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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 12



Novichok
9 Jul 2024  #841

And anyone who refused the order to bomb two separate hospitals would be imprisoned or even killed

Hey, Polish moron, did you know that in the US if you disobeyed orders to napalm a village in Vietnam they would send you on all-expenses-paid two weeks in Hawaii?

Why target cities at all? What is it - special military operation or World War2?

For the same reason why the US bombed D, H, and N. More dead civilians, shorter the war.

Novichok
9 Jul 2024  #842

Ukrainian forces depleted - NYT
US officials privately believe it will be impossible for Kiev to win back its lost territories, according to the outlet


Please don't stop believing in U victory...Tacitus and other Russia haters are ready to go and finish off Russkies...What's another 100,000 dead Ukrainian men...dying for freedom and democracy is so much fun...or you will be executed anyway like those 100,000 Ukrainians in Crimea for...that's for later...I have to call my minder...

In the meantime, to make you feel better...

Don't Stop Believin'

Miloslaw
9 Jul 2024  #843

US officials privately believe it will be impossible for Kiev to win back its lost territories

That is just their opinion, they may be right or they may be wrong.
Just look at the "experts" opinion of the French election.... the "Experts" got it completely wrong!

Your wish to see less death is admirable.But there is so much more at stake here and the Ukrainian heroes who continue to fight understand that and you don't.

Novichok
10 Jul 2024  #844

But there is so much more at stake here

That's exactly what Putin has been saying since day one.

Crow
10 Jul 2024  #845

so much more at stake here

What conflict in Ukraine (in Serbia before that) and complete game around it shown us is that Slavic Poland does not exist in official sense. There are Slavs in Poland, in most of Poland, good Slavs, and they believe they live in a Slavic country but, behind the back of people somebody from outside established Poland on non-Slavic path. And mass media are powerful and they work to ruin Slavs in Poland completely.

So, essentially, there is battle within Poland and battle for Poland. Brace yourself Poles.

mafketis
10 Jul 2024  #846

I don't want to believe.

The day after bombing a children's hospital and a maternity hospital in Kyiv... russia hosts a UN luncheon where the main dish is.... Chicken Kiev.....

Tell me that's not on purpose....

Oh... and they blocked a speech by the Czech delegate who condemned the attack....

x.com/DietmarPichler1/status/1810790931370758429

Novichok
10 Jul 2024  #847

Tell me that's not on purpose....

After D, H, N, and V, everything is OK or is in the oops category.

Mr Grunwald
10 Jul 2024  #848

@Crow
So, essentially, there is

Translation for normal people
Right wingers do not rule the establishment in Poland, and Crow's perspective is that right wingers fight for the control of Poland with means necessary and that it is unavoidable

Torq
10 Jul 2024  #849

Poland and Ukraine have signed a bilateral security agreement.

And now Konfederacja wants to put Tusk in front of the State Tribunal for it...



They claim, quite correctly, that Polish constitution was violated - every defence agreement, especially one connected with creating foreign units on Polish territory (not just training them) and considerable budget spending, requires a legal bill to be passed by the parliament and approved by the president. Let's see how all the "defenders of the constitution" from the PO camp react.

*grabs popcorn*

Crow
10 Jul 2024  #850

Translation

I will translate it for you.

Poland is led by Polish speaking government and president. So, not Polish but, only Polish speaking. Place of Poland is with countries on Baltic-Balkan line, as even Pilsudski suggested. With Slovakia, Hungary, Serbia, etc. As such, Poland would have at least neutral stance on Russia and wouldn`t serve as the lap dog to powerful financial circles outside of the Slavic world.

And I seriously worry for all those good Slavs in Poland.

Novichok
10 Jul 2024  #851

requires a legal bill to be passed by the parliament and approved by the president.

How about a referendum? Too democratic?

Torq
10 Jul 2024  #852

Too democratic?

Definitely too democratic.

People would most likely be against such agreement. That's why they didn't ask the people. Damn, they didn't even want a discussion in the parliament and proper legislative procedure! Democracy my arse.

PolAmKrakow
10 Jul 2024  #853

@Torq
Tusk is EU puppet. This is bad for Poland. Ukraine will be the end of the EU, and NATO if this continues.

@Novichok
A vote? Why that would be down right democratic. Why do that when you can just stick it up everyones a$$?

mafketis
10 Jul 2024  #854

quote from Medvedev: Even if Ukraine surrenders the territories we claim and renounces NATO aspirations in exchange for a peace deal, sooner or later we would still have to put the nail into the coffin of Ukrainian statehood and return the rest of the country's lands "into the bosom of Russia."

x.com/yarotrof/status/1811044079758664021

you can call for peace but russia wants war because russia wants to steal because.... that's what the russian state does.... stop it now or wait until they cross the Polish border....

Bobko
10 Jul 2024  #855

sooner or later we would still have to put the nail into the coffin of Ukrainian statehood

Somebody should hide this idiot away, until calmer times come.

His alcohol fueled rants are about as useful as what the Ukrainian government produces for Western consumption.

Novichok
10 Jul 2024  #856

Somebody should hide this idiot away, until calmer times come.

Maf or Medvedev?

Bobko
10 Jul 2024  #857

Medvedev!

The guy is a drunken piece of sh*t.

His tenure as president gave us loving photos with Obama in the White House, and Steve Jobs in Silicon Valley. But also, a disgraceful defeat in Libya, and a total backsliding of the situation in Ukraine.

That the guy that flushed many things down the toilet (until Putin came back in the nick of time), is now broadcasting "Churchill" is just the cherry on top.

