Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

They don't have the cash to pay for the training etc. also most of the people that wanted to fight are kinda dead.

Despite everything, I still remember him from the beginning of this war. Another president would have fled on the first plane to some Western country, but he stayed and Ukraine still exists. Only thanks to him.

If they want to spend their gold like that then there is not much we can do to stop them. Doesn't seem the best use of your natural wealth - pay it over to buy missiles from Islamic fundamentalists to fire at teachers at doctors in the hope they will want to be Udmurtians because of 9th century history.

Of course in the future when they have crashed the gold price and exhausted their reserves then they will blame that on America.

If sanctions aren't working then they must be made tougher - that is happening already

They must.

This is not a time to waver.

@amiga500
I think if Z told the US he wouold mobilize a half million men, the US would find that 60 billion dollars pretty quickly.

@Alien
He was a good motivational speaker in the beginning. Now though, he is needlessly sending men to die. He is simply not good for Ukraine, and negotiations need to begin before Russia completely breaks the line of contact. If that happens, Ukraine does not have the men or equipment to hold them off and they could take the whole country. Former US defense secretary is saying Russia has broken the stalemate and could roll through Ukraine in the summer. That is a problem for Poland.

Sanctions are just not working. Too many ways around them from gold to crypto. Russia has too many other countries it can make deals with. Notice how quiet things have been regarding China lately? Xi is just sitting back watching all of this and waiting to make a move.

Aren't the use of gold and crypto rather indicators that sanctions are having an effect ?

Nonetheless they can and will be improved. That's how we roll in the West - if something doesn't work we find out why and take steps to fix it.

In Udmurtia when something doesn't work, the governing classes look for someone to send to prison and find a way to steal. The population say "oh well" and make a few bitter jokes over their sprats

problem is guv, it'll destroy europe as well, ban gas, aluminum, and fertilisers from russia? turn out the lights then. They already banned oil imports, now europe is just buying refined russian oil from india instead, lolzo what a farce.

But in the meantime we are looking for alternative suppliers, alternative energies, reducing demand etc

Do you think it is a good idea for Europe to just shrug and accept permanent energy dependence on Nazi dictators, corrupt Third worlders and crazy Islamists ?

@cms neuf
Not really. Using gold and crypto is pretty smart. The US largely drives the value of both, so as those values go up, the US is helping Russia. I bought bitcoin at 22K, did nothing and now its 52K. Russia has a lot of bitcoin. I started buying gold in my 20's at $400 an ounce. Did nothing but keep it in a safe and now over 2K. Everything the US does driving inflation is helping Russia get more for their assets on alternative markets. They have so much gold in the ground if they ever run out they will switch to diamonds.

what type of negotiations?

I want to hear concrete proposals that russia hasn't already rejected.

Let's hear it....

And let's hear about enforcement. What happens when russia (inevitably) goes back on its word?

I am glad to hear that Udmurtia has a lot of Bitcoin

- if they have actually spent their citizens taxes on buying this moon on a stick that is an awesome accident waiting to happen (and come the day, it will obviously mean a few poor saps being executed for buying it)

@cms neuf
Moon on a stick? I dont think so. Crypto is the future, though most of us wont be around to see how big it becomes. I remember when people thought the internet was just for fun, and cell phones were the size of a book.

@mafketis
Europe will have to make guarantees, not security agreements. Nothing will stop Russia in the future if it wants to break a deal, but they would think twice about having to fight all of the EU. Maybe it keeps them in check, maybe not, but it at least buys Europe time.

What happens if Russia breaks through? What if they start taking more land? Will the stop at Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea when they have a chance to roll into Kiev? Living in Poland are we all willing to risk that happening and have Russia on the southern border too? At some point this becomes less about Ukraine for those of us living here and more about how do we manage things. $hitty position? Yeah, but thats life.

It would send a message to the world: If you depend on the US as an ally.... you'll lose.

It would send a message to the world: If you want land.... invade a weaker neighbor.... the US won't do anything!

What I've heard is that Ukraine will self-destruct before coming under russian control and everyone in other countries will regret it.....

@mafketis
And that is the problem. This is not the US responsibility. It is Europe's responsibility. Europe should have been building a military for the last 30 years and it didnt. If Ukraine holds on to the position of fighting to the last man, that is a real lack of intelligence. Leaders protect their people, they do not put them in harms way when its not needed. Saving lives is much more important than saving face. BTW, the US has zero security agreements with Ukraine.

