Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

Some **** on the fan. Because it was done by Germans!

What was done by Germans?

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Now I'm probably back in Paulina and Lenka's sh*t list! Thanks.

It was not my intention, to fuel such sordid speculation :) Merely, I wanted to show to the good people, that the ISW hired Ukrainians to cover the Ukrainian conflict.

To me - that's nonsense. How can you expect them not to use the platform to cheerlead for Ukraine?

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Anyway, going to stop beating a dead horse.


Yes, but we know from what is being written in the press that Russia has an advantage in all three of those areas. On certain sectors of the front, like Chasiv Yar, the Ukrainians claim they are at a 10-1 disadvantage in manpower.

Front-wide, the Ukrainians claim they are at a 5, or 6-1 disadvantage in artillery fires.

The fuel situation is roughly equally adequate for both sides, and likely not an important factor.

In Russia we say, "пока толстый сохнет, худой сдохнет". Translated, it means, "While the fat man withers, the skinny man dies."

In this war, in general, one of Russia's big advantages is it is able to commit large errors and then recover from them. Ukraine has very little space for mistakes.

You know, this Katyn thing...it was found that bullets were from german pistol.

O kurwa...

Thanks for saving me the time and trouble of discussing anything with you ever again.

*puts Kostya's file into the "Flat Earth Society, Elvis is alive crowd etc." drawer*

Every family is not without its Kostya.

Bober...ya perdole

Do you have a link?

You Poles are so vulnerable...

Судя по пулям, извлеченным из трупов офицеров, а также по обнаруженным в песке гильзам, выстрелы производились из короткоствольного оружия калибра 7,65 мм. Похоже, эти пули немецкого происхождения. Опасаясь, как бы большевики не использовали это обстоятельство в своих интересах, немецкие власти бдительно следили, чтобы члены Комиссии ПКК не спрятали ни одной пули или гильзы. Наивно было рассчитывать на эффективность этого распоряжения: уследить за его выполнением было невозможно
katynbooks.narod.ru/relacje/Docs/2_04.html Отчет Польского Красного Креста (для служебного пользования;

Of course that is not 100% prove but the fact that all these people were exhumed by Nazi is suspicious

How very sad.


No. We just don't like wasting time.

"This"? "Thing"?

Show some respect, twerp.

Hmmm.....from your link:

Released in 1989. In Poland, a collection of articles, memories and eyewitnesses of eyewitnesses about one of the most difficult atrocities of the Stalinist regime - the mass murder of Polish soldiers - is published in Russian for the first time. The materials presented in the collection have been published for more than forty years in different countries, but only the fall of the communist regime made them a public of the Polish public. Now they are available to the Russian reader...

That doesn't look like surprising new facts blaming Germans....


katyn-books.ru/library/katyn-svidetelstva-vospominaniya9.html

Bullets were German and this is the fact.

That's some real Mickey Mouse excuse!

How do you explain these proposals from Beria, the later decision of the Politburo, and finally the report from "the field" about the overnight execution of a group of more than 300 officers?

Fortunately for us, the Bolsheviks were absolutely obsessed with documenting everything - even their own crimes.

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Having access to blanks you can create all docs you need, even if Bobko f*cked with ConstantineK.

The NKVD using german handguns? Katyn happened in 1940....Nazis and Commies were still "friends" then....german troops even trained in Russia as after WWI such things were forbidden for Germans...

...While Soviet-German military cooperation between 1922 and 1933 is often forgotten, it had a decisive impact on the origins and outbreak of World War II. Germany rebuilt its shattered military at four secret bases hidden in Russia. In exchange, the Reichswehr sent men to teach and train the young Soviet officer corps. However, the most important aspect of Soviet-German cooperation was its technological component. Together, the two states built a network of laboratories, workshops, and testing grounds in which they developed what became the major weapons systems of World War II. Without the technical results of this cooperation, Hitler would have been unable to launch his wars of conquest.....

warontherocks.com/2016/06/sowing-the-wind-the-first-soviet-german-military-pact-and-the-origins-of-world-war-ii/

@ConstantineK
Put the crack pipe down and back away. Stalin would have been riding on the back of a pig if not for the US. Go get an education.

This suggests a possibility of the front collapsing. So, we need to start thinking...

If we are certain that "Poland is next on the menu" as our lovely Russian friends and Slavic brothers suggested on numerous occasions, then that would be a good time for Wojsko Polskie to enter the fight on the Ukrainian side. For me personally it's a sh*tty option, as I would probably have to switch my daily activities to anti-aircraft defense but, hey, that's life.

Everyone who was, like me, brought up in a shady neighbourhood of a shady city (aaaah, my beloved Słupsk :)) knows that when the fight is inevitable you have to strike first. Street/stadium lore 101.

So, we have to establish with about 90% (100% is never possible) accuracy if the war with Russia is inevitable. If we come to the conclusion that it is, it's time to strike.

