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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9



Novichok
15 Feb 2024  #1291

It's illegal to be a moron in public in Poland but that didn't stop you. Did it?

Velund
15 Feb 2024  #1292

Is everybody in Poland a brainless terse moron?

Fortunately, no. For example, PAK was initially overwhelmed by a huge wave of propaganda designed for brainless morons, but then he was able to turn his brain on to full capacity and turned out to be quite a sane person. It is a pity that there are not many of them in Poland.

Alien
15 Feb 2024  #1293

initially overwhelmed by a huge wave of propaganda designed for brainless morons, but then he was able to turn his brain on to full capacity and turned out to be quite a sane person.

The problem is that it was exactly the opposite.

Novichok
15 Feb 2024  #1294

PAK was initially overwhelmed by a huge wave of propaganda

To me, PAK is an American temporarily on assignment in Poland.

To have an opinion is always OK. To change it is divine.

Joker
16 Feb 2024  #1295

To me, PAK is an American temporarily on assignment in Poland.

He may be unfortunately in Detroit right about now. Im sure he cant wait to get back to Krakow. No blue haired Michigan freaks hanging around whining and complaining.

johnny reb
16 Feb 2024  #1296

No blue haired Michigan freaks hanging around whining and complaining.

Trump leads in Michigan for the presidential candidate.
biden leads in Illinois for the presidential candidate.

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1297

NATO and the West are an existential threat to Russia.

No. Putin is an existential threat to Russia.

Has everyone missed the part of the Tucker interview in which Putin basically blamed Poland for the outbreak of WW2 because we didn't cave under pressure and refused to give up the corridor etc. when we were offered alliance?

Hitler repeatedly asked Poland to join the anti-comintern pact and every time Poland refused. According to Putin, we should have accepted. Someone should remind him that in 1941 Hitler was a couple of divisions short from taking Moscow. Imagine if he had had 54-60 Polish divisions additionally at his disposal back then! Apparently that's what Putin wishes had happened. Unbelievable.

I was never a great fan of Volodya but after this interview my respect for him is zero. The man is Russia's main problem. He wants one last giddy-up before he kicks the bucket but, unfortunately, he's taking Russia down with him. If you were a Russophile - like I am - you would see it, but you choose to be blindly support everything this madman does.

Novichok
16 Feb 2024  #1298

but you choose to be blindly support everything this madman does.

I don't support blindly anyone.

No. Putin is an existential threat to Russia.

He is a lot less of a threat to Russia than Biden and his Bolsheviks are to the US.

My suggestion: let Russians worry about Russia.

My problem is the spiral of death the US is in right now. Just remember these numbers: 34-1.5-30
The first one is the debt. The second is the annual deficit. Both in trillions. The third - number of illegals in millions.

Nothing else matters to me. Not Putin, not Russia, not Poland...Nothing.

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1299

My suggestion: let Russians worry about Russia.

A rather reasonable suggestion but we should extend it a little bit: let Russians worry about Russia and not about Poland, Moldova, the Baltics etc."

Biden and his Bolsheviks

But your man, Vladimir "Poland should have joined the anti-comintern pact" Putin, prefers Biden to Trump...



... so maybe he (Biden) is not that bad?

PolAmKrakow
16 Feb 2024  #1300

@Velund
Honestly, I was deeply effected by seeing thousands of women and children lined up at aid centers throughout all of Poland. I probably would have been impacted by seeing this first hand in any country. Seeing these children, being a parent and grandparent, you cannot help but be effected. That said, I have dug deeper into all of the issues surrounding this war. I see where the differences are on all sides, and there is not just two sides to this. Anyone who wont step back and look at the whole playing fields will never understand what is happening in the game.

Putin prefers Biden to Trump because Biden is predictable, Trump is not. Why are we all not asking the question of why the EU and US wont simply tell Ukraine to remain neutral? Why is the west pushing, or allowing Ukraine to push the NATO idea?

Putin has said he has no problem with Ukraine in the EU, but he has a problem with Ukraine in NATO. Hungary, or Turkey if not both will vote against Ukraine. The US, if Trump or Kennedy are in office will vote against Ukraine. If this is the central issue, and it appears to be, why not sit down and resolve this issue? Ukraine is fading along the entire front line now. Russia has too many men. If Russia makes a breakthrough they could overwhelm Ukraine and the whole country could fall. US aid is not going to arrive for at least a few weeks once it is passed through congress in some form. Z sending his men to die for nothing right now, makes no sense for the long term viability of Ukraine as a nation. Putin has millions more men he can conscript. The math, just doesnt work unless the US sends so much that Ukraine can dominate the sky and send a few hundred thousand men to break through Russian defenses.

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1301

Z is going bonkers. He has a problem with Polish farmer's protests. What a tool! I think we should close the border altogether for a week or two and see what happens.

By the way, some Ukrainians in Poland should be deported to their country and go to the front lines. That would be the best way for Poland to aid Ukraine in this stage.

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1302

The US

Are you ready to put billions of dollars in aid to Ukraine in the next three to five years? And not like most of the money goes to American military complect but to put this money into Ukirnian? If not stop talking about peace because now the peace will be on Putin's terms, you can talk about peace only after Ukraine takes Krym.

