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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9



Alien
16 Feb 2024  #1381

Indeed, it is interesting how Germany is going to help Ukraine,

They will drive along the A4 motorway.

Ironside
16 Feb 2024  #1382

Motorway or highway - you are consistently inconsistent Mr. German.
will they drive in the ditch? On the Polish soil, I don't think so!

Velund
16 Feb 2024  #1383

So annexation of Crimea didn't happen?

A bit different sequence.
1. Referendum that proclaims Crimean Republic (Crimea had such right by USSR constitution, but Rada in Kiev ignored anything),
2. Petition to accept Crimea to a Russian Federation as a subject of Federation.

A bit different thing, compared to your forceful annexation.

finally confirmed the presence of the Russian military.

Russian military presence was permanent in Crimea. Navy base was there, with a lot of personnel (well within limits set by agreements signed during USSR "destruction").

Alien
16 Feb 2024  #1384

On the Polish soil, I don't think so!

They're already doing it. What kind of crap are you living in if you don't know that?

mafketis
16 Feb 2024  #1385

Crimea had such right by USSR constitution

which stopped existing in 1991....

ussian military presence was permanent in Crimea

Yet now Sevastopol is useless becasue Ukraine (without a navy) has sunk so many russian ships....

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1386

I'm quite curious how is that going to work,

Me too....there are actually only two things Ukraine could need from us, money and/or weapons!

Both are right now harder to come by than earlier....it should prove to be interesting how Scholz wants to handle that, if he has any inclination to fulfill his promises that is. But the german media is already preparing the german populace for the fact that with one president Trump Ukraine truly becomes a european matter!

Nothing is a taboo anymore, not even german nukes....

Alien
16 Feb 2024  #1387

german nukes.

Well, let's not exaggerate, there are American nukes on German soil.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1388

...genau..."american" nukes....some thinktanks and journos seem to prepare as if with Trump Europe and the US won't be friendlies anymore...

For some even a wet dream should be come true! Many of them have their roots in the west german leftist anti-US movement of the past....and it shows!

Alien
16 Feb 2024  #1389

How many weeks would it take for Germany to produce its own nuclear weapons?

Paulina
16 Feb 2024  #1390

1. Referendum that proclaims Crimean Republic (Crimea had such right by USSR constitution, but Rada in Kiev ignored anything),

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

"The referendum was illegal under the Constitution of Ukraine.[15] It is not recognized by most countries,[16] usually because of the presence of Russian forces.[17] Thirteen members of the United Nations Security Council voted in favor of a resolution declaring the referendum invalid, but Russia vetoed it and China abstained.[18][19] A United Nations General Assembly resolution was later adopted, by a vote of 100 in favor vs. 11 against with 58 abstentions, which declared the referendum invalid and affirmed Ukraine's territorial integrity.[17]"

2. Petition to accept Crimea to a Russian Federation as a subject of Federation.

Such "petitions" made on an occupied territory are invalid.

All of that - the "referendum" and the "petition" happened after the RuSSian "green men" appeared in Crimea, not before.

A bit different thing, compared to your forceful annexation.

Not at all. It was a forceful annexation - with the use of RuSSian military. It was an act of agression against another country - Ukraine.

Russian military presence was permanent in Crimea. Navy base was there, with a lot of personnel (well within limits set by agreements signed during USSR "destruction").

They were supposed to sit in their bases and not take over Ukrainian territory lol

Besides, those RuSSian "green men" weren't wearing RuSSian uniforms and at first Putin lied that they are "local people who bought guns on the internet" lol

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1391

How many weeks would it take for Germany to produce its own nuclear weapons?

.....hmmm....I would say borrowing/buying/getting gifted some from France should be faster.....hence my interest in this new security agreement between Germany, France and Ukraine!

lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/02/16/ukraine-signs-historic-pact-with-germany_6530856_4.html

With a Europe being forced to step up alot more concerning all things military french nukes will be the big elephant in the room....

...The French presidency confirmed that a security agreement would be signed on Friday evening, but did not provide any specifics on its content....

Alien
16 Feb 2024  #1392

borrowing/buying/getting gifted some from France should be faster.....

Nuclear bombs are not cars, they are not usually borrowed.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Feb 2024  #1393

....at least they are no taboo anymore....Trump isn't even president yet but he is already working!

Mr Grunwald
16 Feb 2024  #1394

I think Russia should become more focused on offering a peace treaty that Ukraine wants to accept. If Russia continues to be troublesome and only wanting full submission. Then other countries (non-U.S.A and non-Russia) should start preparing talks to provide Ukraine with nuclear weapons. Russia relocated some to Belarus while also starting aggression towards Ukraine.

It would be only fair for Ukraine to have nuclear weapons back since the it's guarantees have been broken and is currently being invaded. Maybe it will hopefully generate some motivation for peace and people becoming adults

Miloslaw
16 Feb 2024  #1395

Give Ukraine nukes is what I say..... the Russians took that capability away from them and the took advantage of the situation.

Poloniusz
16 Feb 2024  #1396

the Russians took that capability away from them

As usual, you're either lying or you simply don't know what you are talking about.

"The Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine in 1990 stated that Ukraine would not accept, acquire, or produce nuclear weapons, and its government declared on 24 October 1991 that Ukraine would be a non-nuclear-weapon state."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#:~:text=The%20Declaration%20of%20State%20Sovereignty,non%2Dnuclear%2Dweapon%20state.

