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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9



johnny reb
16 Feb 2024  #1321

while NATO exists and place attack weapons along borders of Russia

You mean like Russia did in Cuba that took us to the brink of nuclear war.
Russia was smart enough to back off.
Too bad NATO isn't smart enough to back off Russia.

He had the balls to try it!

He was a martyr to have Putin taken out.
Any day now.

Novichok
16 Feb 2024  #1322

prefers Biden to Trump...

I prefer Biden to Trump, too. What counts is the reasons why.
Since you are a nice guy, I will give you mine ... as an extension of czym gorzej tym lepiej...So here we go:

I want Biden to continue as president to conclusively prove to the moron US voters that voting for a pos like him and his Bolsheviks has very bad consequences.

These criminals are not discredited enough yet...so we have to give them more time to tighten the noose.

jon357
16 Feb 2024  #1323

especially when there is military presence of third party

You have military in the illegally occupied part of Moldova.

It will be interesting to see if there are any 'devastating consequences' for russia

Hopefully some partisans will act very swiftly.

mafketis
16 Feb 2024  #1324

fraction who were thinking about replacing Putin with Navalny had lost its struggle

I personally think he's been dead a while (when was the last verifiable sign of life?) and they chose to publicize it now partly to humiliate Cucker Tarlson who they blame for the big interview being a flop.....

Also putain's 'not impressive' evaluation was a twist on one of Cucker's catchphrases as was the "endorsement" of Biden

russians have no honor or loyalty and will turn against those trying to help as easily as against their enemies.

jon357
16 Feb 2024  #1325

when was the last verifiable sign of life?

One of the U.K. papers had a quote from his mother who said she saw him fairly recently and that he was in good health . I suspect he was poisoned, just as they tried to novichok him before.

You're right though; any details given by the r*SSians on the date and circumstances of his death are not to be trusted.

Bobko
16 Feb 2024  #1326

and in the games of the throne in Russia you either win or you die. He had the balls to try it!

Definitely a brave man. Condolences to his wife and family.

Alien
16 Feb 2024  #1327

Condolences to his wife and family.

Putin has probably already expressed his condolences as well.

Bobko
16 Feb 2024  #1328

Putin

Made a big mistake by jailing Navalny.

Now his myth will grow, and whether Putin did it or not, he will be blamed.

If Navalny was allowed to continue being a gadfly, he'd still be in the low teens in terms of popular support. Putin would have been able to point at a credible opposition figure, when claiming democracy in Russia.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1329

Made a big mistake by jailing Navalny.

....made a big mistake by killing him!

But then....Putin did let so many of his real or imagined or possible future adversaries kill, he won't care about another one!

Bobko
16 Feb 2024  #1330

he won't care about another one

It will be difficult for a new Navalny to appear.

Navalny's image was shaped over nearly two decades, and over that period both he and Russia changed almost unrecognizably. Putin was softer and less sure of himself, then, and the opposition relatively more vibrant. While Navalny organized protest marches and corruption investigations, the Kremlin tried to derail him through fabricated charges on relatively small things.

Through those dozens of jailings, Navalny was being forged into a new person, while Putin was getting more and more bloodthirsty in parallel.

Some young follower of Navalny today, cannot repeat that path. That level of political permissiveness which allowed Navalny to emerge in the first place, is no longer there. So this young person would likely get hammered with the full power of the state, even before gaining any meaningful traction.

Poloniusz
16 Feb 2024  #1331

Now his myth will grow, and whether Putin did it or not, he will be blamed.

Maybe in Russia and in some political circles outside of Russia.

But Navalny was by and large a nobody. He was either unknown or forgotten about just like Khodorkovsky and Berezovsky.

Navalny will be dropped from the 24/7 news cycle by Monday. No one pays attention to the news over weekends anyway.

Bobko
16 Feb 2024  #1332

Navalny was by and large a nobody

He was certainly not a nobody.

