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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 11



johnny reb
3 Jun 2024  #1141

Another redline crossed.
Ukraine's first use of US missiles to blast targets in Russia
The Russian weapons platform is typically used by Moscow to down any aerial threats from Kyiv but also used as an offensive weapon to deliver punishing missile strikes on Ukrainian cities.

The attack comes days after biden for the first time gave Kyiv limited permission to deploy American-made weapons on targets inside Russia in a bid to stem Putin 's debilitating strikes on Ukraine's second city of Kharkiv.

jon357
3 Jun 2024  #1142

Ukraine is reportedly scheming to destroy the Kerch Bridge

More planning than scheming. An honest, a highly appropriate and a long overdue plan.

It's certainly been a bad month for North Nigeria

And it's likely to get worse.

Of course r*SSia can't just fight a war honestly, as the recent arrests of traitors has shown plus the allegations of trying to sabotage this year's Olympics.

Bobko
3 Jun 2024  #1143

pretty retarded as a casus belli

As far as retarded casus bellis go, I know a couple:

1) Let's wreck AFGHANISTAN, after 15 Saudis, two Emiratis, an Egyptian, and a Lebanese attack skyscrapers in New York. Also, let's not ask the Saudis any awkward questions, and for further assurance - let's make it illegal to investigate in that direction.

2) Let's attack Iraq, because some washed out lowlife that was ousted by Saddam says they are buying "yellow cake" in Niger. Let's trust this guy fully, and ignore all the other evidence that indicates this is a fabricated story.

3) Let's bomb Libya back to the Stone Age, because the Ghaddafi government is doing TOO GOOD A JOB pushing ISIS-backed Islamists back into the desert. This mission should be especially easy, because we fooled old man Ghaddafi into surrendering all his WMDs just a few years before the war. Amazing that - let's bomb Saddam because he MAY have WMDs, and... let's bomb Ghaddafi because he DOESN'T have WMDs. You can't win against the West - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The common thread throughout... is that there really isn't anything you can do to avoid being invaded by a Western coalition. Not having anything to do with some tragic act, is not insurance against it being blamed on you regardless. Having weapons of mass destruction, or not having them - doesn't make a difference. Fighting Islamist terrorists - or aiding them - doesn't matter either.

If they want to f*ck you - they will f*ck you.

Novichok
3 Jun 2024  #1144

Of course r*SSia can't just fight a war honestly,

This is more than ironic coming from the LGBT nation where every single thing is a lie so obvious and childish that it makes you wonder if you dealing with retarded and lobotomized kids.

Would you like some examples? Here is one: A man can be a woman if he says "I am a woman". No wig, bra, and lipstick needed...Just that sentence...

I wish "I am cancer-free" was so simple. I would skip the radiation...

You can't win against the West - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Just kill them...and ask questions later...

cms neuf
3 Jun 2024  #1145

Ha ha Bobko we can run it as a double feature with PolAm's

Rednecks Say No

Trump voters won't stand for any missiles being sent to Ukraine

The North Nigerians tanks will be in Kiev in June

Bobko
3 Jun 2024  #1146

there really isn't anything you can do to avoid being invaded by a Western coalition.

It's much easier to read Russia and understand what not to do in order to stay on its good side.

It's impossible to please the West, unless you get on all fours and open your anus wide - like the Eastern Europeans.

The result is countries like Romania, the Baltics, Bulgaria, and others having 30% less people than in 1991 - and a non existent future.

mafketis
3 Jun 2024  #1147

If they want to f*ck you - they will f*ck you.

jealous?

So... the problem with "А у вас негров линчуют" as an argument is that you're setting your invasion of Ukraine as being morally equivalent to the US's disastrous and wrong interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya (technically only Iraq was an invasion).

So either you support them all or you despise them all equally or.... you're just a hypocrite. I despise what the US has done and what russia is doing because I'm consistent.

So... are you for or against all of them?

Bobko
3 Jun 2024  #1148

I despise what the US has done and what russia is doing because I'm consistent.

Oh is that so?

