Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

Anyways as long as there is an assurance that in a place of Russia there would be a glass crust if they start something stupid, I say bring it on!

Nothing to worry about everybody dies sooner or later.

Geez, don't be so afraid, Ryszard. You're over 80 anyway, why are you so scared?


Exactly. So, either...

1. Bring it on b*tches

or

2. Shut the f*ck up.

*yaaaaaaawn*

Yes, and quite a few other safety nets/boltholes too. Although we the proletariat don't have millions to spend on a compound in Kenya or an estancia in the Andes there are still practical precautions we can take. That and ignoring Twitter Woo and supporting those statesmen and stateswomen in democratic societies who oppose r*SSia and other authoritarian entities.


That's the whole point of Mutually Assured Destruction. The clue is very much in the name.

Nukes are good. They end wars quickly.
The US dropped a couple of those beauties, Japs surrendered, and life as we know it didn't end.
Neither Russia nor the US has to use the biggest and the meanest all at once.
Memo to Russia: Nuke the wokest US cities first if you must. Start with San Francisco and Seattle.

"Perimeter" use all at once in authomatic mode. So, if someone will succeed in "owerwhelming attack" and destroy senior politicians and military command, after a double checks all ready to launch missiles will be on its prescribed way.

And the Galactic Darwin Award goes to... Humanity from planet Earth! *audience clapping* :)

Brilliant. With every generation people become more and more retarded (as can be witnessed on the Internet). Perhaps it is indeed the right time to stop the decline and exit the scene with dignity while we can still call ourselves human.

washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/10/ukraine-dmytro-kuleba-patriot-systems/

This is the sentiment you get when you get too involved in a war that is none of your fvcking business. The US should tell Ukraine that they are owed nothing, STFU and be grateful for what you get.

Then you have the western press calling for more attacks on Russian soil, when Ukraine cant defend itself. This is absolute lunacy mixed in with idiocy. David Cameron calling on the US to do more, is like Wells Fargo asking for a loan from HSBC. And congress now being idiots over how to fund this aid package, after small groups object to parts of the funding. This whole war is a cluster fvck on the west, and that is precisely what Vlad planned on and its all playing out to his benefit. The war is over, only thing left to do is redraw the map.

What?

Beofre the "parimeter" missiles start flying? So all the LGBTQRSTUVXZ, leftardism, social media, cultural marxism, Eurovision, mass immigration, Polish Ekstraklasa, wokism, and all other horrors, can continue? Whatever the f*ck for???

Take pills.

For those who pretend to "homo sapiens" writing on a price tag, mere existence of "Perimeter" system indicate "Prohibited" and "Not for sale" signs at once at some point. No more and no less... Nothing to talk about dignity and humanity. Simply stop at some red line, and do not try to dodge, like with Minsk Accords.

Where did you find Pawians daily teaching schedule for his grade one class?

Utter bollox!

The war is very far from over and if the west really don't want to get drawn into it, the only way is to support Ukraine.

The world cannot let Ukraine lose, otherwise WW3 is brewing.

Lies. :):):)

For how long? Before you answer, delete the US from "the West' first. Then reply.


Just the opposite. Russia is not Yugoslavia. NATO will not outlast Russia.


Why are you so afraid?

Impossible, the US IS "the West"!


I bet it does.........Russia, as it is now, cannot continue for very much longer, it is falling apart.......

@Miloslaw
Maybe we can agree that once Ukraine burns through this 60 billion they will get from the US, and all the F16s they are getting in the next three months that the war is over? Because nothing Ukraine can or will do at this point without a half million men added to fight is going to do $hit against Russia. This will be the last batch of aid from the US, and if Biden loses, Ukraine better be ready to sign a pease deal.

@amiga500


The fact that he has broken every treaty signed by him and his predecessors regarding Ukraine. Few leaders have done something similar in modern times, and when they did, they usually ended up being treated the same. There is zero reason to believe that any new one would be anything more than a temporary relief which he would use to rebuild his shattered army and attack later.

It makes sense from the Ukrainian side to continue the resistance. Their land is in a bad shape anyway, but Russia isn't yet. Every day of warfare increases the damage to Russia, and since Russia can not hope for Western economic assistance like Ukraine does, it further decreases their potential for another war down the line.

Very weird turnaround by the Biden administration (at very close to the same time)

Ukraine before - we'll get you what you need to win
Ukraine now - don't actually hurt russia! russia gets to attack you however it wants but you can't hit back!

