Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 12

Brate, we are all lucky that Serbian discomfort focus on institution of the Pope and not on Catholicism in entirety. You would then be forced to renounce Catholicism. But, its not the case. Its just Pope. Take us, we already gave up from Patriarch of Constantinople. That imp. Popes are also imps if they can organize genocide on your kin. So you now organize your own head of Church and forget outside bandmaster. So we move on together as ever.

What else can you do here, as a decent man?

You Poles were willing to play nice game with the papacy but, Popes failed. Just move on and don`t turn your head back. They did it to itself.

@Crow

Brate, it seems to me that Serbians are more successful when they focus on basketball and tennis, than overthrowing the Pope.

Its process. You can`t tell I am wrong. What you, if you are Polish, have with Popes if they organized genocide on Serbs. Nothing. If you respect Popes then you negate yourself. That Pope did. By committing genocide on Serbians, they lost Poland on the long run.

Just google on facts. Its well known but, power of the papacy just keep it silent. Not for long. Not for long. Forget credibility of religious center if countries start to accuse it for the genocide in international courts or on UN sessions.

I'm not Polish.

Google will pretty much tell you anything you want it to, you just have to massage the algorithm.

Then nothing is important anymore. You can go around and kill and ever say its algorithm.


You feel Sarmatian?

@Ironside


Germany is projected to provide €7 billion [£6billion] this year to Ukraine compared to the UK's £2.5 billion, that is nearly three times as much.'

google.com/amp/s/dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13221075/amp/Britains-military-aid-Ukraine-dwarfed-Germany.html

Plus all the humanitarian and financial aid.

Meanwhile France has pledged 2,5 bn€ for this year and Italy and Spain each around 1bn€ and Poland has not made any significant pledges for this year as far as I know. And even though there is a budget crisis that threatens the Scholz government, one of the few things they seemingly have been able to agree on is raising the budget for military aid in 2025 to 15 bn€ with possibly another 3bn€ allocated to Ukraine for this years.

If all European countries were "shrinking" from their support for Ukraine like Germany is, than the Ukrainians would be in a much better place right now.


You should look up the timeline again. Germany started sending weapons within days to Ukraine, heavy weapons followed in lockstep with the USA and UK and the German systems that really made a difference - Gepards and Iris-T- were being prepared/produced from May on.

Who gives a sh*t. Man.

What Germany already? What Germany? Run from Germany as fast as you can. When Russians lose nerves this time, that`s it for Germany. Oblivion. The end. Game over.

@Tacitus
Lets not forget Poland is taking care of and providing help to millions of Ukranians. I think thats more than an equal trade off for weapons.

It is equal trade. Very equal. Historic role of Poland as loser finally changed. Let Germany just continue to send weapons to Ukraine and let Poland continue to help refugees.

@PolAmKrakow


Other countries are taking care of refugees too, yet are nevertheless sending aid as well. Besides sending weapons now helps us avoid a scenario im which Ukraine loses and we (and chiefly Poland) are stuck with 5m+ additional Ukrainian refugees.

Poland is one of the countries that needs to step up massively with their contribution in the case of a 2nd Trump presidency.

Sending more weapons to Ukraine is like sending more Zyklon to Auschwitz. It will help kill more people...but the result will be the same...Russia will win.


Don't worry...There will be no 2nd Trump presidency...

I am not sure how the DC mafia will pull this off but they will...

@Novichok


Meanwhile Russia is killing actual Holocaust survivors in Ukraine.

don't waste arguments on a narcissistic liar (probably doesn't even believe half the things he writes, just wants a crumb of attention... don't give it to him).

Only if those survivors shoot at the Russians. If they stop, the war stops. Just as it happened in Poland in 1939.

This is the best policy.

Although Germany was slow to start with help, have elements of their population who support r*SSia, and key figures in their army have been both difficult and sluggish, it's hard to fault their government's financial help to Ukraine. It's also easy to forget that they're in a uniquely strange position since East Germany and West Germany are still very different, despite reunification.

Great, I will sit and wait for them to do something.

I'm sure it made a hell lot of difference for people who got the bullet in the back of their head or were sent to the concentration camps in Siberia or Kazakhstan. They ganged up with Germans on our asses and partnered in genocide.

"Only" 20% of the pre-war Polish population was exterminated. Russians probably would expect that we thank them for this.

You Germans step in. Dic* in hands and push for it. If you and papacy didn`t kill that much Poles thru history they could step up but now they are spent and helping as they can, with refuges.


Exactly. You look Hungary and Serbia. And calmly. Do what we do.

I wasn't there but I can almost hear this from the Polish officers way before they were executed in Katyn:

We hate you, red pigs!

We will kill you!

Niech zyje Polska!

To Hell with the Red menace!

So the Soviets concluded that these guys were their mortal enemies.

Now, I could be wrong and maybe those Polish officers offered to work and learn Russian. I don't know...One thing for sure...Poles have a strange relationship with their instinct of self-preservation.

Do you know why they let me leave Poland in 1966? I left "communist" Poland because neither my father nor I were classical Polish morons and heroes who would spit into the face of a guy with a gun.

