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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9



amiga500
1 Mar 2024  #2221

Anyway you keep saying ruskis are born liars and cannot be trusted, yet you claim what the vodka addled Medyedev/ russian media propaganda says is the absolute truth to their future intentions.. So which is it?

mafketis
1 Mar 2024  #2222

Medyedev/ russian media propaganda says is the absolute truth to their future intentions.. So which is it?

In other words.... how do you discern truth within an elaborate web of falsehood (aka 'russian world')?

Short answer: patterns and congruence (harmony between the liinguistic and non-linguistic aspects of a message).

And I never said/wrote "absolute truth"....

Why does Medvedev say crazy things? Because he wants to stay alive and that depends on being seen as undesirable by the west.

What about the content of the crazy things? Notice he never 'threatens' to deprive other countries of their russian populations.... they've got more than enough room and more than enough money to relocate the entire russian population of the Baltics back to their homeland in fine style.... why do they never talk about this? He doesn't tell the exact, literal truth but the meta-message is very consistent.

What does russian state media say (what are the leitmotifs? the constants?) the details differ over time (and the surface is most often made up of lies) but the underlying message is the same - "we're too small, everybody's against us, we're better than them, we have to strike them before they strike us"

Do the math, throw away the mainstream media (esp in censored Australia).

Here's a nice video by Vlad Vexler (born in the USSR) on putain's speech yesterday... a nice introduction in how to interpret the vast gap between russian messages and reality.

(nb I have a broad selection of non-mainstream sources, not all of which have I shared here).

youtube.com/watch?v=Z6bmkS7H5Es

amiga500
1 Mar 2024  #2223

What does russian state media say

The russian state media presents two extremes sides, ie ukraine is ruled by nazis, ukraine is rulled by jews and gays so that the masses stop believing in an objective truth and becomes apathetic. It has nothing to do with what the russian elites think or how they will act in the future. A message for the sheep that the people at the top take little notice of.

Here's a nice video by Vlad Vexler (born in the USSR)

A philosophy graduate who previously marketed his services as a 'life coach' and made culture war videos on his dead youtube channel. The war saved him and somehow he is an authority on russia. How would a philosopher living in england for 20+ years know the motivations of putin and the people around him I'll never know. Granted, he has a pleasant if meandering discourse that he applies to Russia, but it's not based on geopolitics or political sociology but his philosophical framework. If you already have a hypothesis before rationally examining the situation, you can claim anything. I'm sure he's worth listening to about Neichze and Sarte tho.

Also, he's creating a slight 'guru' vibe with his mainly high school/early 20s audience, prob wants to be like Jordan Peterson. Note his constant critiques on Zeihan.

jon357
1 Mar 2024  #2224

note that the current front lines are less than a "pyrrhic victory"

Far less than that although the family members of the 250,000 dead orcs would like to pretend it is.

And now we're moving into the rasputitsa when r*SAia cannot advance by land.

Why does Medvedev say crazy things?

I doubt he has the password to his own twitter feed. He is used as a PR tool, basically as Putler's fool.

gradual sanctions relief

That won't happen, however much Schulz would like cheap oil.

mafketis
1 Mar 2024  #2225

It has nothing to do with what the russian elites think or how they will act in the future

Back in early 2022 which was a better guide predicting russian actions... what official spokespeople said "We're not going to invade" or the meta message of russian state media "Ukraine is a memance to russian existence and it has to be eliminated"?

Meta-message....

He is used as a PR tool, basically as Putler's fool.

Galeev thinks that until/unless an official successor it would be Medvedev (once annointed by putain and still alive....)

Not sure if I agree and am more likely to believe reports that Patrushev is doing eveyrthing he can to get his son into that position...

jon357
1 Mar 2024  #2226

an official successor it would be Medvedev

He'd be a placeholder for a while perhaps. While the rest scheme and murder.

mafketis
1 Mar 2024  #2227

Meanwhile.... navalny was so much not a threat to putain that hundreds of riot police are pouring into the area where the funeral is to take place along with buses for detainees and students from three unviersities have been forbidden to attend....

Retarded loser culture.... who in their right mind wants to be part of that?

twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1763486254748848252

PolAmKrakow
1 Mar 2024  #2228

@mafketis
Move Russians back to Russia? Isn't this like saying the US should move all blacks back to Africa? That was actually tried rather unsuccessfully.

