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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10



pawian
28 Mar 2024  #661

Poles will never need

Mongrel from London sewers, who are you to speak on behalf of Poles and Polesses????

mafketis
28 Mar 2024  #662

build a farm and grow them if it brothers you so much...

The issue is scalability.... there are lots of things that are okay if engaged in at low rates but which don't make for healthy societies.

One individual remaining childless for whatever reason is fine.... but it doesn't work as a social norm.

The future belongs.... as someone once said.... to those who show up for it. How many Polish people will show up for it?

People want also to be able to afford having kids

Yes! And it's the illusion of endless choice that comes with neoliberalism that means they can't.

Paulina
28 Mar 2024  #663

healthy societies.

Maf, right now, in my opinion, we don't even know what the future holds with the AI revolution ongoing. It may turn out that low birth rates won't be a problem anymore at some point, because there simply won't be enough jobs for people.

Yes! And it's the illusion of endless choice that comes with neoliberalism that means they can't

But you can't force people to have kids. Is that what you want? To force them? Because I don't understand what you want exactly.

Novichok
29 Mar 2024  #664

Quoting:

If it was ISIS it was CIA, ie US. Hence the warning to US citizens. The US is up to its old dirty tricks.

The 48-hour warning was a ruse that gave the US the plausible excuse to say that it had nothing to do with it, and even gave them a warning that it could happen.


Zero doubt...

Novichok
29 Mar 2024  #665



Why does the US need tanks? In case Canada or Mexico invades the US?

Paulina
29 Mar 2024  #666

Zero doubt...

That's because you have zero objectivity and 100% bias lol

I'd confidently challenge the veracity of that. (...) I know a lot of men who would be labeled traditionalists. I read a shitload of these types of guys also. Not one subscribes to the above caricatures.

You clearly haven't read comments by some of the men on this forum then. Not to mention that there's a whole "subculture" of men (and boys) like that - considering how popular Andrew Tate is.

encourages her to thrive professionally and personally, and shares in household responsibilities.

You're a rather rare case among American men on this forum then. Btw, I'm curious what this "sharing household responsibilities" looks like, because Torq/GefreiterKania claimed something similar, but when he went into details it turned out that it was bullsh1t :))

Crnogorac3
29 Mar 2024  #667

1

She had a perfect life in Switzerland, and then left everything for a Masai warrior

zena.blic.rs/lifestyle/imala-sam-savrsen-zivot-u-svajcarskoj-a-onda-sam-ostavila-sve-zbog-masai-ratnika-u/8p71b4f

Masai warrior jebe - ne vadi. Now. While Korvinus is lamenting about the sad fate of Western civilization on Polishforums.

Can confirm as a guy that went on one billion dates with Western women in their 20s during the past year.

But women are strange, and nowadays with such values ​​and way of life, this phenomenon is becoming more and more widespread.

Girls today are really not serious, and the amount of effort involved in making them "hear you", is a little bit off the charts.

They love to play the hot-cold game, and besides, if you have a decently sized "tool", you can play with them as you like.
It's as if they lose their minds.
With us, you can barely see it because of society and the fear of condemnation.
But slowly, as it started, it could become normal in our countries after a few generations, if we continue with these Western values, hedonism, etc.

PolAmKrakow
29 Mar 2024  #668

@mafketis
I have to say, after reading your thoughts on neoliberalism, I have a new found respect for your take on things. You expressed your views, and those of others very well.

Meanwhile, the US is going to take a vote on Ukraine aid today. Good Friday seems appropriate after 8 months of no new aid packages.

mafketis
29 Mar 2024  #669

can't force people to have kids. Is that what you want?

No. I want people to be able to express their natural instincts/desires to reproduce (again, within reason) without so much economic pressure and negative incentives in the way.

with the AI revolution ongoing. It may turn out that low birth rates won't be a problem anymore

Those behind the AI 'revolution' see themselves as superior beings and they despise you and me.... do you really want to trust the fate of humanity to them?

Crnogorac3
29 Mar 2024  #670

Admittedly, there are a lot of them across Germany who walk beside their "Maasai warriors", but most of them are ugly, fat or below average women who wouldn't even catch an ugly German and then with their big ugly noses raised to the skies they walk with such, feeding their poor ego, here they're walking with a black.

