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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9



Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1351

I'm not sure the death of Navalny was intentional....

If not how stupid can one jail guard get....his last photo (allegedly shortly before his death) doesn't show any sickness:

reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1as886i/reportedly_the_last_photo_of_navalny_alive/

I doubt he fell out of a window....

mafketis
16 Feb 2024  #1352

how stupid can one jail guard get....

you think russian jail guards are selected on the basis of intelligence or conscientiousness?

Still I'd say 70% intentional and timed (killed rather than died) and 30% chance it was just health issues made worse by terrible conditions...

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1353

I doubt he fell out of a window...

Who cares?

As I said in "Russian views on Poland" thread, the guy supported both Russian invasion of Georgia (and made some particularly nasty comments on that) and the occupation of Crimea, and now all of a sudden he's a saint and martyr because he kicked the bucket in jail?

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1354

Na ja....you know how it goes: "The enemy of my enemy...."

They come rarely perfect and pure! But he was brave, to go back as he must have known what fate awaits him...he could have stayed in Germany, as so many of his compatriots unhappy with Putin's rule do!

Paulina
16 Feb 2024  #1355

Even those that took the drastic step of fleeing the country, are now recoiling at the barbarian Russophobia they encounter.

Really? Where? The anti-Putinist Russians living in Poland seem to like it here.

the circumstances surrounding his death may have been a result of crappy conditions in a crappy place run by crappy people....

He was sent to such a place for a reason.

Who cares?

Normal people?

the guy supported both Russian invasion of Georgia (and made some particularly nasty comments on that)

He apologised for that:

newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-evolution-of-alexey-navalnys-nationalism

jon357
16 Feb 2024  #1356

70% intentional and timed (killed rather than died) and 30% chance

I'd say similar; maybe 80-20.

They'd novichoked him before or tried to. And the timing is suspicious given the current summit in Munich.

Given that he was an extremist with neo-nationalist and conservative views, the timing may also relate to matters within r*SSia or among their axis of evil; perhaps aimed at specific individuals.

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1357

But he was brave, to go back

True. I will give him that.

However, together with Georgians, I will restrict my mourning to absolute minimum.

He apologised for that

But never changed his stance on either the invasion of Georgia or the occupation of Crimea.

Oh, well...*shrugs his shoulders*

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1358

We cannot quit worrying about neighbours, especially when there is military presence of third party

I understand it perfectly well, Veli, but there's a difference between worrying about neighbours and actually invading them; a subtle difference, admittedly, but still.

Paulina
16 Feb 2024  #1359

However, together with Georgians, I will restrict my mourning to absolute minimum.

Then I hope that, together with Ukrainians, you will also "restrict your mourning to absolute minimum" once "Bobi" and "Veli" will die :)))

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1360

I hope that

*sighs*

Have I ever mentioned that you have a unique talent for getting on my nerves? :)

once "Bobi" and "Veli" will die

I hope that both gentlemen you mention will have long and successful lives. Let's finally be a bit civilised on this cruel, ruthless, nerve-wracking board.

Besides, there's a substantial difference between Navalny and Bobi and Veli. B and V are my online pals, Navalny wasn't. So there. First things first.

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1361

a subtle difference

There is similar subtle difference between country that shelling civilians for 8 years, and country that just lay bricks in their pants after each mentioning Russia. ;) Guess, which one have a risk of invasion...

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1362

There is similar subtle difference between country that shelling civilians for 8 years, and country that just lay bricks in their pants after each mentioning Russia. ;)

Ha, ha, ha... touché. :)

Paulina
16 Feb 2024  #1363

Have I ever mentioned that you have a unique talent for getting on my nerves? :)

Awesome, I seem to be getting on the nerves of hypocrites :)))

Besides, there's a substantial difference between Navalny and Bobi and Veli. B and V are my online pals, Navalny wasn't.

That what makes you an even worse human being, imho. Normal, decent people (Poles especially) aren't pals with Putinist RuSSists who support invading RuSSia's neighbours.

There is similar subtle difference between country that shelling civilians for 8 years

There would be no shelling of any kind if RuSSia didn't invade Ukraine in 2014.

Ha, ha, ha... touché. :)

Ha, ha, ha... no.

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1364

B and V are my online pals, Navalny wasn't.

You lost nothing. I meet Navalny once in a early period of their sect building. It was complete POS from a human point of view, and I felt that I should count my fingers after a final hanshake with him.

jon357
16 Feb 2024  #1365

There would be no shelling of any kind if RuSSia didn't invade Ukraine in 2014.

This.

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1366

There would be no shelling of any kind if RuSSia didn't invade Ukraine in 2014.