....Poland is NATO and EU member....if you are attacked Germany has to act too, then we are innit too....but you must avoid to make the first step, definitely!

Not necessarily, BB.

It makes more sense to reinforce Ukrainians while they are still holding than wait for them to collapse, and if Bobi's numbers are correct they might well collapse soon. Imagine Wojsko Polskie with reserves (including yours truly) reinforcing the front lines. That would definitely shift the balance in the Free World's favour.

Of course, Russia might want to deescalate then by - for example - nuking Rzeszów. And then we move to a parallel (but not improbable) scenario...

Means, motive, and opportunity - the three prerequisites for crime - don't exit. Especially motive. Why would Russia want Poland? I didn't want Poland.

What's the payback? Those Polish gold deposits?

OK, I got it...Russia needs more land...Yeah...that's it...


You are under migrant attack...Like cancer. it will slowly devour you and you are unwilling to fight back...

They do have means, opportunity can create itself and as for motive...


In one of his posts in this (I think) thread, Bobi gave a list of very good reasons why Poland would be an even more valuable "trophy" for Russia than Ukraine.

Its decided long time ago in Rome.

I missed that post..
Bobko is my favorite poster here right along with PAK. My problem with my dear Russian friend, as opposed to PAK, is that I am never sure if I am reading well-hidden sarcasm or something else. No such dilemma with PAK.

I apologize to my other friends for not mentioning them here. I just wanted to make my point - whatever it is...

As a test...Would Poland want Lithuania? The first question would be: For the fvck what?

I'm glad you're having fun, brate, but we are on the verge of some very difficult decisions here leading to some very interesting scenarios.

It's an internet board, we are thinking/writing/discussing, so let's think...

Let's assume that:

1. We establish with over 90% accuracy that Poland (or Baltics) are next on the menu if Ukraine falls. That means war with Russia is inevitable. In such case, we have to move first.

2. Wojsko Polskie reinforces Ukrainian front.

3. Russia begins to be owned, so they try to deescalate by nuking Rzeszów. Of course in such situation we have to keep fighting, but - also - we have to respond.

4. Polish artillery, HIMARS, air force razes Kaliningrad to the ground.

5. Russian attempt at deescalating fails.

So, at this moment of extended conflict, we have a Rzeszów - Kaliningrad exchange. Probably more painful for Russia than for us (with all my respect to Rzeszów). This is the moment when the well known game of chicken starts: Poland cannot stop fighting (if we did, all the poor people in Rzeszów died for nothing), Russia must make a decision if they want to keep escalating, risking not only NATO response but also the anger of their Chinese overlords for whom nuclear escalation is very undesirable (in the Pacific region the USA has significant advantage with possibility of nuclear exchange). Especially that Japan, South Korea, Australia or even Indonesia may become nuclear powers very quickly (perhaps even quicker than Poland).

But... let's assume Russia wants to keep escalating...

I have a better assumption for you...

This war will be over this year and Russia will win. Zero doubt.

If Russia has a good memory and functioning brain, it will not stop until it gets an unconditional surrender from Ukraine. Or it will get its own version of Korea - the biggest military blunder ever on the part of the US. Wars by the book are total crap that serves nobody well.

... in such situation our cards are not as strong as Russia's as we don't have nuclear weapons (yet). We do, however, constantly build our long range attack capabilities and, if Google maps don't lie, we have about 550 km to Smoleńsk, 720 km to St. Petersburg and 800 km to Kursk. In those lovely cities our Slavic brothers built nuclear power plants.

So, let's continue our scenario remembering that Rzeszów and Kalinigrad already lay in ruins.

6. Russia keeps escalating by using multiple nuclear strikes against targets in Ukraine and Poland. Of course, in such situation Ukraine and Poland have to keep fighting - otherwise all those poor people died for nothing.

7. Polish F-35 and long range missiles take out Smoleńsk, St. Petersburg and Kursk nuclear power plants. The destruction at this moment of conflict is staggering but the game of chicken continues.

Now, at this moment, Russia has to start thinking hard about why they started this war (oh, yes, Bandera, denazification etc...), what they want to achieve, and are they doing particularly well at it. In other words, дорогие наши русские братья must do some intellectual work on the problem of further escalation/continuing the war. It's not an easy problem, I admit, but being legendary chess players they are surely thinking at least a couple of moves ahead. We - from our side - do some thinking too. One thing is certain - neither Ukraine nor Poland will stop fighting because our freedom is at stake and all our people didn't die so that we surrender now. So, we keep on fighting.

There are many scenarios possible, but I think the beginning phases I described pretty accurately.


I am saving this for future reference. :) Sorry, Novi, I'm an arsehole like that. :)

Did speak with them bullets in German? Are you sure? Did you see their passports?

Thank you. Frustrations are too deep. Rome is powerful enemy and its not easy.


No, don`t move. Let France go and you just look and put cross on yourself.