more than them?

Q. What do you call a doctor that came bottom of their class at the medical academy?
A. You call them "Doctor".

Q. What do you call a lawyer who came bottom of their class at university?
A. You don't call them.

Why would someone kick me out of my house ? I haven't illegally invaded anyone

Meanwhile, in russia.... putain (or his udmurt lookalike) has sign a "law" that allows the government to confiscate the property of those spreading 'fakes' about the russian army.

In other words the russian government will seize the property of anyone who says something in public that displeases it....

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1757703833088585947

That probably includes information about the sinking of the Cezar Kunikov....

@jon357
All wealth is not common wealth. That is simply idiotic thinking. Someone from the community tries to take my money without my approval or court ruling wont like my response. What do you call someone who thinks that other peoples property is theirs? Mentaly unstable and delusional.

I know more than you clearly when it somes to commercial law, and the rule of law position of the EU. Everything PiS did was held up by the EU based on rule of law. Now the EU has a double standard and wants to change the law.

Unfortunately, The EU requires due process. And that due process requires that court be held, and that evidence be presented, and that each side be represented. Thats the law. Until those things happen it is theft. And It is absolutely stupid and inflamatory. You fvcking lefties are really something else. Defund the police until you need to call the police. Take what ever you want from Russia, but dont try that with me.

@cms neuf
Doesnt matter if you invaded anyone. The elites say they changed the law now go FO and leave the house so Gertrude can move in.

Hey, stupid, guess where they learned that trick...

Yes, you guessed it right ... from the "democratic" "America"!!! hahahahahaha...
It's called "civil forfeiture". Quoting:

Civil forfeiture allows the government (typically the police) to seize - and then keep or sell - any property that is allegedly involved in a crime or ...

Did you notice that "allegedly"? If a cop pulls you over and notices say 5 grand in hundreds you can kiss it goodbye. You want it back? Sue us...hahahahahahahaha...and spend 10 grand on your lawyer...hahahahahaha... Did you also notice how the US bastards reversed the process? They don't have to sue you to grab that 5k. You have to sue the sobs to get it back...

As I already said so many times before, there is no cure for the RDS. Especially in Poland.

It is.


Your response is irrelevant. And the properly elected authorities aren't "somebody".


Nobody's talking about 'defunding the police' or anything to do with you.

We are talking about reparations to Ukraine

Your history suggests you know less about the law than you claim.

Russia will pay reparations as soon as the US and the "allies" pay for the damage to:

Korea
Vietnam
Iraq
Syria
Libya
Afghanistan
The pipe.

...and for:

slavery
colonialism

@jon357
Dont you have some cox to suck somewhere?

@Novichok
Beginning to agree with you. Wasting time on people who are nothing more than keyboard Karens is really just a waste of time.

The fundamental difference between conservatives and leftist scum is that conservatives like Ben Shapiro welcome questions from leftist scum. Leftist scum hates questions because, as stupid as they are, they are still smart enough to know that they lose every single fact-based debate.

And so it is here...I am ready to defend my facts and opinions and answer all good-faith questions. Leftist scum can't answer any. Especially when the question starts with "how many" or "how much" since only adults can plan and budget.

Leftists are adults with arrested mental development and that's why so many of them are girls and women. Who*res for hire you see on the BBC and CNN are in a different category.

It's not only a violation of EU and US laws, but of international law.

I'm not sure what this may be called in the EU, but in the United States there is a law called the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, or FSIA. As mentioned above, the US has this law on the books not because it is so incredibly fair, but rather it implemented these protections because they are required by international law.

The FSIA grants immunity to foreign states and their agencies and instrumentalities from the jurisdiction of U.S. federal and state courts, subject to certain exceptions. Those exceptions concern acts of terrorism and full-on hostilities between states. The only time America seized sovereign assets (not froze), was during the George W. Bush years when they confiscated Iraqi government reserves during the war.

Since neither the US, nor any EU state, has declared war on Russia - there can be no legal justification for seizure.

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The bottom line: states enjoy protections above and beyond persons or companies. Large parts of the body of international law, are concerned with enumerating the various protections that states grant each other. This principle is hundreds of years old, but it looks like the West may be prepared to trample over it anyway.

War was not declared on Iraq either (US presidents can't declar war anyway, only Congress can).


Trample internationally recognized borders... then don't be surprised if some other things get trampled too....

@mafketis
Get your facts straight. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002

I suppose that's one area you're an expert in, from the showers.


And their oligarchs?

ie not a declaration of war

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war#Declared_wars_since_1945

There was a state of armed hostilities between Iraq and the United States. That was enough to get around FSIA.

No state of armed hostilities exists between the US and Russia.

Makin' a wish?