To this end, they need rockest and planes and of course, they need to mobilize more men.
If Russia comes on top of that war it will be only the first stage of their aggressive policy. You can't hide from that.

Also, stop with that EU delusions, seems to me you as many Americans have this abstract view of the EU as something akin to the US, it is not anything like that and looks like it going to crumble or split or will remain half dead.

Also without NATO i.e. America in Europe only a few countries that have a vital interest in opposing Russia its Finland Sweden, Poland, and the Baltic states, all the rest of them are ( Ukraine as well but that is a diffent issue) OK with Russia and some are pro-Russia as you wouldn't belibe namly Germany and France.

So Trump mocking Germany and saying that should be attacked by Russia is wild because if anything Germany would make a deal with Russia in a heartbeat and so goes for Russia.

You need to understand the dynamics in Europe to have some notion of what you are talking about.
I don't get why American posters here have this rooted conviction that everybody in Europe just loves to have an American overlord and NATO and the US military presence.

Germnya and Frwacn positively hate it and would have you kicked out ages ago if they could. So wake up will you?
The only countries that years for that presence are those on the front line of NATO bordering with /Russia.

jon357
16 Feb 2024  #1303

Putin, prefers Biden to Trump...

He doesn't of course.

His comments were disingenuous.

billions of dollars in aid to Ukraine

Billio s now or trillions later...

don't get why American posters here have this rooted conviction that everybody in Europe just loves to have

Manifest destiny (a bit like the French). Some of them think that their system is something that others aspire to and want to emulate. Maybe there are people in the third world who do, however they forget that most of Europe is more developed than they are (and some of their boondocks are actually quite primitive).

Difficult times at Avdivka. The only plus is that Putler has wasted thousands of kilos of orc meat and over a billion in ammunition to get to the suburbs of a ruined small town.

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1304

Seems to me that the American adm is looking for Poand to give away for free more weapons including the new Korean purchases. WTF?
Biden must go!
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PolAmKrakow
16 Feb 2024  #1305

@Ironside
JP Morgan Chase, Black Rock and State Street have already signed agreements with Ukraine to fund the rebuilding. Its not the US government that will pay for it. US business is set up to profit from rebuilding. Those agreements signed at least a year ago. I have been saying all along, Joe Biden needs to go all in or get TF out.

The EU is not dead. The EU is very similar to the US in many ways as far as how it is constructed. Frankly, its not a good design and I think the same about how the US is operated currently. I have a very good idea about the EU, having lived here for six years now. I dont think the EU members all love having the US here. I think Poland, and others like having the military here, and the US is absolutely committed to Poland whether in NATO or not. Germany does not hate the US and NATO, you are delusional to think that. The German military is smaller than Polands. It is a joke. France? They are half the size of Polish military. Whats France going to do throw fvcking croissants at their enemy?

What I find hilarious is the attitudes here that somehow Europe is superior to the US, but every time Europe needs help they turn to the US. Just imagine the EU on its own against Russia. Imagine when Slovakia, Hungary, Turkey and others turn against the EU "elites", and it would happen. All the posturing of EU nations, and no one has built a military in the last 30 years to handle EU security. All the talk of mutual security agreements is fvcking hilarious. All the "we care about Ukraine" when Ukraine has been on its own for 30 years, where was the care then? Only when Russia is about to come to the EU doorstep did anyone GAF about Ukraine.

jon357
16 Feb 2024  #1306

looking for Poand to give away for free more weapons including the new Korean purchases

I doubt that will change.

And meanwhile r*SSia is bombing chemical plants in order to release toxic gases to kill Ukrainians.

They have a history of using chemical weapons so this is no surprise.

mafketis
16 Feb 2024  #1307

to release toxic gases to kill Ukrainians.

Simplest explanations are sometimes best.... russia invaded because russians like killing Ukrainians....

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1308

signed agreements with Ukraine

So what? Do you think Russia will honor those agreements? They would be only valid in the case of Ukraine being in the US zone. You talk about peace now, and that would give time for Russia to try again in Ukraine.

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The EU is very similar to the US in many ways as far as how it is constructed.

It is nothing like the US.
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Germany does not hate the US and NATO,

Look, they don't love it. If you think differently you are delusional, it was fine while the Cold War was all heated up, and Germans tolerated the US presence but after the Cold War came to an end that attitude changed for the worse, it has been over 30 years Germany does not love the US military as it is the means ttey are being keep down. They don't want an overlord anymore that is clear.

If you think that Germany is afraid of Russian invasion, think again, they are not really, they would make a deal with Russia and Russia would be glad to have such a deal with Germany and France that is for sure, The only countries that would suffer in that scenario would be those in-between.

France has its nukes. France was always stuck up, so they did not appreciate Americans looking over their shoulders and telling them what to do.

The reason Britain is involved actively in NATO defense on its easter flank is because it would rather have Europe with its diversity overshadowed by the US than face a Franco-Germany-Russian block with other European countries ruled by such a block. That would leave Britain in a rather peculiar position.