Let's be honest here you weren't Polish either way no matter the definition.

I was just looking last comments of Serbian Geo-strategic and military experts. As you know, we in Serbia have much more information from round the globe then you people in Poland or in States, for example. Not to speak of western Europe.

Here it is in short. All experts agree... Comparing to pre WW2 situation we are now in between 1938 and 1939 years and we all pushing strongly in direction of 1941. How long we have for WW3 once it starts opinions vary. In average, they agree up to 10-20 years of hell. It would be complete bloodbath in Europe and world (mentioned on the side note, they were focused on Europe). All countries that made mistake will be erased from the map. All artificial countries and nations will be erased from the map. All countries that aren`t energy and resources stable will be erased from the map. Crisis will end in agreement of formed global civilizations or humanity will be restarted or self-destroyed.

So, this will happen not just in our lives but, one of these days. They say period between `1939 to 1941` can be from 1 to 5 years and then we are at 1941...

I agree.

That 1500zl a month removed all doubts. Just a year later, three days after my arrival here, I was making $98,000, adjusting for inflation

The west will survive despite half of the population die and Russia will be erased from the map. It's still mutually assured destruction except Russia would be destroyed much worse compared to combined power of NATO. But good thing Russia is ruled by corrupt dudes even whose mistresses have yachts, those people are serving themselves first and the Russian state second (if at all), so nobody will launch the nukes in Russia unless they are truly desperate.

you sure what you speak. When that start, China don`t have choice but to support Russia. And all Asian states that are Chinese satellites. Let`s say its 10.000 ICBM`s each side, side around USA and, side around Russia. Let`s say only 1/3 of it explode. You want to live in such a world. Radiated. With collapsed medical systems like during the Corona (what we all now see that was preparation for WW3 situation). Plague will return. Pandemics unimaginable. No medical care.

Then, add to it tactical nukes. Then add to it cosmic armament....rod of God, pebbles, etc, etc. No satellites. No space actually.

You call it victory for anybody. Think twice.

Well, just wait for few years. Its here and we shall see. Serbian experts say WW3 will happen. Its only question what level of escalation in ultimate finish. But hell is inevitable.

If past centuries teach us any lesson it is this: strong, aggressive Russia is a problem to all its neighbours; weak, divided Russia is a problem mostly to itself. And so it is quite obvious what its neighbours would aim for.

It's always pro-Putin crowd speaking about the possibility of WW3. Why? Because it's a scaremongering tactics. Russians and their lackeys have no other arguments.

No moral argument - because they are warmongering ******** invading another country.
No economic argument - because the West needs nothing from Russia except for raw materials. And is fixing the situation with raw materials right now.

They used to try and scare the West with the might of the Russian military. "We may repeat" Russians used to say, which was intended to remind Westerners of the Soviet push to Berlin in the years 1943-45. And threaten them with another western offensive - this time against them. But since the Russian army got bogged down in Ukraine, stopped by a military of a much weaker, much poorer country, this threat no longer works. It might have still been effective against the Baltic States, but NATO sent enough soldiers East to repel any such effort.

So what remains for the morally bankrupt, poverty-stricken Russia? The threat of its nuclear arsenal (as long as they're able to fund its serious upkeep). Any effort to counter Russian imperialistic efforts are met with suggestions of using nuclear missiles.

If it was formulated by early communists, those from 30-50s, it may have been more effective. Some of them were true believers, ready to die for the victory of communism. But Russian cleptocrats of today have no strong ideological drive. And Putin himself is one of the main cleptocrats, with a fortune worth billions of $. Such people do not commit nuclear suicide. So the world shrugs and keeps sanctioning Russia to hell and aiding Ukrainians with more and more shiny weaponry.

And yes, experts says peripheral countries around each side will be first targets. As centers, USA, Russia and China will wait till the last moment to end the even bigger escalation or to start final escalation onto centers.


Its actually story of the Roman Empire and Catholic Church, Catholic powers and also Protestant powers. But, not just on neighbors. Rather globally.

In other words... a bunch of idiots....

I am sad you Poles can`t see this. I understand your competition with Russia. I do. We all Serbs do. But we don`t see rational in Polish reasoning. What is rational? Rational is to admit where you mistaken and then to point at others. How could Russia be blamed for something and not Rome. We Serbians don`t think that way. We see mistakes of all and say it always. Even paid price for it. But we say it.

Still, you Poles are our kin and, we know Polish history better then today`s Poles. We feel you. So, we hope you Poles survive thru this hell that is coming on all of us.


Yes. Speak us more on Polish aid to Ukraine.

@jon357


Same goes for military help as well.


Not something to be proud off to be sure. But sadly something common in many countries. And it seems quite popular among a certain breed of politicians to side with Russia as well.

Nigel Farage claims Russia was provoked into Ukraine war.

theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/21/russia-was-provoked-into-ukraine-war-claims-nigel-farage

Let us just hope that they'll never come in power.

yeah, Zeitenwende or something - let's look 5 years back and most of German politicians were supportive of cooperation with Putin