Most normal people can't name more than a few heads of state, whereas Navalny was a mere opposition figure. How many national-level opposition figures enjoy worldwide fame? Very few. Maybe Aung Sang Suu Kyi, maybe Nelson Mandela, and maybe a few others.

Compared to your Western politicians, Navalny was a veritable giant. He played at the high stakes table, knowing full well the price. What you have, is a bunch of contemptible little dwarves.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1333

That level of political permissiveness which allowed Navalny to emerge in the first place, is no longer there.

Maybe so....but on the other hand it only needs a well placed window and Putin flies, purely accidentally of course, too....

The moment he really becomes dangerous to the powers in the West it doesn't need much political permissiveness, just one dedicated chess piece!

That underestimation of the western "dwarves", that weak image, is wanted, IMHO....but the West didn't came out as winner for so long for being a pussy!

jon357
16 Feb 2024  #1334

Navalny was a veritable giant

He wasn't.

He was still a r*SSist nationalist and known only because of his opposition to Putler.

And now he's been murdered like so many opposition figures over the decades (even centuries) in r*SSia.

Bobko
16 Feb 2024  #1335

western "dwarves"

Not the countries at large, and the people within. I mean your leadership.

They are forgettable, spineless types, on an eminently predictable trajectory of (1) getting into government, (2) converting that stint in public service to earn millions on a book, (3) rapidly entering the private sector to work as a gigolo for some businessman.

Alien
16 Feb 2024  #1336

needs a well placed window and Putin flies, purely accidentally of course, too....

The problem is that in a totalitarian country like russia, putin controls all the windows.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1337

I mean your leadership.

It has been the times, Bobko.....the West won the Cold War...."History had ended", remember? There was no longer a need for a strong leadership for many, many years and the West looks like it...

That has ended now!

putin controls all the windows.

He is no superhuman, and he gets older....and more paranoid....its only a matter of time!

Poloniusz
16 Feb 2024  #1338

He played at the high stakes table, knowing full well the price.

Yes, he knew what he was getting into and he lost.

If a person decides to swim among sharks and gets eaten alive no one regards them as brave. They are dismissed for being stupid. No one ever blames the sharks.

Maybe so....but on the other hand it only needs a well placed window and Putin flies, purely accidentally of course, too....

Why the ill will when he is a good goy like you?



the West didn't came out as winner for so long

The West ran out of luck decades ago. It is decadent, divided, indebted and in rapid decline.

It is only getting by on borrowed time and a lot of borrowed money which can never be repaid.

PolAmKrakow
16 Feb 2024  #1339

@Ironside
Did you live, or do you live in the US? When was the last time you spent a lengthy period of time there? Fvcking hilarious how people who arent from the US want to tell me whats going on the US. Tune in to CNBC for more inaccurate bull$hit at 6 pm.

All these great security pacts being signed. What about the one signed with Ukraine and Russia? These agreements are no better than toilet paper. Notice these are agreements and not guarantees. Germany and France, are not going to guarantee anything for Ukraine, but it sure makes for nice public relations and idiot leftists will think this means something that it doesnt.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1340

It is decadent, divided, indebted and in rapid decline.

...as it was said before the World Wars....and during the whole Cold War.....you should be more creative with your insults, it gets boring!

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1341

tried to derail him through fabricated charges on relatively small things.

But most of that things would be enough to stop career of any western politician at once.

jon357
16 Feb 2024  #1342

stop career of any western politician

In the free world, criminal charges against public figures tend not to be fabricated as they routinely are in r*SSia and among its axis of evil.

Opposition figures tend to have a longer life expectancy too.

Poloniusz
16 Feb 2024  #1343

...as it was said before the World Wars....and during the whole Cold War.....you should be more creative with your insults

Thanks for adding that Western success only came through enormous deficit spending on the military industrial complex.

And of course welfare queen states like Germany never paid their fair share so they too reaped the benefits but still went heavily into debt paying for your migrant replacements (which by the way will never lay down their lives for Germany in a fight with Russia).

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1344

....I told you, that time ends now!

