Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

Why do you see a problem with Western countries using their money to pay down their own debt or invest in their own people and infrastructure rather than having go to Ukraine and vanish into the bank accounts of Zelensky and his corrupt cronies?

Ukraine won't win and throwing a never ending amount of money at it won't change that.

Ukraine is not part of the EU or NATO anyway but they do have their own Foreign Legion. So why haven't you and Tacitus volunteered to fight for Zelensky if you believe defending him is such a worthy cause? There is no law in Germany preventing you from doing this.

Unless Putler goes nuclear; or his chum Rocket Man. Then it will only escalate until the planet is smouldering. One reason to deal with r*SSia while they are in a position of weakness.


Since trumpet is at 45% in the polls it needs to be addressed.

Interesting what the Kompromat is...

Why should we?

I might be forced to if Putin's troops march through Ukraine and overtake Poland....so, better throwing my money NOW into halfway far away Ukraine, seriously!

I want Trump to show us he has balls and tell neocon warmongers to go fvck themselves, get out of NATO, send the UN packing, terminate all foreign aid, close the border shut, and bring ALL US troops home to make sure the border stays shut.

Did I miss anything?


...untill the last standing Ukrainian is not standing anymore...Nice plan...

BTW, do you have a plan besides throwing more money into Ukraine?


BS. All Russian troops are in Russia to defend Russia from NATO proxies.

Yes....I hope Trump is smarter (or at least has smarter advisors)

Leaving the chessboard is and will be seen as sure sign of weakness and the US will pay for it....US weaklings won't have anylonger a voice, their needs and wants will be ignored....former allies will rethink their side they are on.

I can't imagine a president Trump being globally provoked and humiliated and not reacting at all!


Besides throwing money at our own army....nope!

Of course there has been and the blood is on Zelensky's greasy palms.

The tragic end of Gonzalo Lira: A voice silenced in Ukraine

"Gonzalo Lira, a Chilean-American war commentator known for his critical views on the Zelensky regime and Russia-Ukraine conflict, passed away on January 11, 2024, in a hospital in Kharkiv, Ukraine. Lira's death followed an eight-month imprisonment on charges of "justifying Russia's military actions in Ukraine", sparking international controversy and raising questions about freedom of speech and human rights during wartime. High-profile figures like tech mogul Elon Musk and Fox News host Tucker Carlson called for his release, bringing global attention to his case."

helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/24744-the-tragic-end-of-gonzalo-lira-a-voice-silenced-in-ukraine.html

Poland needs to close the border with Ukraine for any agricultural produce they send to Poland. That should be done by the Polish government regardless of criminal and illegal EU commission policy.

Such a policy is harmful to the whole farming section of the EU and Polish farmers in particular.
Ten top firms from Ukraine selling exports of agricultural produce (except for one which is American) belong to the Ukrainian oligarchy and they do not pay taxes in Ukraine.

Also, a large contingent of Ukrainian men in Poland should be deported to the Ukrainian military.
Poland spent on Ukriniaina 3,5 billion-plus took over two million refugees most of whom were paid by the Polish taxpayers, Poland sent oil -cheaper to Ukrinianei and electricity, not to mention modern Polish military equipment on top of it all that was sent in the first years of the war. Military training is also provided in Poland for Ukrainian troops.

Enough is enough.
By the way, Germany is nicely repositioning itself as those who will be rebuilding Ukraine and reaping the fruits of the trees they have not planted. Whatever.

The quality of grains and pesticides used in Ukraine is for the most part allowed and would be banned by the EU in normal circumstances, somehow Brussels is all right with poisonous crap that is sent to Poland.

Also, the EU Commission and all the institutions as well as Germany and France are strangely appreciative and quiet while Tusk breaks all the constitutional rules and behaves like a criminal thug.

At the same time, Moscow stopped sending so-called migrants on the Polish Belorsusn borders, there is quiet there.
Is that a coincidence that the Berlin the EU and Moscow act in concert?

What exactly is he doing?


That would be a great possibility for Poland to gain influence and show leadership....but yes, it would cost Poland!

So...your decision, not only demanding but also delivering and earning!

(And Germany would be grateful, for sure!)

Please, do...starting now...Be proud and send the Americans home.
.


We have been paying and paying and all we got is a 34 trillion debt nobody in Europe will help pay off.
How about the Marshall Plan for the US, the dumbest world cop ever...Don't you have some sympathy for the people who lost their minds and developed a serious case of the messiah complex?

Ach was, the about 35.000 USian personnel are welcomed here....a steady source of income for german merchants and what not!


I totally feel you....but the thing is, the reality gets even more expensive by the day....and it will be alot worse before it can become better!

After the end of the Cold War we got spoiled by a few very easy decades....that has ended now!

Biden offered prime time Russian TV slot
Journalist Dmitry Kiselyov wants to sit down with the US President to get his take on how to stabilize ties between the two nations

That was cruel, Dmitry...almost elder abuse...Biden being interviewed live on TV...hahahahahahahahahaha...without advance copy and his hateful wife to tell him when to nod and smile...

look, my baby, you are a newborn dude I suppose being in this world for a very short while and not knowing its ways. So, you need to know that Russians will not have a peaceful solution or an end to the war but only on their conditions. Otherwise, you will have either a fake peace that is a few years break that will allow Russia to come back for more or such a peace that would mean Russian victory.