But we mustn't forget that blacks actually prefer fat women here and there. That's why those fat and ugly women mostly get black men because they can't get anyone else. I watched a documentary about such a couple, she is all too happy because she can indulge in her eating habits without a twinge of conscience because he loves her as fatter she gets as much as possible. The black will probably practice on her until he gets asylum, then he will take a skinny black woman with a big ass. She will remain alone greasy and fat and probably end up in bed due to obesity.

Torq
29 Mar 2024  #671

when he went into details it turned out that it was bullsh1t

Oh, really? Care to provide a quote?

Sharing household responsibilities, Pumpkin, is something that two consenting adults agree upon between themselves. It is not about hoovering/washing two exactly equal areas of floor, cleaning the same number of windows or ironing the same number of shirts :) And, by the way, I am not talking about my household - all those things and more are done for us by lovely Mrs Lyudmyla from Winnica. I am talking about the division of responsibilities in general in any given marriage.

So, Little Pumpkin, if two consenting adults joined by a holy matrimony agree upon a division of chores wherein the Lady of the house takes care of shopping and preparing meals for the family and the God-fearing husband takes it upon himself to ensure that everything around the house is in perfect working order and that there is always enough money for everything they might need, then it is a perfectly appropriate division of responsibilities. :) Only idiots would like to force the Lady of such house to fix a leaking pipe and the husband to cook a meal (which the children would later have to eat!). Of course, in some marriages it might well be the situation where the husband enjoys cooking and the wife is good with hammer and wrench, or where it is the Lady of the house who brings home the bacon. So, again, it is all about a mutual agreement between two consenting adults. Why is it so hard to understand for some idiot feminists? Why would they like to force an architect to hoover the floor, when he can pay for someone to do it and use the time he saved to earn multiple times the amount doing his job? Why would they like to force a truck driver to wash the dishes when he can take overtime at work and make his family's life that much easier and worry-free whilst the Lady of the house hoovers the floor (or the other way around)?

Get this idea into your head, silly Gourd: whatever husband and wife agree upon when it comes to household resposibilities, it is sacred and it's none of your (or any other spinster's) business what they agree upon.

Geez, amazing that one has to explain such Common Sense 101 basics to people. *rolls eyes*

Paulina
29 Mar 2024  #672

No. I want people to be able to express their natural instincts/desires to reproduce (again, within reason) without so much economic pressure and negative incentives in the way.

Well, that's not what I'm seeing in your comments, tbh, which seem to be mainly complaining about "neoliberalism" and people having a choice.

Those behind the AI 'revolution' see themselves as superior beings and they despise you and me....

They're mainly men from what I've noticed, btw (that's info for the PF's misogynists).

do you really want to trust the fate of humanity to them?

No, I'm just saying what the reality is.

Crnogorac3
29 Mar 2024  #673

There is even sex tourism for old and ugly German women with black men

Die Bekanntschaften zwischen jungen Einheimischen und älteren Urlauberinnen aus Europa bezeichnet in Gambia niemand als Prostitution. Denn auf beiden Seiten geht es um Sehnsüchte - nach ein wenig Liebe und nach einem anderen Leben...

nau.ch/news/europa/sextourismus-in-gambia-europaische-omas-im-paradies-65791505

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European values ​​have come down to enabling big-assed and old European women to receive youthful black cocks, and big-assed and old European men to enjoy the young and slim bodies in Thailand and else where.

Bratwurst Boy
29 Mar 2024  #674

The new "sugar mom's"...and why the hell not! :)

It only gets sad when said women truly believe that this young cock really "loves" them as he always says....then it get's a problem...but hey....stupidity never dies! And in the end it's their money....and even with only german standard welfare you can be very "attractive" for the poor guys down there!

That's not really about "european values"....but rather the value of european money....and this dream of poor people in the whole world to get a foot into the european door!

mafketis
29 Mar 2024  #675

mainly complaining about "neoliberalism"

root causes.... you don't make a tree grow by watering the leaves and you don't cure illnesses by treating symptoms (unless that's all that can be done)

people having a choice.

the allure of neoliberalism is infinite choices that carry no consequences.... having children carries _lots_ of consequences so it's at odds with the core tenets of the dominant socio-economic system in the world.... 500 (or 800) plus and other programs just mess around dropping water on the leaves

the inner contradiciton of neoliberalism is that it requires a growing population while discouraging childbirth (unless it can be commodified)

this is also one reason so many western governments are desperately luring migrants - outsourcing population growth, turning another natural process into a commodity (there are a few different industries now devoted to funneling people from Africa the Middle East and Latin America into developed countries)

whether or not those being funneled into western countries have any hope of adapting and eventually flourishing is not asked because the people behind the process can't think in such terms.....

