Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 11

That's Russia's problem and your deflection.

My problem is that as a US taxpayer, I contribute to the death of your Ukrainian brothers. Their blood is on your hands and mine. Russian blood drips off of Russians, not me.


Talk to the Japs. They will tell you if casualties are the metric of failure.

BTW, contrary to the misguided pussified idiots, in every war, the first objective should be to inflict as many civilian casualties as possible. If the US had ten 10-megatone nukes on Dec 8, 1941, millions would be spared. Unfortunately, the US had only 2, very weak, and very late.

And why is the number of dead Ukrainians fighting an invasion army such a worry to you, or not? Do you only care about dead Ukrainians, why raise it all the time?

Please note that he never mentions how many Russians have been caught, because then he would have to admit that he uses Russian propaganda numbers that put the number of Russian fatalities at a fraction of the alleged Ukrainian losses.

No, stupid Polaks...I mention those dead Ukrainians to remind you, morons, that they are dead BECAUSE of you and other Western azholes like you.

If not for you, dumb Polaks, Biden, and BJ, this war would have been over two years ago, and Ukraine would have kept D and L as long as it remained neutral.

You and other hard-core azholes are unable to accept this simple truth because you are American wh*res.

This is not a contest in who says what.

I am accusing you, Western morons, of war crimes - not against the Russians but against your friends in Ukraine. That's 100 times worse...watching them die...while being able to stop it...

That court in the Hague should issue arrest warrants for Z, B, P, and other Western me-too war criminals.

Your arguments are getting more and more absurd.

You constantly talk about your fantasies of shooting any hypothetical home intruders. What you are advocating now is the equivalent of surrendering to the intruders non existing mercy while putting the arms manufacturer who gave you your gun on trial.

We could stop it with a NATO attack on Russia, is that what you propose?

You can wiggle all you want...

You feed the war. You are responsible for the deaths. Period.

Don't give me any of that "...but Russia..." shlt.

Russians are fighting their war. You, German scum, don't. Stay the fvck away and quit pretending that you matter. It's a war between the US and Russia with useful idiots in between.

Also...You and other NATO scumbags didn't force Russia out in over 2 years, so you know damn well that you will not be able to do it in the next 2 years. See Vietnam...

@Novichok


Nonsense. Putin and the Russians are responsible for the deaths and the ones who could stop them immediately by withdrawing from Ukraine.


Vietnam was a picknick for the US compared to what the Russians are facing. They cant break the Ukrainians if we keep on supporting Kiev, then Russia will lose eventually.

Hey, idiot, let me remind you what the word responsibility means. Legally, responsibility is a"but for" concept and is allocatable in percent.

A boxing referee is not 100% responsible for a death in the ring but is responsible for allowing a lopsided fight to continue. If he does, he should be sued and charged criminally.

Western azholes are that referee - watching men die and smiling like imbeciles...content that they are doing the right thing...

In 1939, Germany attacked Poland. During the invasion, 66,000 Poles died and 135,000 were wounded. The campaign ended on Oct 6, 1939.

This comes out to 40,000 casualties per week.

Now this question: If it was logistically possible for the US to airdrop all the guns and ammo Poland could use, should the US do THAT?

Answer this question first. If you don't, I promise to ignore you for as long as I am on this forum. As I see it, you are an embarrassment to Germans and Germany.


No. Russia will not. Even the US gov knows it. All they want is an exit ramp and a way to make Americans forget that we blew 200B and caused 600,000 Ukrainian deaths.

That makes you a stand-alone (fill in your own noun)....

Quoting:

The West made a first huge miscalculation in not respecting the Minsk accord and dismissing Russia's warnings. The result is the destruction of Ukraine, the loss of hundreds of thousands lives, and the fall of Europe economies. The West is about to make another bigger mistake that could trigger a worst response from Russia, a response that the West still does not believe it can happen. It will.

Using Google Maps, I just visited Donetsk... What a beautiful city... I could live there...

Now I better understand why this war takes so long. Russia simply doesn't want to destroy Ukraine's history and places or kill civilians.

In that sense, the French and the Germans were right to spare Paris. Only stupid people don't care about such things.

Speaking of Donetsk.... here's an interesting interview with a formerly exclusively russian speaking Ukrainian from Donetsk and award winning author (in russia) who switched to Ukrainian after the russian invasion.