He should shut his trap, and go think about why no one will ever offer him the job of president again.

Novichok
10 Jul 2024  #858

Even Russia can use the good cop, bad cop routine to make Western scum wonder if it's Putin or Medvedev speaking to them...
The first step in war is feeding the enemy with misinformation and spreading confusion...I am assuming that Russia is already doing it... Just saying...

High-tech Western weapons 'useless' in Ukraine conflict - WSJ
Satellite-guided shells are particularly vulnerable to Russian jamming technology, commanders in Kiev have told the newspaper


That's a lie. Russia didn't steal enough dishwashers to develop jamming technology.

Bobko
10 Jul 2024  #859

Russia didn't steal enough dishwashers to develop jamming technology.

I've been reading these articles too - about Excaliburs, GLSDB, and ATACMs being rendered largely ineffective - and also keep laughing at CMS and Maf and others that accused of us stripping dishwashers and washing machines.

We have some of the best engineering talent in the world, and they tried to make us into some Mexico or Kenya.

PolAmKrakow
10 Jul 2024  #860

Guys, please stop being critical of the US weapons systems. If Boeing can build a plane that crashes regularly, surely they can help build guidance systems that never fail. Oh BTW, Biden was just caught actually $hitting himself when hearing that NATO members were having secret meetings with Trump support staff while NATO meetings are ongoing. In a related story, prices of Charmin stock are skyrocketing.

Novichok
10 Jul 2024  #861

We have some of the best engineering talent in the world,

Did you know that your engineers never go home, are always under KGB surveillance, and are shot dead after the first mistake?

That's why the turnover is so high. I really worry about my buddy Velund...

Novichok
11 Jul 2024  #862

Memo to Russia haters:

About those hospitals...

After PH, Tonkin, WMDs, the gas pipe, and the "border is secure" fossil, I would trust a Gypsie selling Roleks watches for 20 bucks before I would trust the US or any other Western ruling mob.

cms neuf
11 Jul 2024  #863

What did Ukrainian cancer patients and expectant mothers ever do in the Gulf of Tonkin ?

As for the best engineering talent in the world well that is good news as they can finally get a working coffee machine down in the troll farm.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2024  #864

NATO summit: US to deploy long-range weapons in Germany

dw.com/en/nato-summit-us-to-deploy-long-range-weapons-in-germany/live-69617846

Oookaaaay....I guess....but....why not in Poland???? It's nearer to the battlefield, isn't it.....

The U.S. will start deploying long-range fires units to Germany in 2026, according to a joint statement from both the U.S. and German governments released today amid the NATO Summit in Washington, D.C.

The new capabilities will "have significantly longer range than current land-based fires in Europe. Exercising these advanced capabilities will demonstrate the United States' commitment to NATO and its contributions to European integrated deterrence," the joint statement reads.


defensenews.com/land/2024/07/10/us-to-send-tomahawks-hypersonics-other-long-range-fires-to-germany/

The long-range fires capabilities will include the SM-6 and Tomahawk missiles and "developmental hypersonic weapons," the statement details.

The capabilities will be resident in the U.S. Army's Multidomain Task Force already headquartered in Germany.

The announcement lines up with the Army's plans to fill out its five MDTF units worldwide. Defense News first reported in April that the MDTF in Europe would be fully established in fiscal 2026 with the addition of a Long-Range Fires Battalion, or LRFB, in support of the European theater.....


Torq
11 Jul 2024  #865

why not in Poland????

Elementary, my dear Watson. Because apparently Germany will be defended. Poland? As usual. There was most likely some secret pact signed and Poland is already sold down the river. Typical. *rolls eyes*

That's why we are spending all thos c*ntillions on our army because when the sh*t hits the fan we will be on our own as always.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2024  #866

Because apparently Germany will be defended. Poland?

Hard to believe, Torqi....it's not 1939 again and this time Germany and Poland are in the same unions! One of them even means that if Poland is attacked Germany is attacked too and is obligated to help, as are all other members!

Tacitus
11 Jul 2024  #867

@Bratwurst Boy

Oookaaaay....I guess....but....why not in Poland???? It's nearer to the battlefield, isn't it.....

You don't put long range missiles close to a potential frontline since that would make it easier for your enemy to destroy them with a preemptive strike.

Novichok
11 Jul 2024  #868

Elementary, my dear Watson. Because apparently Germany will be defended.

No. Germany will be attacked first because of those rockets.

NATO is nothing else than a pretext for the US MICC to spend money we don't have and as useless in defending its main member as fagots are in making nations sustainable.

If I were Russian I would be proud of my military might that is seen by the enemy 20 times richer as a threat. Or worry that it's insane.

Crow
11 Jul 2024  #869

Poles, my sisters and brothers! Northerners and Dragons of the North. Fight for Slavic ie Sarmatian Poland! Fight with civil and calm street protests. Prevent use of Poland by the foreign financial circles. Save venerable idea of Poland that was formed in agony, at a time when Roman and Teutonic vermin threatened to destroy Slavic ie Sarmatian Northern realm.

Southern Dragon of Serbia is looking for you, calling you in the care for you and our beautiful home that is our civilization. Awake Dragon of the North! Awake and dispel evil magic around you. We will soon need your majestic force! The day of reckoning is coming.

ps

Sarmatia is eternal!

mafketis
11 Jul 2024  #870

Serbia: We love russia!

russia: You vvhore!

x.com/den_kazansky/status/1805324291577196742


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