Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

9/11 wasn't enough?

No USian should travel abroad anymore as they were hunted by terrorists, safe in the knowledge that there will be no retribution...sanctions, boycotts..it will become hard to sell and buy for US business when it's enemies build new blocs....life generally will become alot more dangerous and difficult and expensive...I don't have all the answers yet, but I'm sure they are gonna hurt you, hurt you bad, knowing where it hurts the most...

And a toothless US, without much influence, allies or even abilities left, will just have to endure!

OK. Connect NATO and the US bases all over the globe with 9/11. I have time...

....oh don't play stupid....you are smarter than that!

Al-Quaeda was one puppet on a string by the enemies of the West, of the US of many....and it would today even still exist and kill if the US had had no allies, no bases, no connections, no international support and no means to root them out in their homes, in their gutters where they hid...

They have found ways to hurt the mighty super power USA, they can repeat that whenever they want to again...they are only waiting for their next chances, especially if the US is weakening itself needlessly through isolation...

You either kill them in their 'stans, or they kill you in your home...your decision!

1. They multiply faster than you can kill them.
2. They kill us because we are there. We are there because they kill us. Look up "circular logic".
3. Don't be there and they will not kill us there. Don't let them in and they will not kill us here.
4. Make cockpits inaccessible to Muslims with box cutters.

No need for NATO since NATO didn't prevent 9/11. Our stupidity gave us 9/11.

Now that sounds like some pacifist..."When we lay down our weapons there will be peace!"

Yes, that thinking had many friends in Europe, hence our neglecting of our defenses...till Russia marched into Ukraine....also in Israel, they withdrew totally from Gaza and left the Palis to themselves...then the massacres happened...the world, our enemies, just don't work that way!

Repeating these errors, believing that we are somehow to blame for their attacks against us, would truly prove our stupidity!

NATO doesn't help against terrorists, true....but it makes sure there will be no wholesale destruction by a nuclear power, pushing the button, knowing it can survive an attack on our countries....it secured the big peace at least, that is something, I would say....

So why did you mention it and terrorists? Both are self-inflicted by the idiocy of open borders and allowing every azhole with a passport to get in as a "tourist" or a "student".

Yes, I know, ...civil rights...don't be a xenophobe...

I allow only those on my very short approved list into my house. Yes, I am a racist and a xenophobe...No riots, not murders, not even one rape where I live.

Yeah...this open-borders thing will surely handled differently in the times to come....some even say "globalism" has come to it's end.

But terrorists shall find always a way to their target....to hope that they can be always discovered in time shall be futile!

My point actually was that these our enemies will always exist and trying to hurt us...besides total submission, that is!

Are you ready for it?

...made a lot easier when aided by the US Congress, Border Patrol, and the president.

....not worse than what we in Germany do...we practically invite terrorists and pay them and treat them with super soft gloves!

Can't wait for another gov to change that!

Don't you dare to send them to Poland? We have had enough of your concentration camps from WWII that seem to be ours now, we don't need other camps for reused African migrants from Germany.

Dammit! There goes that idea....

*grumbles and takes helmet*

Maybe.... but who would flunky tell? There's no free media in russia (and most russians wouldn't care).....

For all your supposed russophilia you don't seem to understand the country very well.

First, the CIA. Then, CNN and the rest of the world...an instant celebrity in a witness protection program.
Russians are still free to leave. PF Russia haters said so many times with glee...

Now...Why would P want N dead?

if he can get out of russia... how will he do that?


because he spoils the myth that putain is universally loved and admired.... even pro-putain russians admitted the last election results were fake (not that he didn't win but that the margin was vastly exaggerated for propaganda).

the dream of the russian government is total control (Margarita Simonyan is famous for propagating that).

putain wants an alienated, apolitical population that has no beliefs or convictions or values..... they listen to what the government tells them to do and they do it without thinking (that's the russian dream).

He already did.
Why kill him now and in a way that creates witnesses?

Why did stalin kill so many people?

Who does any deranged dictator kill people?

We're diverging from russian politicians and getting into the neighboring field of neurotic and paranoid mental conditions.....

Nothing putain does makes sense to a person who is reasonably mentally healthy

Lots of reasons

To embarrass Tucker
To stop dissent
To distract from another ship lost to cheap drones

Katyn, the Gulag, the purges, Salisbury, Prighozins plane - they all had plenty of witnesses, Udmurtian's probably don't care and any witness who does decide to blab would also be killed

The russian government could open up a death camp in the middle of Moscow and ship in 500 people a day and russians wouldn't care.... they'd look at the ground and shrug and maybe hope today wasn't their day.....

NATO has no connection to 9/11 at all.


Agreed 100%.


Same in Britain,France and the USA.....totally nuts!!!


Because he was the biggest threat to his leadership.


Because he is an increasingly desperate lunatic.


They are insane Russians.......we can't even begin to comprehend how they think.

The US needs NATO as I need AIDS.

...in a Siberian gulag, in a cage, surrounded by armed guards, with no phone or internet....sure...Putin was shaking in his boots... or Gucci shoes...and that's why he ordered N killed and then all those who carried his order to the gulag and anyone who was told about Putin's order...