Bobko
16 Feb 2024  #1345

But most of that things would be enough to stop career of any western politician at once.

We have people in government, that were part of organized crime groups in the 1990s. We have people that have participated in assassinations (albeit state-sanctioned), happily serving in government. We have people that privatized enormous state enterprises through extortion and murder, sitting in government.

It seems a selective application of laws - as they say, "For my friends everything, for the rest - the law".

Compared to these things, setting up an unnecessary intermediary between «Почта России» and Yves Rocher seems like small potatoes.

If we can tolerate Ramzan Kadyrov and Adam Delimkhanov sitting in government, we should be able to tolerate Navalny.

Poloniusz
16 Feb 2024  #1346

....I told you, that time ends now!

Dream on, dreamer.





Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1347

Germany and France, are not going to guarantee anything for Ukraine

That is what I said. What is it that you don't understand?
Ask questions and I will give you simple answers. WARNING DON'T ASK LOADED QUESTIONS, DO NOT MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS.
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Made a big mistake by jailing Navalny.

Navalny is not important, why he is an issue now?
He could have its role if the war went badly for Russia in a big way, they could use him as Putin's replacement and in this way trick people into another 'reset'. Other than that, he wasn't that important apart from some Western pro-Russian propaganda presenting him as a showcase of Russian 'democracy.

Bobko
16 Feb 2024  #1348

they could use him as Putin's replacement and in this way trick people into another 'reset'.

If you thought Putin and Navalny would have done a swap, you are perhaps a bit too cynical about the state of politics in Russia.

No, Navalny was a genuine threat.

When he was rising, it was done in the shadow of the old guard of oppositionairies - guys like Nemtsov, Kasyanov, Yavlinsky, Kasparov...

Those guys were truly a "managed opposition", and everyone understood it. Then Nemtsov was killed, and the rest scattered around the globe.

Navalny filled up the vacuum. He cemented his name when he returned to Russia after waking from his coma in Germany. This immediately earned the respect of many Russians.

Navalny was not a bystander like the other guys, but a passenger inside our car.

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1349

Seems to me that the American adm is looking for Poand to give away for free more weapons including the new Korean purchases. WTF?

Are you surprised? They are treating us as if we were some banana republic and we don't seem to mind (whether it's PiS or PO - the same thing).

Meanwhile the EU seems to be hell-bent on destroying Polish industry and farming with their eco-fascism nonsense.

I said it many times: we should get nukes asap, tell everyone to f*ck off and go neutral.

P.S. The number of brand new equipment given to Ukraine is absolutely ridiculous (100 (!) Rosomaks alone, as well as Krabs, Raks, Pioruns, Warmates etc. etc.). We might have given as much as 1/3 (one third!) of our equipment and ammo. WTF indeed.

Check this guy out, Iron...



mafketis
16 Feb 2024  #1350

Couple o' thoughts.

I'm not sure the death of Navalny was intentional.... (many assume it was timed for some special reason) but.... russia is not a place that values competence or human life and the circumstances surrounding his death may have been a result of crappy conditions in a crappy place run by crappy people....

While I'm sure his death was the goal of the government I'm just not convinced entirely that he was meant to go so soon, in a sense his life was better for the regime than his death....

Outside of russia (esp places people fled russia to) I see some protests (not terribly impressive but.... more than has happened so far. Some rememberance but the paranoid government is warning people not to protest and detaining some....

I think the value some placed on him was.... a bit speculative, people didn't necessarily expect much from him but thought maybe he could be a transitional figure to a less insane form of government.... now that illusion is gone and everybody knows that the current system is going to keep on keepin' on and citizens have no hope of having any influence on events.... many are probably happy at that prospect (I'm amazed at how many adults on the 1420 channel seem like large infants who want to be fed and taken care of told what to do....).

Supposedly patrushev is pushing his very unimpressive son to be putain's successor and if that happens I dont' expect him to last five minutes after his father is out of the picture.

What remains a mystery is why any russian thinks other people want to adopt that system of total subjugation and helplessness....


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