When will I hear you call Americans something like "fentanyl-ridden apes" or "Cheetos-munchin slobs" or "Mongrel race of slaves and beaners"?

You seem to reserve your most choice insults for one nation, and one nation only.

Why do America's transgressions only warrant a "tsk tsk", and Russian ones make you enter into Himmler mode and talk in a way people haven't talked since the 1940s?

This is what makes us suspicious that maybe you do harbor some strange plans for us.

mafketis
3 Jun 2024  #1149

You seem to reserve your most choice insults for one nation, and one nation only.

I show some loyalty to my fellow vulnerable citizens who've been targeted by a number of dysfunctional policies over the years.

I have no loyalty to russians so they get my full (and highly articulate) disdain... and I don't insult them for things beyond their control but for the choices they make and continue to make everyday (to disengage from reality and passively support one of the worst governments in the world and passively accept being robbed blind.... but they don't understand the idea of money so.... what are you gonna do?).

Bobko
3 Jun 2024  #1150

I have no loyalty to russians

I have the deepest and most unbreakable loyalty to Russia, and yet I never allow myself the things you allow yourself - when speaking about the United States.

I respect America.

It is a great country, with a great people, and a great history.

What prevents you from saying the same about Russia?

mafketis
3 Jun 2024  #1151

What prevents you from saying the same about Russia?

The truth.

russia could have been a superpower. It has the natural resources and educational capital but it has chosen the path that prevents it from being a superpower (hyper stratification and thugocracy and kleptocracy and a longing for empire) and wants to be treated like something it's not.

It could turn around and be a superpower but it would have to give up the idea of empire and spread the wealth to everyday citizens and invest in things like education and the arts in ways.... it probably never will.

As has been said before by others.... russia's tragedy is that it wants the rewards of being a modern industrial capitalist country without actually modernizing or building up things like the rule of law.

Japan and Korea have done it and punch far above their weight internationally... China is now staggering because dictatorships can't really flourish in the modern world.

What's stopping russia?

Bobko
3 Jun 2024  #1152

russia could have been a superpower

Since it was created - Russia has been a superpower. There may have been moments of weakness in between, but being a superpower is our natural state. If we are not one now, then one day soon, we will be one again.

it wants the rewards of being a modern industrial capitalist country

If this is the case, then what allows us to be the number one energy exporter in the world, number one in a long list of metals, and perhaps number two or three in the world when it comes to tech (only China and America have a more developed tech infrastructure)?

Why does Germany or France not have a Yandex or Mail.ru or Kaspersky?

punch far above their weight internationally

Both Korea and Japan are minnows in comparison to Russia, and you know this. Nobody listens to Korea and Japan. The whole world is trying to solve Russia's problems now.

Mr Grunwald
3 Jun 2024  #1153

Since it was created - Russia has been a superpower.

A great power and regional leader since 17th century peaking at middle of 18th before clumsily challenging British global hegemony with a war against the Ottomons and being defeated by an emerging Asian power Japan.

As part of Soviet Union competing with U.S.A ideologically, being able to influence states in on every continent but, with limited success in south and North America.

A superpower can not only influence but, have military presence within a very short period of time compared to other powers, globally. (Meaning on every possible continent)

Just thinking about the economic expense in itself is mind boggling to want this, yet China and Russia try to take it from U.S.A... I honestly don't get it

cms neuf
3 Jun 2024  #1154

Your achievements are some crappy search engines that would be wiped out in a competitive market ?

They are only big businesses because Putler banned the internet (unless it's for amateur ****)

Why hasn't North Nigeria produces a Dassault or a Rheinmetall ?

As for North Nigeria being more important than Japan ? You can launch another farcical attack on them and then enslave the Japs to work in your 24 hour sushi bars LOL

The whole civilized world listens to Japan (often on Japanese stereos). They are the best example of how to rebuild a feudal society after defeat. Will be worth studying in Omsk

Bratwurst Boy
3 Jun 2024  #1155

Why does Germany or France not have a Yandex or Mail.ru or Kaspersky?