While Russia does not completely control D and L, they do control C. In a negotiated peace, it could be that D and L have their lines redrawn to be smaller geographically representing the lines of contact or something like that. That said, each day that passes, Russia is gaining more ground. Ukraine still not mobilizing, and I did not know this but 18 to 26 year old Ukraine men are not eligible to be mobilized but they can volunteer. So, Ukraine takes the largest group of most able bodied men in Ukraine and makes them exempt. This does explain why so many are in Krakow, although it does not explain how they got out of Ukraine when the border is allegedly closed. A fortune being made smuggling men out of Ukraine these days. And just when another Ukraine military fraud scheme has been uncovered.

mafketis
1 Mar 2024  #2229

ussia does not completely control D and L,

What about 3 and X?

PolAmKrakow
1 Mar 2024  #2230

@mafketis
X3 or (x)x(x)x(x) now that we are done with the algebra lessons for the day, lets get back on topic.

Ukraine is losing more ground, and more men daily. German refuses to send Taurus missiles, and the CIA found a 4 billion accounting error they may use to send existing stores of artilery to Ukraine and then there will be no more money for the US to replenish its own stocks.

Ironside
1 Mar 2024  #2231

A fortune is being made smuggling men out of Ukraine these days.

According to the Polish police, the procedure is done by Ukrainians and Georgians.

amiga500
1 Mar 2024  #2232

Back in early 2022 which was a better guide predicting russian actions.

Neither. It was the mobile blood banks being brought to the frontline where the 'training excercises' were happening. (a week or two b4 the invasion) That's when the military dudes with combat experience were saying yeah this is thing is about to go hot. Read it on two forums at the time. Not the international relations experts, the generals who have never left a desk or the various academic youtube/twitter know it alls.

amiga500
1 Mar 2024  #2233

I don't think some non-literal meta analysis of Russian mass media compares to the facts on the ground, and a realist view of geopolitics/geostrategy. ie competition between nuclear powers fighting over a buffer state.

Bratwurst Boy
1 Mar 2024  #2234

German refuses to send Taurus missiles,

And as it looks now Scholz draws the line right here:

....​
One thing was always particularly important to Scholz when supporting Ukraine: German weapons should only be used on Ukrainian territory, not on Russian territory. At the beginning of 2023, Scholz said that he had reached a "consensus" on this with Ukrainian President Zelensky. In fact, Ukrainians adhere to it. No German self-propelled howitzer or rocket launcher has ever fired across the border.

Ukrainian government representatives assure in confidential discussions that this would also apply to the Taurus. But such assurances are apparently not enough for the Chancellor; he sets stricter standards for the Taurus. If the weapon is fired from a fighter jet, it races towards the target at a low altitude and is difficult to detect by radar systems, rises, impacts, detonates the first explosive device and then another. The Taurus is not a silver bullet, but its destructive capabilities are enormous.

Some strategists are now drawing a bleak scenario. The Taurus can impact buildings more than 500 kilometers away. So he could fly from the northeast Ukrainian border to Moscow, to Red Square. To the power center. What if Ukrainians feel so pressured that they decide to enter the Kremlin coordinates?This could only be ruled out if the Bundeswehr retained control over the programming. But this would require a mandate from the Bundestag. If that were the case, Germany would officially be a party to the war.....


....from SPIEGEL today (google translated)

spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-olaf-scholz-als-friedenskanzler-warum-er-die-taurus-waffe-nicht-liefert-a-585e95c6-f91d-45d0-b380-e876d55f314d

Novichok
1 Mar 2024  #2235

when r*SAia cannot advance by land.

If you pull your head out of your ass you will be able to spell Russia correctly.

the 250,000 dead orcs

I will donate 100 bucks to a faggot charity of your choice if you send me your death certificate.

jon357
1 Mar 2024  #2236

Scholz draws the line right here:

Or even openly discusses other countries' confidential intelligence matters by saying who is doing what.

He should send his 'Taurus' missiles.

Bratwurst Boy
1 Mar 2024  #2237

Or even openly discusses other countries' confidential intelligence matters by saying who is doing what.

Yeah....he is isolating himself and with that Germany even more...I read our allies are particularly miffed right now, not to mention that his relationship with Macron had been strained from the beginning!

He is as bad communicating with foreigners as he is with Germans....I really wonder how he got to this position in the first place. As a leader you NEED a minimum skill to reach, to bond, to connect with others, not to mention to inspire....our Scholz is seemingly unable to!