You know what's happened everywhere that the russians have taken... torture, rape, killings, concentration ("filtration") camps.... russian victory means far more deaths than continuing to fight.


Budapest memorandum and other US pressure to dissarm (and refusal by administrations before Trump) to sell arms....

And again the message to the world is "believe the US government and you'll regret it".


russian victory will not save any lives... and will hasten China taking Taiwan and Azerbaijan completing Ataturk's planned genocide of Armenians.

And again... yeah, russia has nukes, big deal so does Ukraine.....

It's a good job that we've got hydrocarbons in the North Sea and in North Africa.

And of course the push to net zero has been hastened by war.


It would be a Masada. And one involving nasty winds blowing from Zaporizhia and Chernobyl.

People can only be pushed so far before they break and Ukrainians are as konkretny as concrete.

Managing a hostile population is an unwinnable situation....it will end all big dreams for Russia....not to mention decades of heavy losses and trauma!

Germans know this....USians know this.....after Afghanistan one thought even modern Russians learned that....and I'm not even speaking of an ukrainian resistance supported with goods and money by the West....

A walk in the catastrophe, wo with some brain cells left would that declare as a victory?

Poles don't know this and think that Russia wants to invade Poland. Sure...the most anti-Russian nation on earth...

Every Russian just dreams about occupying Poland...

That was sarcasm.


Then go and fight.

Russia is not a threat to the US. As PAK said...Russia is your problem...so FO...

Of course it does. Imperial Russia has to conquer others to survive.


No, only those who support the current war and Putin. Roughly, about 70% of the whole population. So not everybody.

Europe is destroying itself by forcing green policies, and by opening borders to produce from outside the EU. Oil is not a problem here,

They're exceptionally clear and consistent about this on russian state media.... of course if you're a gullible westerner who believes RT is somehow an authority then you're liable to believe what they tell you, special western snowflake, rather than what they tell each other.

...yes, morons. because Russia lacks natural resources - especially land...and Polish technology that allowed Poland to put a man into orbit and make the fastest fighter planes...

That Polish Pig-25 needs more work...it seems...

@mafketis
The Budapest Memorandum is not a security guarantee. The latest agreements with France, Germany and Ukraine are not guarantee's either. They are just agreements to help in the future, no commitment of manpower. In other words, really cute PR in a time of war and otherwise worthless.

Ukraine fighting to the last man....blowing up nuclear power plants or having accidents or whatever should make all of Poland and Europe very worried. All the more reason to start peace talks. Russia is not giving up the land they have, and if things dont happen quickly, they will have more.

And why is that? Do you believe Russia will stop attacking other countries after it gets what it wants from Ukraine?

They already gave up lots of the land they conquered

What peace proposals do you suggest ? If Udmurtia wants regime change and subjugation of Ukraine then they have to win the war first. It's unlikely they will risk their stone age Air Force and a ground offensive will not get across the Dnepr.

....when Ukraine in a last desperate try blows up power plants? Good luck with that land....and yes, the world will blame Russia for that!

No, you are a moron because it is not your skin in the game, it is easy to be a hero when possible fallout won't affect you at all.

Jebać Noviego! hahahaha


Exactly, it won`t and the Kremlin is clearly intent on recapturing all the lands which the USSR controlled. Polam is very naive......

@Lenka
I dont believe Russia will attack anyone else in the next 8 to 10 years. And the EU fvcked up by not building a military over the last 30 years. Whos fault is that?

@cms neuf
You might want to get updated. Russia is advancing along the whole fron line of contact and is taking land back that it lost last summer. Ukraine is not doing well at all now. Everyone here has been guessing and betting against Russia, myself included, and Russia is not backing down. They will out man and out bomb Ukraine for as long as it takes. Time for everyone to get realistic.

Thank you sir for being so benevolent and giving us 10 years of peace!!! You are so generous, indeed.!!!!

Don`t be naive, 8 or 10 years pass very quickly. And then there is another war. Will you again advise surrender??? What got into you?? Were you on drugs 2 years ago when you played a war hawk here and now you gave them up so you turned into a dove??