Velund
17 Feb 2024  #1397

simply don't know

This is permanent state of someone here... ;)

Yes, Ukraine declared itself independent , neutral and non-nuclear state. This was agreed condition of their exit from USSR. Also, it was agreed that Russia takes all USSR debts but also receive all foreign property of USSR from other republics. Needless to say, that Russia paid all debts, but still not receive any foreign property that Ukraine held after dissolution of USSR. ;)

Constitution of Crimean Autonomous Republic within Ukrainian SSR proclaimed that in case of exiting of Ukrainian SSR from USSR, Crimean ASSR have the right to decide - will it became part of independent Ukraine, or will enter the Union as a separate subject.

A referendum on the state and legal status of Crimea was held on January 20, 1991, and the majority of the peninsula's residents supported the restoration of the region's autonomous status as a subject of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and a party to the Union Treaty. On the same day, a referendum was held in Sevastopol (which no one has ever handed over to Ukraine, unlike the rest of Crimea, and which had the status of a subject of Union subordination, on a par with Moscow and Ukraine itself). If you are interested, you can read for yourself how Kiev politicians deceived the residents of Crimea in order to ignore the result of this referendum and do not allow Crimea to enter remaining part of USSR or became independent (but NOT remain the part of Ukraine).

The entire history of Ukraine's existence is a chain of attempts to deceive, with varying degrees of success. For example, selling to Chinese investors the Motor Sich plant in Zaporozhye, which was close to bankruptcy, and then, after a shout from Washington, nationalizing it without returning the money paid to the Chinese. Sign the Minsk agreements and not even begin to implement them. Agree on peace in Istanbul, wait for the agreed withdrawal of troops from Kiev, but after Johnson's visit, hastily make a show in Bucha and refuse to sign the agreements that have already been initialed.

Velund
17 Feb 2024  #1398

After all, he came back to Russia when he could have had a comfortable life in Germany, and he took his prison sentence with dignity and even some sort of peace of soul.

Pigs also go to slaughterhouse with some dignity and maybe even peace of soul. But someone else decide who will go to butcher today, and who can eat some more master's fodder... ;) Navalny done their job, and next role that was offered to them is a "political prisoner". ;) Maybe it was also promised that this will not last long. ;)

Novichok
17 Feb 2024  #1399

should start preparing talks to provide Ukraine with nuclear weapons.

Yes, genius, we should give nukes to Mexico, Panama, and Nicaragua, too.

Torq
17 Feb 2024  #1400

Navalny done their job, and next role that was offered to them is a "political prisoner".

So you're saying he was a foreign agent. But in such case why did he support the invasion of Georgia and the occupation of Crimea? Maskirovka?

Novichok
17 Feb 2024  #1401



How the United States is Making Russia Stronger with Sanctions

Russian economy outdid the economies of all G7 countries.... in wartime...under sanctions...with a bloody tyrant at the top...killing Russians left and right...

Eat sh*it, Russia-hating azholes...

Velund
17 Feb 2024  #1402

But in such case why did he support the invasion of Georgia and the occupation of Crimea?

After critics on these events, Navalny would lose a good share of their "sectants", especially younger ones, and significantly diminish internal "protest resource"...

Novichok
17 Feb 2024  #1403

and the occupation of Crimea?

Crimea is as "occupied" as Illinois or Russia.
Syria is occupied by the US. Illegally.

Novichok
17 Feb 2024  #1404

President Joe Biden placed blame for Alexei Navalny's death squarely on Russian President Vladimir Putin

I place blame for rapes and murders committed by the 2021 through 2024 migrants squarely on American President Joe Biden.

Ironside
17 Feb 2024  #1405

What kind of crap are you living in if you don't know that?

Pull your head from your backside and you will know! If you don't know what I'm talking about you might as well shine my shoes because that is your level.

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Give Ukraine nukes is what I say...

Who is going to do that? It a political fiction.

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Navalny done their job, a

Quite that Russian paranoia, not everyone is a foreign agent, some have balls and a drive. By the way why a known foreign agent has a lot of statues in Russia i.e. Lenin?

Alien
17 Feb 2024  #1406

because that is your level.

Good morning, if you've had a good night's sleep, drink your morning coffee and don't start the day with insults. It'll do you better.

Ironside
17 Feb 2024  #1407

Good, I feel good that is why I even bother to respond to you. You stared first, don't insult my intelligence, If you have something to say, say it, that is an Internet forum.

You try to be witty, funny, and wise and it doesn't work well for you. If you don't know what I meant it is not an insult but a fact.

However I think you play coy on this forum and I don't like it.

Alien
17 Feb 2024  #1408

You stared first,

I don't think so.

jon357
17 Feb 2024  #1409

Give Ukraine nukes is what I say

Or just have some mysterious fires (very common in r*SSia) at certain of their facilities. Dropping cigarettes is dangerous.

I would say borrowing/buying/getting gifted some from France should be faster.

French weapons have kill switches in that can only be operated by the French. They would literally decide whether the weapons are duds or not when they're actually fired.

mafketis
17 Feb 2024  #1410

I withdraw my previous speculation that Navalny's death might have simply been a result of his imprisonment in inhumane conditions....

Estonia's Independence Day - Feb 24 (russia invades Ukraine)

Lithuania's Independence Day - Feb 16 (Navalny "dies")

As a special bonus:

putain's birthday - Oct. 7 (palestinians use wagner tactics.... on their own initiative?)

Second special bonus:

photographer Dmitry Markov died at the age of 42 (on the same day as Navalny)

Markov created the definitive picture of modern russia, and apparently russians think other countries want/need the same form of government as they have....


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