Does he blame russian culture for the invasion? Short answer..... yes.

Has the 'russian world' brought anything good to Donetsk? Short answer..... no.

kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-writer-volodymyr-rafeyenko-on-russias-war-everyone-says-culture-has-nothing-to-do-with-it-it-does/

@Novichok


This is a Polish forum and you are supposedly from Poland, so I am reluctant to ask but... You do know that German (and Soviet) occuppation ended up far more destructive to Poland than the initially relatively brief invasion right? And you do know German plans for Poland if they had not invaded the SU later on? As it was, 20% of the Polish people ended up murdered ffs.

Honestly, how ignorant can someone be.... .


Ukraine has been blowing Russian for more than 2 years now. Russians have barely advanced during this time and not succeeded in conquering a single regional capitol. The vast majority of Ukrainian is still free from Russian oppression thanks to their determination and our support. They have a decent shot at remaining free. If that is not a worthy cause, what is?


From you, I take this as a compliment.


Again, your ignorance is staggering. Russia has not only deliberately bombed any village and town to the ground that resisted their invasion, there is also plenty of evidence suggesting that they target cultural sites.

sapiens.org/archaeology/ukraine-cultural-heritage-war-destruction/

If it was logistically possible for the US to airdrop all the guns and ammo Poland could use in 1939, should the US do THAT?

Yes or no?

Of course they should have given any support that was possible. How can one suggest otherwise, knowing the reality of German occuppation in Poland?

Would the Germans lose the 1939 invasion of Poland with the US dropping guns and ammo?

Yes or no?

It wasn't just a German invasion in 1939 - they were helped by their soviet allies

So I doubt extra arms would have done much good

The Polish army would lost anyway due to their poor strategic situation. Those weapons however would have greatly aided the Polish home army. Who knows what kind of actions they would have been able to undertake.

...and another 200k would be added as casualties for the same outcome: Poland losing. Is this correct?

Those weapons could have been a huge help, maybe not. Given the possibility, not providing them would have been a huge moral and political mistake.

Russia is the only party capable of immediately ending the war unilaterally. If they unilaterally withdraw to their February 24, 2022 positions and declare a cease-fire, the war ends.

Strange that you don't place any onus on Russia to immediately end the war, either unilaterally or by offering terms that Ukraine will find immediately acceptable. Even though Russia is the side with the most power to affect an immediate peace. They wouldn't even have to give anything up, only return to the prewar status quo.

It only seems to be Ukraine and those who support Ukraine that have a responsibility to surrender or offer concessions according to you.

But it doesn't matter. Russia is losing, and the longer Russia drags out their war of aggression the worse it will be for them.

Answer my last question or stay out of it...

...and another 200k would be added as casualties for the same outcome: Poland losing. Is this correct?

Yes Poland would have lost to the Nazi / Soviet invaders whatever happened

I thought you were in favour of owning guns to protect yourself against tyrannical government? Yet you believe that Poles should not have been supplied with the means to defend themselves against the worst government in history.

Again, German occuppation killed 20% of the Polish people, and it would have been significantly more if German plans had succeeded, with the survivors being little more than slaves.

There is no guarantee that more support might have helped in the long run, but it could have hardly made things worse.

If you are trying to draw an analogy to Russian-Ukrainian conflict, it doesn't make any sense.

Poland was attacked by the Third Reich from the west, south and north and by the Soviet Union from the east. We were surrounded by enemies. Ukraine, on the other hand, fights Russia only and, apart from Belarus, is surrounded by friendly countries who aid her in her struggle. A completely different situation.

Besides, we can pretty much already say that Ukraine - thanks for foreign aid - managed to defend her independence. They may or may not lose some land, but they will survive as an independent country. So, yes, it was definitely worth it to support them against Russian aggression.

These martyrs are giving to the future generation the incentive to keep fighting, rebelling, uprising after uprising , no matter what loses.
Thanks to that attitude Poland has risen like a phoenix from the ashes after 123 years of subjugation.

If anything the fitting analogy would be the Soviet invasion of Finnland. Which Finnland lost in the end, yet they caused enough trouble for the Soviets to abandon their plans to completely annex the country or to install a puppet government.

And who knows what the Finns could have achieved with proper support from other European countries... .

The time to "support" Ukraine has passed.

Now, keyboard heroes, you support deaths.

Congratulations. You are war criminals but too stupid to realize it.