Watching too many 007 movies has a very deleterious effect on the brain...

A guy with 80% approval ratings doesn't have to kill anyone.

A guy with 35% approval ratings has to throw his opponent into a slammer for life...

EU has essentially allowed Ukraine into the single market without proper standards or a transition period. Food that is sprayed with poisons banned in the EU, produced on mega farms is being allowed into EU without any inspections or quotas. At the expense of the European farmers to satisfy these multinational agribusinesses that have their tentacles in Ukraine.

Some deep reading into the Ukrainian agricultural sector.
oaklandinstitute.org/sites/oaklandinstitute.org/files/takeover-ukraine-agricultural-land.pdf

And the EU had a hissy fit at U.K over the same thing (products from USA ie chlorinated chicken) being allowed into Ireland during Brexit negotations . The hypocrisy!

Down with Brussels! Let the migrants burn it into the ground!

"With 33 million hectares of arable land, Ukraine has large swaths of the most fertile farmland in the world. Misguided privatization and corrupt governance since the early 1990s have concentrated land in the hands of a new oligarchic class. Around 4.3 million hectares are under large-scale agriculture, with the bulk, three million hectares, in the hands of just a dozen large agribusiness firms.

In addition, according to the government, about five million hectares - the size of two Crimea - have been "stolen" by private interests from the state of Ukraine.3

The total amount of land controlled by oligarchs, corrupt individuals, and large agribusinesses is thus over nine million hectares, exceeding
28 percent of the country's arable land. The rest is used by over eight million Ukrainian farmers.4

The largest landholders are a mix of oligarchs and a variety of foreign interests - mostly European and North American, including a US-based private equity fund and the sovereign fund of Saudi Arabia. All but one of the ten largest landholding firms are registered overseas, mainly in tax havens such as Cyprus or Luxembourg. Even when run and still largely controlled by an oligarch founder, a number of firms have gone public with Western banks and investment funds now controlling a significant amount of their shares."

...and this is why the US is risking a war with Russia?????? Is somebody fvcking nuts out there?????

Key Donbass city of Avdeevka liberated - Moscow
With Ukrainian forces routed, Russian soldiers are clearing the last pockets of resistance from the city

That's a damn lie - PF military experts

Russian forces have "completely captured" the city of Avdeevka, the Russian Defense Ministry announced on Saturday. Some 1,500 Ukrainian troops were killed as they retreated, leaving their weapons and equipment behind, the ministry said.

Sad but irrelevant...Their wives would not be coming back anyway...They like their new "freedom and democracy" more elsewhere...

They'd be queuing up to work there. Plenty of bribery opportunities.

Probably...... and Cucker and Novi would marvel at how smoothly it operated.... Bobko would imagine it's a marvel of russian know-how and velund would say it's a proto-type for Poland.

Yes, of course, every country can be hit at some point. The US is more vulnerable now than ever with its open border. All of the military aged men from south america loading up in major cities, and all the gang members flowing into the country. Probably a good amount of terrorists. So something is likely to happen.

Now imagine if something happens. The US goes and takes care of business once again. As it always does. Still, no other country on earth going to send landing craft to US beaches. Not ever going to happen. Just like no one is going to invade Russia. The US and Russia know these things. Neither country wants to fight the other directly. So we have Ukraine.

Russia is circumventing all these sanctions with oil exports and a shadow shipping fleet. They are exporting millions of dollars worth of gold through Turkey to Saudi Arabia, and they will continue to do this. Sanctions have done nothing since ways around them have been found. The same way the US could do if they were isolated. So when people say the US needs Europe, its really not based on any facts. Russia lost Europe and the average Russian is doing just fine. If anything Putin showed the US they could be fine on their own too and how to do it.

It is time to end this war and stop people from dying for nothing. Putin is ready to talk, yet Z holds a hard line. That is not leadership, that is stupidity.

Yep, I don't see the end game, It'll just be a stalemate at best at the cost of lives. The magical dreams and fantasies of two or three of the posters here will never be realised. Russia will not collapse or be defeated if for the only reason that China will never allow that to happen. They don't need to annex parts of Russia they are already slowly gaining control of those territories economically. Time for negotiations, and yes sometimes you do have to negotiate with the devil, Genghis Khan, Netanyahu whooever.

Unless the real reason for continuing the war is to deplete the russian army?, keep pouring money into the arms industry and make the big bucks etc?, an excuse to federalise Europe and create it's own army? Depopulate Ukraine and send the migrants there?

Well maybe we are due for another 30 year war? the last one was in 1618.

Sanctions are having serious effects - stop with the Udmurtian drivel

Just read a well sourced article in the FT on Gazprom's collapsed profits and cash flow - Udmurtian gas supplies to Europe have been largely and permanently replaced and sales to China and India can never compensate because they don't pay market rates and they don't pay on time.

There is no sense talking to Putler - he just proved that by killing Navalny. Who would step in a room with him now ?

That seems to have been the strategy from day one and it's working. It's the long game.


The big bucks for hedge funds are good, the well paid and strongly unionised jobs for skilled workers are even better. Every pound/dollar/złoty a worker earns is one they have to spend on their families, in local shops, on weed or on snickers. A good thing.

War has ever been thus.