We are in a period of weakness? :)

...and btw....Germania's "Barbarians" beat Rome at it's height....you can't get any more super power than this! *gloats abit himself* :)

But I do miss my Kaspersky, I admit.....

Tacitus
3 Jun 2024  #1156

@Bobko

Since it was created - Russia has been a superpower

Nonsense. At which point from before 1945 do you look at Russia and think: That is a Superpower alright. Russia was not even the most powerful country in Europe before the end of WWII.

Novichok
3 Jun 2024  #1157

What prevents you from saying the same about Russia?

A mental disorder aka RDS. There is no known cure for it.

Velund
3 Jun 2024  #1158

We are in a period of weakness? :)

You are in a period of weak stupidness. Your so called "elites" sell you to their masters at a deep discount, and germans look at this as to unsuccessful round of computer game.

Novichok
3 Jun 2024  #1159

Memo to PF Russians:

Please include at least one azhole, moron, imbecile, or fvck what discussing this was with your enemies.

It reads easier and shows your grasp of American English.

Velund
3 Jun 2024  #1160

Why hasn't [sign of stupidity removed] produces a Dassault or a Rheinmetall ?

Because they produced Uralvagonzavod, Kalashnikov, Votkino, Izmash, Almaz-Antey and so on, so on...

cms neuf
3 Jun 2024  #1161

Weapons that were big in the 80s and still highly regarded by Somalian terrorists and in Pakistani honor killings

Not much use against modern weapons

Korvinus
3 Jun 2024  #1162

coming from the LGBT nation

LOL..

Russian army is the gayest institution in the world. Not even the biggest pride parade in San Francisco has as much gay sex as one night in chechen milk extraction farms where mobiks works tirelessly without any rest. And this is why RU has such high hiv rates.

And despite the forced conscription in UA, I saw no news about UA recruits being forced into gay prostitution/chechen milk extraction like regularly happens in RU army. twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1505923013643972611

foxnews.com/story/group-russian-soldiers-forced-into-prostitution

Novichok
3 Jun 2024  #1163

Not much use against modern weapons

600,000 dead Ukrainians would disagree.

I talked to one just now and he asked me to tell stoopid Polaks that their support killed him and his buddies last week.

I hope you will rot in hell...

Velund
3 Jun 2024  #1164

Not much use against modern weapons

Good boy. Continue to say that, k*rwa. The more enemies think that we are stupid orcs with a passed eon weapons - the funnier will be to see them in a trenches once bandera prayers will finish to move to bandera's current premises in hell. ;)

Tacitus
3 Jun 2024  #1165

So now you are at 600k Ukrainians killed?

Novichok
3 Jun 2024  #1166

Why are shocked? How many did you Germans kill from Sept 39 till May 45?

Korvinus
3 Jun 2024  #1167

600,000 dead Ukrainians would disagree.

Whether you admit it or not, Russia has also suffered casualties. That's the difference. Thousands of Russian tanks are in pieces now. Thousands of Russian troops are feeding the crows.

One scenario offers a definite loss in power via disarmament, the other offers an uncertain loss, but with a loss for your enemy in return.

And casualties aren't the metric of success or failure in a war, but victory. If you lose 100k and are conquered, especially by a genocidal enemy, it's a lot worse than losing a million and winning. Ask the USSR. Millions dead, but they won. There'd be no Russia if they'd agreed to a similar deal with Germany in WW2.

If Ukraine loses power due to disarmament and Russia remains at the same level and is able to increase the amount of troops and equipment, how is that better for Ukraine?

The only way it's "better" is that Russia would be able to conquer them quickly next time. And that's the real reason it's so appealing an idea to you.

Tacitus
3 Jun 2024  #1168

Would be just interesting what your sources are, or if you made it up like a few months ago when you claimed 500k Ukrainians had been killed.

cms neuf
3 Jun 2024  #1169

You forgot to mention the nukes Velund

Velund
3 Jun 2024  #1170

You've, psia krew, already been reminded just in case, that's more than enough. Then it is up to you to decide when and in what form to appear before St. Peter.

Threats are usually a sign of impossibility. ;)


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