Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 11

What happened was Poles, unfortunately. Poland has mutilated the Ukrainian language. Filling it with an infinite number of Polonisms.


For a long time they spoke a peasant dialect. Still, in many southwestern parts of Russia, people speak more like Ukrainians than Russians.

Speaking Ukrainian, for a long time, meant that you were uneducated, likely cultivating the land, and very religious.

In some ways, this makes them the repository of true "Russiannness" - but the problem is when they take it too far and begin pretending they are a different people than us.

...man....what a mess!

Many people truly will have conflicted feelings....

What will happen in the Ukrainian-Russian conflict, if the escalation ladder is properly controlled, is pretty much clear: a couple of more years of fighting (the USA will decide how many more), then a negotiated peace, and then NATO troops (mostly Polish) on the demarcation line, guarding the demilitarized zone.

However, this...


... is also a possibility for a number of reasons.

The most important conflict that will shape the future world is definitely the American-Chinese one. All the rest are kindergarten brawls. In this conflict China seems to be holding most of the trump (hmm...) cards; they have higher GDP (PPP), larger industrial base, more capital, and population of 1.4 billion - the situation is exactly reverse to previous American wars where it was the USA who had advantage in all those fields.

So, before the war in Ukraine, the biggest Polish fear was the "Reverse Kissinger", where America allies herself to Russia against China, for which Russia receives a modest remuneration of Eastern and Central Europe. Logically, back then, there was no reason why America shouldn't have done that. The conflict in Ukraine delayed this scenario, but is it still possible? I wonder. Russian elites seem to be thinking that China is going to win, but the problem is that Russia cannot very well ally herself to China long-term if she dreams of being something else in the future than a Chinese semi-vassal, so who knows... a very complicated middle game with a lot of tactics possible.


War? Has anyone declared war on anybody? Has anyone broken diplomatic relations with anyone? Has anyone properly mobilised? etc. *sighs* A sad theatre for retards rather than a war, but I understand that "Sad Theatre For Retards" is not a very catchy name, so let's stick with Special Military Operation (or just call it a conflict).


Hmm... perhaps a statement somewhat premature. And it would be honest to mention that your army that started the war two years ago is also pretty much dead; those who were in the first wave of invasion, then a lot of the reserves, the boys from Królewiec slaughtered too. Totally unnecessary affair.

According to a recent poll... 81% want russian to have no public role in Ukraine in the future....

Clearly speaking russian is dangerous because crazed psychopaths will claim that they are russian and invade.... remove russian from Ukraine root and stem and branch (as Estonia and Latvia have finally started doing).

Hardly 'delusional' given the state they're in.

It's not looking good for r*SSia.


Quite. I don't see people risking their lives in dinghies to get to Togliatti or Irkutsk.


Didn't work, did it...

They're your implacable enemy now.

Yeah, and now I did it myself. This conflict is so messed up that nobody even knows how to properly call it. :)


I wouldn't say implacable.

@Tacitus
Actually, I can see the US not allowing any export to Ukraine of military items under a new President. Thats whats kept F16s from Ukraine this long.

Ukraine cannot win without men. That is the simple and final definition of this war. Until that is solved, all the talk in the world cant save the Ukraine men on the front lines from being killed.

I would. I've never seen such active contempt.

@jon357

Probably a case of seeing what you want to see. Happens all too often.

And so many people in. PL who don't want to see r*SSians. I've even met a woman who refused to eat pierogi r*skie...

Your r*SSophilia is the exception not the rule...

Of course you realise that it's a Ukrainian dish?

Far more than r*SSian naturally. Fortunately so many shops have renamed them now.

The name pierogi ruskie comes from Ruś Czerwona (Eastern Galicia). To make it even more funny, in Ukraine they are often called "Polish".

See Jon, my dear son of a Brit, continental Europe is a complicated thing. :)


Because they are run by retards who don't know etymology of words in their own language. Alas.

Yes, I'm originally from somewhere far more complicated and in any case have lived in Poland since you were in short trousers.

Though I first knew pierogi as perohey, Ukranians call them that and seem to prefer the stodgier kind as the less sophisticated among us in Poland often do.


Or by decent people, who like most Poles hate r*SSia with a pasion.

BS! What happened was history it doesn't need to be one blob taka takes half of the continent nor some uniform BS story about sameness.

Those parts were developing separately for more than 700 years and hence became different people. Hell Mocovites are not even a nation but an empire if you would lose your statehood you wouldn't survive more than 100 years.

Your brotherly love was demonstrated in Novogrod where all the people were killed or resettled to Siberia and Muscovites moved in. Ha! selling BS as usual.

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What? It is a Polish dish. Geez!
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Do they have a gay party?
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Well, in a sense it is, but historically bishop Odrowąż brought the recipe for pierogi dough from his trip to Kiev, so the entire dish is originally more Ukrainian than Polish, I suppose.


Not very likely, given the official stance of Russian Federation on homosexualism. Although... sometimes the official stance is not what is actually practiced. :)

That's what classifies Poles as suicidal idiots.

What is the upside to hating Russia? If you hate Russia beyond your control at least don't tell them how you feel every damn day, morons...

What the fvck do you, Polish idiots, gain from this? Feeling better? It's like a woman saying: I hate you and I want a divorce! Poles and women are that stupid...

"Implacable" my ass...Germans gave Poland some dough and the "implacable" enemy became a very huggable friend.

Kyiv my ass! Maybe they got it from Mongols and Mongols from China. Why make it so complex.?
It is not a rocket science, Specifficaly Ruskie pierogi orgined in Lwowskie (wojewodzctwo Ruskie) for about 700 years a part of the Polish Kingdom.
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Official or not it looks like they are gathering to have their gay party going, Should we call it a Belorusan pride summit?
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Poles are too good for their good, They should have hung all the Soviets but they didn't and you are still walking and trolling.

Kyiv would be liberated soon from banderist yoke. Then, campaign against nazism continuing. We can only wonder where would it finish. In Brussels or Rome or maybe in Bonn or Paris. Who knows. Maybe in all those places. God knows, people there deserve to be free.

You are too stupid to realize that you just justified Katyn.

As I said, I liked the Soviets. When they came, I could play outside without fear of getting shot by the Germans or the AK.

In a garbage dump somewhere near Donetsk.

I doubt. When Russians put their hands on Pope, it goes all the way to Siberia. Pope would finally become Santa Claus.

Why would the AK shoot you?


But Pope is pro-Russian (NATO barking at Russia's door, I don't know who the aggressor is etc.)! Brat Bergoglio is properly pan-Slavic. :)

you trust to Pope? Man, I woudn`t take a walnut from his hand.

You wouldn't take your hands from his nuts (if you knew how pan-Slavic he is).

Not so much sometimes as always.


I knew someone called that, a Warsaw journalist now sadly dead. He hyphenated it onto his surname. A really nice person.


Do you know pierogi Lwowskie? Filled with a rather nice bolognese type filling. They were cfreated for the opening of the Hotel Georges (still open btw) back in the 1930s.

walnut, not nut.

Well, he would need to do more.

The papal chamberlain does that just after the white smoke. They have a special stool with a hole in. To avoid a recurrence of Pope Joan...

You edited your post. I was faster. This is PF, you have to be careful with your words :)


I don't think I needed to know that. Oh, well...

Yes. I heard for that travesty.

Why is Poland still part of it?


Never mind I. Show must go on. Show must go on.

Until we all face nuclear EMP.