I guess when he is done, once this gov is gone, his successor needs lotsa time to rebuild all these broken and burned bridges, not only internal.

jon357
1 Mar 2024  #2238

I read our allies are particularly miffed right now

It's hardly surprising. After all, it's considered bad form to discuss the intelligence matters of friendly countries. It tends to lead to one's own country being excluded from sensitive discussions.

It's good to annoy Micron (and quite easy) however Micron has shot his mouth off already. The U.K. however is not the business of either Micron or Scholtz.

his successor

Who is that likely to be?

Bratwurst Boy
1 Mar 2024  #2239

Who is that likely to be?

Right now? No idea....the political landscape in Germany is changing drastically....and till the next national elections everything can happen!

The U.K. however is not the business of either Micron or Scholtz.

...we are still together in NATO! And if Trump becomes president and leaves Europe to fend for itself, militarily we will become even more each others "business"!

Novichok
1 Mar 2024  #2240

.the political landscape in Germany is changing drastically..

As in the US, always post-fact after irreversible damage is done...Western men are that stupid...They start some crap to feel good for a moment and have no idea how to end it...

...we are still together in NATO! And if Trump becomes president and leaves Europe to fend for itself,

You, Euros, should be rooting for Trump and looking forward to the day when the US will not be telling you what to do. I hate when my wife tells me how to drive.

Bratwurst Boy
1 Mar 2024  #2241

....yeah....but so a are humans (not only Euros btw.), changing a comfy lifestyle is the hardest! :)

jon357
1 Mar 2024  #2242

we are still together in NATO! And

Yet only two of those three countries are nuclear states and none of their intelligence stuff is the business of any other.

Novichok
1 Mar 2024  #2243

..but so a are humans (not only Euros btw.), changing a comfy lifestyle is the hardest! :)

The reason is different than comfort. It's the addiction to spending others' money for the temporary reward of appearing loving and caring with zero personal risk.

Broads and male cvnts love this crap...and vote on feeeelings. They hate "how many" and "how much" questions as hateful and heartless.

Novichok
1 Mar 2024  #2244

Yeah....he is isolating himself and with that Germany even more..

Germany for Germans! Others will buy what you make and never mind all that love...The EU, including Poland, is still trading with Russia.

He is as bad communicating with foreigners as he is with Germans...

How many times do I have to say that I should be your Chancellor? Can you cite anything I posted here that was not crystal clear?

Novichok
1 Mar 2024  #2245

The Telegraph
Revealed: how Putin plans to flood West with migrants


Revealed? West loves migrants so what's the problem? How about a thank you card to Putin plus an offer to assist?

Hey, Vlad, send all you can and one day Brits will erect a monument to your eternal glory - that's how much they love migrants - especially Muslims. Their welcoming seaside ceremonies are better and kinder than what I experienced when I finally made it to America. Nobody was waiting for me with warm milk, flowers, and a voucher to a five-star hotel...

Bobko
1 Mar 2024  #2246

I did not know this but 18 to 26 year old Ukraine men are not eligible to be mobilized

Look at the chart below. Across the entire Soviet Union, there was a collapse in births in and around the time of its dissolution.

This generation of 18-26 year old men, is the smallest demographic group in Ukraine. Basically, no kids were born in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

If Ukraine is to survive as a nation, and not disappear off the map entirely, it has to preserve this demographic cohort. If they put these kids into the meat grinder, in 100 years there won't be any Ukrainians left to fight over. That's why Zelensky, and many 30-40-50 year old Ukrainians, are willing to go and die instead of these kids, because they are literally the future.

Better that the 30-40-50 year olds get erased first, despite its more painful effect on the economy in the short term.


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Bratwurst Boy
1 Mar 2024  #2247

How many times do I have to say that I should be your Chancellor?

....only one more time! :)

Bobko
1 Mar 2024  #2248

minimum skill to reach, to bond, to connect with others, not to mention to inspire

People are quite afraid of German leaders capable of "reaching, bonding, connecting and inspiring others".

Better continue with your sterile robots for the time being.

Bratwurst Boy
1 Mar 2024  #2249

....I dunno..."sterile robots" may be okay when everything is running well, but rather not in a time of crisis...even multiple crises.

jon357
1 Mar 2024  #2250

but rather not in a time of crisis

Exactly.

One who's not afraid of open criticism in the one hand but on the other hand has the guts to say what they mean and do what they say.


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