Paulina
29 Mar 2024  #676

Oh, really? Care to provide a quote?

You don't remember your discussion with me and Lenka anymore? :) You know, the one in which you revealed how much you work and how little time you spend with your kids?

whatever husband and wife agree upon when it comes to household resposibilities, it is sacred and it's none of your (or any other spinster's) business what they agree upon.

Hey, it was you who claimed that you share the responsibilities, including taking care of your kids, with your wife. You didn't have to claim that :)

So, it's your wife who's taking care of your kids on the daily basis, she's also doing the cooking and you hire a lady from Winnica for other stuff, yes? So, what are you doing at home exactly?

So, again, it is all about a mutual agreement between two consenting adults.

Do you remember how angry you got at me and Lenka for suggesting that you don't spend enough time with your kids? But later you talked to your wife and it turned out that she agreed. You even stated that you're going to cut down on your working hours a bit, spend less time on PF and more with your kids.

So, there was clearly something that your wife didn't voice in this "mutual agreement" for some reason or this agreement needed to be "updated".

So, shockingly :), you basically listened to an advice of two alleged "spinsters" :)) ;)

Paulina
29 Mar 2024  #677

the inner contradiciton of neoliberalism is that it requires a growing population while discouraging childbirth (unless it can be commodified)

Noone is "discouraging" childbirth. People simply have more options these days. And they have higher expectations from life in general.

Torq
29 Mar 2024  #678

how much you work and how little time you spend with your kids?

Oh, I remember. If a man is not a psychopath then he will always regret the time that he has to spend at work at the expense of the time he could spend with his children. Alas, it is sometimes necessary.

you sahre the responsibilities, including taking care of your kids, with your wife

Sure I do. According to a mutal agreement between my wife and me. :) And, anyways, recently I am able to spend more time with my kids thanks to our shared new hobby!

So, what are you doing at home exactly?

I don't want this to sound rude but it really is none of your business.

this agreement needed to be "updated"

As those agreements very often need to be. They are not something carved in stone forever. :)

you basically listened to an advice

Yes, when I think a piece of advice is useful then I follow it, regardless of who it may come from. I am also able to acknowledge my mistakes and admit when I am wrong. All horrible faults in a man. ;)

mafketis
29 Mar 2024  #679

Noone is "discouraging" childbirth.

No?

twitter.com/childfreebc1/status/1771232146687939038

youtube.com/@StopHavingKids

Bratwurst Boy
29 Mar 2024  #680

I wonder why they have to make an online campaign like on X about that if it's truly only about a personal choice....

mafketis
29 Mar 2024  #681

I wonder why they have to make an online campaign ... it's truly only about a personal choice

You get it!!!!!!!!

Paulina
29 Mar 2024  #682

I don't want this to sound rude but it really is none of your business.

That's rather rich coming from you considering that you're lecturing others how to live and you were interrogating me about my private life and getting rude about it even though I wasn't asking or commenting about your private life :)))

And, anyways, recently I am able to spend more time with my kids thanks to our shared new hobby!

That's good to hear :)

No?

twitter.com/childfreebc1/status/1771232146687939038

How's that "discouraging childbirth"? It looks like some "affirmative" stuff for people who don't want to (or can't) have kids already.

youtube.com/@StopHavingKids

Those videos have like just over 1000 views. You know that there are people who believe that the Earth is flat? lol

And come on, it's not like it's some kind of big campaign on national TV or sth.

mafketis
29 Mar 2024  #683

it's not like it's some kind of big campaign on national TV or sth lol

Those were two links I found in about three seconds.... lots more out there. Lots.

Just like veganism and the 'trans kids' movements.... these seem like they're being bankrolled....

looks like some "affirmative" stuff for people who don't want to (or can't) have kids already

why do they need 'affirmative' stuff? those who just don't want kids should just be happy with that choice... why need cheerleading? and those who want kids but can't have them don't want someone telling them they're lucky