Also, a Russian victory will not break the peace or provide a long-term solution because it would mean that Russia will get greedy for more.

----
At the same time, I would worry less about Ukraine and American involvement in it and more about the sneaky ways Dems are using courts and the American legal system to wear Trump down and prevent him from becoming the next president of the US.

I hope you are not sitting on the sideway watching the show with your hands in your pockets.

Define "more".

He actively cooperated with and supported an invading force,

Had a chance to leave and didn't take it

Violated conditions of bail....

You think he deserved a marshmallow parade with unicorns and lollipops?

He's a great example of FAFO

Germany has it by buying off the Ukrainska oligarchy and paying partly with an accent to the EU market for their agricultural produce.
----


Many things, acting without legal procedures or against the law.
---


You are a moron or a Russian/Chinese agent.

A total demilitarization of Ukraine is a necessary component.

The only way, that I can imagine Russia leaving some rump Ukrainian state to exist in peace, is if it does not represent a threat to Russia.

If some 25-30M Ukrainians remain in the "independent" Ukraine after a peace deal, and are then over the years pumped full of NATO weapons - how can we tolerate that?

We will then have to attack again, and the West will blame us for "breaking all agreements" and sanction us for the millionth time.

The only way forward is Ukraine becoming neutral and demilitarized. We can build several military bases in Ukraine along its borders with Romania, Poland, Slovakia, and Hungary to protect them from a potential invasion originating in those states.

The demilitarisation of r*SSia is of course a greater priority.

Unrealistic, when you give a man the offer of living under the condition of cutting his tongue, balls and not using his dick to pee without asking for permission first. Don't get surprised he starts shooting at you.

Seems like Ottomons Empire is goal of Russia? Oh no sorry. "Roman Empire" Russian style was it? -.-

I love how russians always end up reinforcing and magnifying my most russophobic posts....

Meanwhile in the loser country of russia.... police mistake a picture of Michael Scott for murdured putain foe navalny

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1759245272633274687

And putain @szlikker solovyov doesn't like Julia Davis letting some westerners in on russia-internal propaganda... apparently he wants them dumb like novi who believes RT (a hilarious idea).

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1759264870623490396

Ukraine has only two neighbors - EU and Russia.

If it has a peace treaty with Russia, who does it need its military for?

What is this penis urinating on, specifically?

Cause russians are liars devoid of honor who break every agreement they ever make?

Cause russians have a record hundreds of years long of trying to eliminate Ukraine and Ukrainians?

Who would ever trust you? You have no regard for truth or anything but stealing and violence....

russia - loser country

Ukraine - country tying to free itself of parasitic losers

simple as....

That was what the West said as Kiew should do away with its nukes....that was why Germany neglected it's army...why it thought it smart to become dependent on russian energy...etc....

I doubt anyone in Europe wants to repeat the same errors! It will take another generation for Russia to become trustworthy again.

Russians are simpletons that get screwed by the West every time they try to tango.

Have you seen Bismarck's quote on dealing with Russians? An exquisite articulation of FAFO:

"Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. The Russian has always come for his money. And when they come - do not rely on an agreement signed by you, they are supposed to justify. It is not worth the paper it is written on. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or not to play at all."

We really are orcs, so best not to be clever with us.

What about a new great wall along the internationally recognized borders of the russian federation. You stay in and we stay out.

Works for me.....

Right....so, peace treaty or not....if Russia wants a country to demilitarize it will have to do it itself!

@Bobko
Every functioning state needs a military to even feel safer. Even if it's 99% ceremonial and only 1 soldier carrying sharp ammunition.

Luxembourg has it's own army, one of the few armies that increased without losses during a war.

Proposing eastern Ukraine to be monitored by UN - Forces friendly towards Russia (like Indian+Chinese contingent? I don't know)

And have Eastern Ukraine demilitarised by both Ukraine and Russia until a peace treaty has been created is by far more realistic.

How about a Great Wall around the West, to keep all the ideas destructive to family values, decency, and filial piety confined to your decaying carcass?

Great!!!! Sign me up!!!!! When are you leaving the decaying west again?

Thanks, you have gained a lot of credibility in my eyes with your honest post. Yes, I am aware of that bet seems to me that some American plebs are clueless.

----


Possibly, however, I'm not sure that Germany won't try it again while rebuilding their army of course.
By the way, you are being very cryptic as if the Polish-German alliance was only dependent on Poland's acts. When it is quite the opposite.

---


lol1 What a twist, you are victims again, poor poor Russians have hard done by...By the way, I have asked your fellow Russian who accused Navalny of being an agent presumably for the CIA, why in this case there are statues of another proven this time foreign agent ( German agent) Lenin doted all over Russia.

---


Don't even mention that den of money laundering thugs, they should be invaded, cheeky bastards.

A proof positive that I am dealing with morons here...Never comment on a post...Always get personal...


Bullsh*it! Every state needs an American army to feel safer.
If Luxembourg dissolved its army, it would not be any less safe from Russia.


So it's Russia's fault that German government acted like idiots?
Or was it simply greed and reallocation of money to commerce and "social services" while "stupid" Americans stood guard?