PolAmKrakow
16 Feb 2024  #1309

@Ironside
Its you who has no idea how the US works. The reason the US is battling for funding is to ensure that those corporate deals and bank finance deals actually take place. The more destruction the better for those banks. The whole war is about money for the US. No one in the US truely GAF about Ukraine. Russia honoring agreements like Ukraine honored the Minsk Accords? Fvck the whole deal making idea, all deals are always broken in one way or another. Thinking the rest of the world is innocent is pretty funny though.

The EU is similar to the US in many ways. First, each country has their own laws, like each State has their own. The EU has its laws designed to over rule countries laws like the US has national laws that over rule State laws. Free transportation and movement between EU nations, like the US has between States. The EU has its version of a congress where every nation is represented. The EU is a "democracy", the US invented democracy. The real difference is that the US does not have a national tax on goods and services, and the EU has VAT which is simply way too expensive for most EU residents.

IF the US left Germany, Germany would $hit itself. They would then beg Vlad to do business, and become no better than the ***** to Russia is was before the war. Same with France who are little socialist fvcks anyway. But the German people think differently than the German government. France isnt going to use a nuke anywhere, it is the safe haven for pu$$ies and illegal immigrants who will overthrow the government before France could even find where the button for nukes has been hiding. Britain? Britain would side with the US before any block lead by Germany and France or Russia. Common language, common traditions, and more bind them together. Not to mention, no one will ever out spend or out produce the US in military or weapons, and its always better to have that behind you then some idiots who have done nothing with their military for the last 30 years.

mafketis
16 Feb 2024  #1310

Breaking News!

Navalny dead.

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1758451927191269758

I never liked or supported him and never wanted him to be in charge of any country but his jailing and now death show what russia is.... a big prison in a swamp.

Cucker Tarlson meanwhile acts as if coin-return grocery carts are a miracle of russian know-how.....

twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1758296494602408383

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1311

It is you who has no idea how the US works.

dude, now you have lost all credibility. You don't know what you are talking about.
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Do you think I GAF about Ukraine? It is a third-world country with people who are mostly barbarians except for people from Galicia who are toxic inbreeds. In the ''90s,' they had a better state and were better economically than Poland, plus they had nukes, they managed to squander all that in the last 30 years, and at the same time they talk big like typical barbarians. So who GF about Ukraine?

The only reason I'm supporting that state is because of geopolitical issues and Russia and so on...
You need to know what you are talking about, spare me sentimental nonsense here.
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As to your view of Germany and France, you are wrong. I guess that is your Yankee blind spot. Well.

Britain would side with the US

That is what I said.

cms neuf
16 Feb 2024  #1312

That coin return cart video is surely a parody of Russell ?

RIP Navalny - coming a week after Tucker's interview it is Putler's way of insulting this pathetic cuck journalist.

What a sick society

mafketis
16 Feb 2024  #1313

What a sick society

Loser country with a loser culture.....

Here (on russian national tv) a russian colonel talks about threatening the mayor of Kupyansk....

despite surrendering the russians still killed him a few months later....

twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1758101203114741896

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1314

Why has he ever gone back? He must have known what awaited him.....

mafketis
16 Feb 2024  #1315

It will be interesting to see if there are any 'devastating consequences' for russia....

twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1758462216846676445/photo/1

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1316

let Russians worry about Russia and not about Poland, Moldova, the Baltics etc."

We cannot quit worrying about neighbours, especially when there is military presence of third party, uncontrollable by national government. So, answer to your question - no way while NATO exists and place attack weapons along borders of Russia (just like anti-missile system in Romania that need only software upgrade to launch ground attack winged missiles).

Why are we all not asking the question of why the EU and US wont simply tell Ukraine to remain neutral?

Because peace in a whole world is latest thing that "gray cardinals" of anglo/saxon/jewish "shadow world government" may want. MICC need orders. Serfs need something to fear. Serf that not fear anything starting to ask too much questions and starting to vote uncontrollably.

mafketis
16 Feb 2024  #1317

We cannot quit worrying

Cause you're pathetic losers.... just stew in your own loser juice and leave other countries alone and you'll be fine

why the EU and US wont simply tell Ukraine to remain neutral?

Ukraine tried that already and the idea died on Feb 24, 2022 why do you want to revive it?

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1318

Why has he ever gone back? He must have known what awaited him.....

Probably because he was told by some intelligence services that he had more chances to survive in a Russian prison than in the wilds. ;)

Ukraine tried that already

Ukraine is not even tried, and Merkel confirmed that it was not intended to try from the beginning.

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1319

Cause you're pathetic losers...

Hey, pathetic winners.... May be you should start from leaving, say, People Republic of Texas alone?

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1320

Navalny dead.

So I guess that fraction who were thinking about replacing Putin with Navalny had lost its struggle or changed strategy in different circumstances. It also means that the position of Putin is stronger now than it has been for a while after it took a dip since the war or a special operation happened to be a special F up operation.

Well, he got a shot at being the next ruler of Russia and in the games of the throne in Russia you either win or you die. He had the balls to try it!


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