Crnogorac3
29 Mar 2024  #684

In Austria, local oldies who "take care" of poor "refugees" from Afghanistan earned the epithet sugar mommies. Refugees welcome into their pu$$y. Personally, I don't mind when I see a white woman and a black man, nor do I care at all. It's their business and if anyone has the right to complain, it's their families. Of course, I also have an opinion about such relationships, which is more or less based on objective facts that have been known for a long time. I, for one, do not understand what these women see in those black men. They are neither handsome, nor smart, nor capable of feeding a family. They're only good for fvcking, some hissy fit and that's it. To many white women they even managed to make a child and then disappeared from their lives forever. I remember a story from Bosnia from before the war. Some local woman, a pretty blonde who could have any man, fell for an African man who came to Yugoslavia to study. Of course, he dumped her with a child and wanted to go back to where he came from (I don't remember which country he was from). She didn't want to and they divorced. But he wanted to take the child, she refused. He then left and the case seemed closed. However, a year later, the guy returned, kidnapped the child and fled the country without anyone noticing. When she realized that there was no child, she called the police, but it was too late. I'm not saying that this happens regularly, but with such cultures, the risk of something like this happening is huge.

And that story about warriors is probably disproved by history. White people ruled the whole world, and they still dominate today. The measure of a good warrior is not the cock, but the civilization he has built, the willingness to take risks, courage, effort and work. Hunter-gatherers are not the concept of warriors. During the Rhodesian Civil War, special forces of the then white regime (Rhodesian Special Air Services) killed nearly 3,000 black guerrillas in Operation Dingo between November 23 and 25, 1977. The SAS had only two casualties. And that in an operation of 200 white special forces against 10,000 (!) black guerrillas. It is not meant to think by your cock but with your brain.

Torq
29 Mar 2024  #685

considering that you're lecturing others how to live

I never lecture people on how to live. I say they are Jesus-betraying Judases (and I include myself in this category too), when such thing is called for as a sobering reminder, but I don't lecture them on how to live. You always read way more into my posts than there really is in them.

you were interrogating me about my private life and getting rude about it

0_0

Again, I would need quotes. I don't recall getting rude about you any more than you getting rude about me. Balance of nature as Pawian says.

Paulina
29 Mar 2024  #686

Those were two links I found in about three seconds.... lots more out there. Lots.

There are also anti-vax people and all kinds of other people with more or less strange views out there.

why do they need 'affirmative' stuff?

Because they're being judged by their families, maybe friends and society in general for not having kids. This forum is a good example of that.

and those who want kids but can't have them don't want someone telling them they're lucky

They may need to see some kind of a "bright side", some positives to their situation in order to be able to go on with life mentally though. To see that there is life without having kids and that you can enjoy it.

I don't recall getting rude about you any more than you getting rude about me. Balance of nature as Pawian says.

I was never making nasty remarks about/related to your personal life. You did about mine though.

Torq
29 Mar 2024  #687

You did about mine though.

Like what? You mean calling you a 'spinster'? It's not a nasty remark. It's a proper dictionary word meaning a woman over 30 (more or less) who is not married.

Calling you a spinster is like calling Novi a pensioner. A fact.

If you are not a spinster (which you never denied) then bless the Lord (and the poor guy in Kielce who has my sincere sympathy ;)).

Lenka
29 Mar 2024  #688

why do they need 'affirmative' stuff?

Because of the society pressure?
Just few months ago a man showed me a haha tweet about a women having a depression. The second part was that she is childless by choice. Because obviously she is depressed because she doesn't have kids.

I do believe however there is a lot of negativity against kids in public spaces. But that comes again from people being more selective about the people they sourand themselves with.

Paulina
29 Mar 2024  #689

I never lecture people on how to live.

You were telling me and Lenka to have kids, for example, although it's obviously none of your business :) You were also claiming all kinds of unfavourable stuff about women and people in general who don't plan to have kids.

Like what? You mean calling you a 'spinster'?

Nope, worse.

It's not a nasty remark.

You don't know if I'm single though and I haven't noticed you calling men on this forum "bachelors" when you don't agree with them :)))

(and the poor guy in Kielce who has my sympathy ;)).

You see, and this is an unnecessary, mean remark. I may not agree with your views on marriage or whatever, but I'm not making such comments about your wife/you/your marriage.

Torq
29 Mar 2024  #690

You were telling me and Lenka to have kids, for example

Sound advice. I can only repeat it.

You were also claiming all kinds of unfavourable stuff about women and people in general who don't plan to have kids.

Oh, I still do. When somebody asks you if you know anybody who claims all kinds of unfavourable stuff about women and people in general who don't plan to have kids, you can tell them that you do, and mention me.

You see, and this is an unnecessary, mean remark.

No, this is what people call a joke.

Anyways, this whole conversation very quickly becomes predictable and therefore boring. I'm out of here. Happy Easter, everyone! :)


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