Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9

Torq, as a believer, you probably followed the recent statements of Pope Francis related to this war.
The Pope is elected so that the cardinals retire to a prayer room (each individually), and pray until God tells them who to vote for. God said that there should be Pope Francis, so let's not go against God now, let's hang the white flag.

Yes, I did. Luckily none of these statements were proclaimed ex cathedra, so their value is similar to Pope expressing his opinion about AS Roma winning Serie A this season, and I am in no way obliged to consider Comrade Bergoglio's opinions my own.

However, I support all sensible peace efforts. Blessed be the peacemakers, and all that.

Failing Russian military industry

What would be the alternative?

Russia keep saying that Ukraine should't even exist and broke every single deal since molotov ribbentrop. Russia would NEVER fulfill its deals with Ukraine. They will attack Ukraine again in few months or years after solving all logistical problems. Not even being allied with Russia prevented you from being invaded. As warsaw pact was the unique military alliance in human history to only attack its own members.

What works to prevent Russia aggression is dissuasion with a strong force.

Kaja Kallas and many other European leaders who had relatives send to Siberia understands it.

Which are difficult when one side (the one that started it) is deranged... sensible peace efforts require sensible partners not bloodthirsty imperialists...

@jon357
You dont like the idea of a peaceful world I understand. You dont like the idea of saving Ukrainian lives. And you dont want to understand how buying time is in Ukraine's, Polands and the entire EU's best interest to build armies and weapons stockpiles. You must be one of Z's personal advisers.

And just in case all you Russia haters and people who refuse to accept peace negotiations hve not read, Ukraine next week will start emptying prisons and conscripting those men for the Ukraine military. Becuase no one else is volunteering, and Z is too stupid to mobilize. So please tell me again how much better Ukraine is after repeating what Russia has done. More rapists, murderers, drug addicts and child molesters on the prowl, this time they will be in "friendly" uniforms. Fvcking karma.

Another American Paladin howitzer was also destroyed



American tech & equipment is rotting in the vast expanses of Russia

Don't be silly.

Did you think that r*SSia's illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in any way contributes to a peaceful world.


Or too clever.


Karma for the orcs

EU state blasts Biden's 'dictatorship' remarks

Hungary will not tolerate Washington's "lies" about the country's prime minister, FM Peter Szijjarto has said

rt.com/news/594175-hungary-summon-us-ambassador-biden/

@jon357
Remember these men are in prison what what they did to their countrymen, not what they did to Russians. Russia is the cause of the war, smart men want it to end. Z is proving to be a moron. He made many complaints about Russia using prisoners, and now he does the same instead of mobilizing more men. Z will never admit he has made many very big mistakes, and he is backed into a corner by his own words. He will likely end up dead or in protective custody in another country when this ends, but he sure wont maintain power. His own citizens are turning on him.

I wonder how all the PF members who want Ukraine to keep fighting will feel if Russia ends up rolling through the defensive lines and captures Kiev. Imagine that for just a few minutes and then remember Ukraine turned down a peace deal two years ago. Thats just moronic. How many men would be with their families today if that deal was signed?

Your points may or may not be to correct (as START I and II, and the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty were deals that the USSR/Russia kept.)

Ukraine's on the ropes as specified by the French Intelligence leak yesterday. If you want russian aggression to be dissuaded by strong force then you are talking about direct NATO/European involvement in the conflict, aka NATO-Russian War, you sure you're ready for that? I'm safe in Oz kanga land but be prepared to send your kids to war then.

And the obligatory mushroom cloud.

Are you really blaming Ukraine for fighting an invader?

What happened to you? And why don't you just answer my serious question?

PS: The last country giving up like you want Ukraine to was France in WWII...I think....1940....

Worth repeating, since it was previously ignored by the 'Pro Infinity War' group.

Poll of Ukrainians from Feb 5-10 2024. (Kyiv International Institute of Sociology.)
Orange = those who agree Ukraine must defeat Russia only by militarily means, regardless of the number of victims. 23%
Blue = those who agree Ukraine should also look for a diplomatic way to end it, to minimize casualties. 72%

twitter.com/BMarchetich/status/1760683859996471769

Ie Fight and Talk at the same time.

Intel Slava Z
🇷🇺 Putin in an interview with Kiselev:

- Russia is ready to use nuclear weapons if the question is about the existence of the Russian state

- From a military-technical point of view, the Russian Federation is ready for a nuclear war, but I don't think everything is rushing so head-on

- The presence of foreign troops in Ukraine and the supply of weapons will not change anything on the battlefield

See? That's why nobody likes Russians.

It's not some irrational 'russophobia'. It's utter distaste triggered by your willingness to throw around impotent threats and openly indulge in fantasies about obliterating millions of civilians.

Normal people just don't act that way.

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Ukrainian commanders told Der Spiegel that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not last long
▪️AFU officers spoke about the situation in different sectors of the front. Most of them agree: due to insufficient supplies, almost all units are forced to conserve ammunition.