Russia invaded in 2022. And it was too late as I can see now. It would be a brilliant idea to invade in 2014, make brief cleanup of freshly armed neoi-nazi gangs, and return power to elected president.

Paulina
16 Feb 2024  #1367

It was complete POS from a human point of view, and I felt that I should count my fingers after a final hanshake with him.

Considering what a liar and bullsh1tter you and other Putinists are on this forum - I wouldn't believe a word from you about Navalny or anyone else for that matter.

Russia invaded in 2022.

You see, you even lie about historical facts. RuSSia attacked Ukraine first in 2014:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1368

Russia invaded in 2022.

Oh, so in 2014 there were only Russian soldiers and Russia was holding back actually. lol!

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1369

@Paulina

You're wrong.

It was complete POS from a human point of view

People change. After all, he came back to Russia when he could have had a comfortable life in Germany, and he took his prison sentence with dignity and even some sort of peace of soul. He was most likely a Russian patriot. Anyways, I don't know awfully lot about the guy, I just think that statements like Tusk's about "never forgetting and never forgiving" are a bit theatrical.

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1370

You see, you even lie about historical facts. RuSSia attacked Ukraine first in 2014:

Wash your hands after touching this matter on Wikipedia. Cesspool is not so bad place compared to political articles on Wiki.

"Facts" and Wikipedia is usually incompatible words.

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1371

@Paulina

Awesome, I seem to be getting on the nerves of hypocrites :)))
I see Torq that you are indulging stupid self-righteous simpletons.
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Statements like Tusk's about "never forgetting and never forgiving" are a bit theatrical.

Tuskj would say anything but he always lies, so he doesn't give F one way or the other, he is just acting so you are spot on.

Paulina
16 Feb 2024  #1372

You're wrong.

About what?

I just think that statements like Tusk's about "never forgetting and never forgiving" are a bit theatrical.

I don't so. You seem to forget that Tusk himself was a political dissident under a totalitarian regime - he was an anti-communist activist during PRL times. And Solidarity at that time was a briad social movement made of people with different views. People who are at each other's throats politically these days. But back then they had a common enemy - the communist regime.

"Facts" and Wikipedia is usually incompatible words.

But that's not a "Wikipedia fact". That's reality :) RuSSia was the agressor - RuSSia started this war by attacking Ukraine and annexing Ukrainian territory. That's a fact.

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1373

I see Torq that you are indulging

Naaah. Paulina's OK, but a bit naive which is understandable in her age. We have to forgive her because she's young like chives in spring. When she gets older and wiser she will gradually begin to agree with us on everything. :)

About what?

Geez, where do I start? About pretty much everything but don't worry; give yourself time to grow in wisdom, young Jedi. ;)

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1374

That's reality :)

That's wikipedia alternate reality...

Paulina
16 Feb 2024  #1375

Paulina's OK, but a bit naive which is understandable in her age.

I'm not naive. You're simply a hypocrite.

About pretty much everything

So you're talking nonsense, OK.

That's wikipedia alternate reality...

Really? So annexation of Crimea didn't happen? lol And Putin didn't really say this? :):

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War)

"The Russian Federation initially denied that these were Russian military forces, but on 17 April 2014 Russian President Vladimir Putin finally confirmed the presence of the Russian military.[9][10] Furthermore, numerous sources, including Russian state media, have confirmed that the "little green men" were a mix of operatives from the Special Operations Forces and various other Spetsnaz GRU units."

GefreiterKania
16 Feb 2024  #1376

You're simply a hypocrite (...) you're talking nonsense

I may be a hypocrite but at least I'm talking nonsense. Ha!

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it, Paulina. :)

Paulina
16 Feb 2024  #1377

I don't so.

*I don't think so

briad social movement

*broad

Sorry for the mistakes, I was in a hurry lol

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1378

Ukrainians are acting up again. I say we should close the border for a week and see if they like it. Also, we need to deport some Ukrainians who are needed in their military.

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Sorry for the mistakes, I was in a hurry lol

Don't forget to braid your hair.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1379

Ukraine signs bilateral security deal with Germany

lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/02/16/ukraine-signs-historic-pact-with-germany_6530856_4.html

Now it gets interesting:

Volodymyr Zelensky met with Olaf Scholz in Berlin, and will sign a similar agreement with France later in the day. ...

Does that mean french nukes for Ukraine?

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1380

Now it gets interesting:

Indeed, it is interesting how Germany is going to help Ukraine, let me guess it is via Chech and Slovakian territory or air space, or around to Oddessa, seaway?

I'm quite curious how is that going to work, maybe they will parachute help from the orbit? That would be a novel way.


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