Israel before - do what you need to do
Israel now - you need to talk and two state solution! Two state solution! (never mind that Palestinians have never really asked for a state and have no ability to run one).

What's the explanation?

I had assumed that Macron's face turn and Tusks quotes about war were due to receiving intelligence on russian aims.... but why such a climbdown by Biden on two fronts at the same time?

And it's also clear that Poland cannot and must not depend on NATO - if the US abandons Ukraine and Israel it will abandon Poland. Either a country keeps its word or it doesn't.... and the US record is not much better than russia's in honoring commitments.....

I am only afraid of watching Poland against Netherlands and France in Euro 2024 this summer.


This war is bullshit. In a proper war the weaker country that is attacked does everything to repel the invasion i.e. conducts proper mass mobilisation and switches the economy into war mode. Ukraine has done neither. Therefore Ukraine must think that it is not a proper war. How should we call a half-arsed war? A special operation maybe?

@mafketis
For Biden it has always been about politics and making himself appear to be something he is not. He is not a leader, he is a coward. A leader would have gone all in with Ukraine from the beginning to win this war. He never has and never will. Biggest fraud ever sitting in the White House.

@Torq
From the very beginning Ukraine has had opportunities to make something happen. Biden has fvcked Ukraine, and Ukraine has further fvcked itself. This was is over one way or another by 2025. Lets hope for Ukraines sake that Z actually does as he is told for a change, or Ukraine may not exist in 2025.

Exactly. Which means that n o 'negotiation' with him would be on good faith on his part.


We're probably going to have to remake NATO. It has been successful so far despite being a bureaucratic behemoth (in my last but one job I had to deal with part of them frequently and it was like wading through cotton wool) however nothing stays the same for ever and the part of NATO across the Atlantic and the parts on this side have changing priorities.


How odd that a politician should be involved in politics...


He is your current leader.

Which makes me more convinced of this conflict being a scherade for political leaders personal gains.

Zelensky will profit I reckon, Putin will profit and Bidens kids will be protected and profit.

While Euro leaders try to use it to their benefit to harness votes and money

Please list at least three LEGALLY BINDING agreements, that Putin broken without due procedure?

The first one
The last one
The next one

He is a liar, murderer, a thief and a coward. Certainly not to be compared to Hannibal

The Supreme Allied Commander Europe, General Cavoli, said this week that Russia has completely reconstituted its army, and that its ground forces are now 15% larger than when the war began.

Only 10% of the Air Force has been affected.

Only the Black Sea Fleet has suffered any attrition, whereas other fleets grew in strength.

Electronic warfare and cyber capabilities have multiplied.

Regardless of the outcome of the war in Ukraine, Russia is will be larger, more lethal, and angrier with the West than when it invaded.

Don't trust my word for it, and read the actual transcript of his testimony before the Armed Services Committee in the House.

Source: armedservices.house.gov/sites/republicans.armedservices.house.gov/files/USEUCOM%20GEN%20Cavoli%20CPS_HASC_2024.pdf

I wasn't looking for campaign/partisan slogans.... there's something going on and I'm wondering what it is and where it's coming from.

Some people think that they don't want Ukraine attacking russian oil because they're worried about gas prices in an election year but Israel?

I don't get it....

russia is warlike and primitive and violent and wants to steal things from other countries..... yaaaaawwwnnnnnn

wake me when russia decides to tackle its crumbling sh1t infrastructure and sh1t political system with a god king.... how embarassing is it to have to pretend to love your tsar....

how do you even look in the mirror....


russia doesn't care about the west... russian anger is all about externalizing eternal domestic failure and russian inability to create a culture/society that normal people would want to live in

@mafketis

All I wanted to say is that Russia is already stronger than when it invaded, according to one of America's top generals.

Perhaps he is trying to scare the good Republican representatives into providing more aid. Maybe he thinks a message like this would heighten their sense of urgency. It's possible, that Russia's "reconstitution" has a more quantitative rather than qualitative bent.

However it may be, this demolishes one of your crowd's main argument points that keeping Russia busy in Ukraine will bleed it to a point that it stops representing a threat.

Russia now has a half a million of battle hardened troops. Can you collect even ten thousand men across the entire West, that have "combat experience"?

The threat has grown despite/thanks to your effort.

Never my argument (that was polamkrakow's idea) the west needed to go all in around may of 2022 and drive russia out. Now a lot of countries in Europe will pay the price as russia starts invading other countries and the US support will be seen as a liability... a coward ally that deserts you at critical moments.