▪️Some troops can now hold their positions - and then only until the Russian army attacks in full force.
▪️If the attacks intensify, then due to the acute shortage of personnel, weapons and ammunition, they will not be stopped for long.
▪️Then the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have to retreat - however, the positions for retreat are also poorly developed.
▪️ "The Ukrainians are experiencing difficulties now, and the Russians are advancing along the entire front," said military expert Mark Cancian of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

▪️Ukraine is trying to adhere to an active defense strategy, but instead of counterattacks it is losing more and more high-quality equipment from the West. Many units will soon run out of ammunition.

▪️ "We won't be able to hold out like this for long," the Ukrainian Armed Forces admitted to the Ukrainian artillery near Ugledar.

And now they'll do it to r*SSians. Fair game since firstly their armed killers shouldn't be in Ukraine and secondly they themselves have been using prisoners of the worst sort as orcs.


He isn't though, is he.

He's one of the most respected world leaders at the moment and a hero at home.

Perhaps you should ignore what right-wing Americans say and write. They are known for lying.

How is Udmurtia going to roll into Kiev ?

Another surprise airborne assault ? Right laugh !

Maybe they will try the column of tanks again, conveniently forgetting that the last one got stuck in the mud with no petrol and no ammo.

They have no possibility of crossing Central Ukraine and getting across the river without air support. The Udmurtian Air Force has remained safely in its hangers for two years. The last thing they want to do is demonstrate to the rest of the world how ineffective there planes are.

The Udmurtians can produce a lot of shells but without semiconductors they are not going to make real progress either, so it will be some kind of stalemate unless the west can find its back bone and help Ukraine

Normal people don't spend 40% of the world's total on the army they don't need to stay safe.
The US does. The US is not normal people. It's a corrupt pile of thieves with the MICC in the lead.

You really should fly to russia and ask for asylum...

Is there anything I said to trigger this reaction?

You love russia and hate the US.... why wouldn't you want to be free of people you hate in the land you love?

Intel Slava Z
🇺🇲🇷🇺🇺🇦 Without additional military assistance from the United States, Ukraine will be forced to enter into peace negotiations with Russia on Moscow's terms within a year, says CIA Director Robert Burns.

"He (Russian President Vladimir Putin) is interested in such negotiations where he can dictate terms. I think that without additional help, this is the future that can await Ukraine in a year from now," he said at a hearing of the House Intelligence Committee US representatives.

According to Burns, the absence of new military assistance will lead to an even greater retreat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and losses of settlements occupied by Ukrainian troops this year.

I don't love Russia because I have never been to Russia and never met any Russians. I don't love Peruvians for the same reason.

I don't hate the US because "the US" means everything within its borders - my family included as well as all those that make life safer and easier.

I do hate the mother fvckers who destroy the US. Here is the list:

1. Democrats and other fascists like Antifa and BLM
2. Woke morons
3. Spineless RINOs and neocons
4. LGBT freaks and their pride colors
5. Deficit spenders
6. Open border traitors
7. NATO
8. Military Industrial Congressional Complex
9. Black looting thugs

Now it's your turn to say which of the above you would "love" if you lived here.

We need to teach Russia a lesson, to break them, so that they will never again be a problem.

This is key. Or set them back by a few decades so we can take precautions.

@Bratwurst Boy
Where TF do I blame Ukraine? I blame Z for not mobilizing and not following his orders from the US on the counter offensive. Z fvcked it all up. I blame him. Surender to save a generation of lives? Definitely. Live to fight another day. Stop people from dying? Absolutely. Ukraine cannot get Russia out of the occupied lands. It wont happen.

@jon357
He is not respected. His own people are turning on him. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Russia is not going to be broken by Ukraine. Russia can keep this going for another five years according to latest estimates. Ukraine will be a fvcking ghost town in five years if this keep going. Now with conscripting inmates, the ones who raped Ukraine women, killed other Ukraine people, and robbed Ukraine people are going to be let go and given weapons. This because the idiot Z will not do what needs to be done and mobilize. What dont people understand? Ukraine is running out of men. If you have no men to pull triggers it doesnt matter how many guns you have.

In all your recent posts?

You make it sound as if Ukraine is to blame that Putin invaded....and that Ukraine should just give up and wave the white flag....that Ukrainians are responsible for it's men, women and children dying, it's houses getting destroyed, it's farms devastated....and that they could end it immediately if they only would submit to the Red Army...

You blame Selensky for an impossible situation, having suddenly to lead an attacked, threatened, invaded, confused, shocked and hurting country!

Not Putin!!! And never the Russians!

What else is this?

And I ask you my question again, please answer honestly:

What would you do as an Ukrainian living with your family in a territory claimed by the invading army? Or as a Pole...or as an USian....it could happen to you and your loved ones tomorrow to, nothing is safe anymore. Would you just give all up and submit?

He is and they're not.

Ukraine has done remarkably so far, and we're just going into the rasputitsa which will prevent any orc advances.


Yes, r*SSi did that. Ukraine however is a bit more choosy about the felons it conscripts.


Interesting that you think you know better than the person actually doing the job, the one that has held off the worlds alleged second best army for over two years already.