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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 16



Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2024  #391

....I just read Hamas is settling in Jordan, working young Palis over as they did before in Gaza and Libanon, radicalizing them into killing Israelis.....I have a feeling the royals in Amman won't watch that for to long. They already showed once what they think of Pali terrorists trying to take over...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

Miloslaw
14 Nov 2024  #392

What on earth makes you think Palestinians would be willing to share a country with Jews?

Who's better off, Palestinians or Israeli Arabs?

Two great points!

Barney
14 Nov 2024  #393

study your history properly before you debate with me!

Perhaps you should understand English before getting the wrong end of the stick yet again. Your support for Israeli genocide on the Palestinians is in direct contradiction to your blind support for Ukraine. If might is right why support Ukraine? Surely taking someones land is wrong in every circumstance? The only difference is the colonial attitude you don't have the ability to shake off. Its not a great claim to fame to be able to perform the Orwellian task of simultaneously holding two contradictory ideas.

A bit of consistency in your thinking would do you wonders, you should try it sometime but I think the task is beyond your extensive powers of deduction. I could go on but there is clearly no point.

@mafketis
Do you not think that consistency in international relations is important? You have asked what should Israel's response be I thought you were genuine but I see you consider Muslims to be lesser people.

mafketis
14 Nov 2024  #394

the Orwellian task of simultaneously holding two contradictory ideas

All human beings hold contradictory beliefs, that's part of the human condition. And... I ask again what makes you think Palestinians would accept a single state that has a bunch of Jewish citizens?
What about the role of religion in such a unitary entity? Islamic and traditional Jewish and modern Western schools of law are mostly kind of incompatible?
I have tons of criticism regarding Israel but the Palestinians have initiated conflicts for over 60 years keep losing and keep starting new conflicts.... what's the point?

Vesko Vukovic
14 Nov 2024  #395

Dan Bilzerian unloads both barrels on Israel in epic interview on Piers Morgan uncensored



Very good. Dan has a huge audience on social media.

Bilzkrieg: Dan Bilzerian Deconstructs Holohoax and Jew Problem on Piers Morgan

dailystormer.in/bilzkrieg-dan-bilzerian-deconstructs-holohoax-and-jew-problem-on-piers-morgan/

After carefully observing this interview, I can conclude that Morgan is a typical cunning Anglo-Saxon, a lying jew/money lover.

Bratwurst Boy
14 Nov 2024  #396

@Barney

Observing Pali refugees in Germany I would say a common nation is not a realistic possibility just now.

They are hunting and hurting Jews whenever they get a whiff of them...Jews in Berlin are fearing again to be recognizable as Jews, as in the bad old times. Did you get what happened in Amsterdam? And Paris? Arabs hunting Jews with the clear task of hurting and even killing them..

And that in host countries, far away from the ME....they are unable to live peacefully with totally innocent Jews, with no connections to Israel and its army at all, just for being Jews....and the crux of the matter: they don't even want to!

Worse is in store for Jews if they have to share a nation with these folks!

sambeliskiv
14 Nov 2024  #397

grip-edge. From long long time ago, since he was like a kid

Crow
14 Nov 2024  #398

We are all so lucky. And Poland especially.

Ironside
14 Nov 2024  #399

Kania is coming back

OH stop it, you ran him off from this forum indirectly with your spastic nonsense.
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the Ukrainians are running the risk of being occupied by people they have been familiar with

Is not going to happen now.
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Your support for Israeli genocide on the Palestinians is in direct contradiction to your blind support for Ukraine

Indeed, many posters here seem to suffer from such a malady of the mind and soul. I don't think they are being brainwashed. It is a thinly veiled excuse. There is something deeply wrong with those people and our Western society as their attitude is directly linked to social, moral, and political crises.
I believe my reasons are at least logical.
I don't support Israel because they are slaughtering children. Also, they are diverting resources and attention of the US from other more important parts of the world.
I support Ukraine because it is undermining whatever power Russia has left in this part of the world. If not for Russia I wouldn't support it.

Barney
14 Nov 2024  #400

All human beings hold contradictory beliefs,

Yes, people like to have their prejudices reinforced but normal people try to square the circle when their contradictions are pointed out.

At the risk of descending into cliche a unitary state will not be easy but is better than the zero sum status quo.

The story of Israel being repeatedly attacked is simply not true, Israel initiated all the wars bar the 1973 conflict and in that was rescued by the US to avoid the use of nuclear weapons.

@Ironside
The contradiction is so incredibly massive that gold medal levels of mental gymnastics are required to justify/ignore it.

Novichok
14 Nov 2024  #401

Israel initiated all the wars bar the 1973

Israel initiated the 1967 war because Israelis have this weird aversion to dying ahead of time, moron...

You see, azhole, Israel needs to lose only once to cease to exist. Muslim scum can lose many times and try again and again...as they did and are still trying...

Got it, idiot?

Novichok
14 Nov 2024  #402

Ukrainian defenses 'crumbling' in Donbass - FT
Senior officials in Kiev admit that Moscow is advancing at its fastest rate since 2022, the outlet reports


That's great news but still not fast enough...I am not getting any younger and I still want to visit Russia...

PolAmKrakow
15 Nov 2024  #403

Russia has 50K men going into Kursk to push Ukraine out before Trump takes office. If that happens, what does Ukraine have to use as leverage at the negotiation table?

pawian
15 Nov 2024  #404

going into Kursk

Keep going and going and going..... like a toy rabbit in Energizer commercial from 1990s....

If that happens,

Even Energizer batteries have their limits.......
Simply speaking, be more optimistic in life and stop worrying about rabbits!!!
from this forum

Pojawia się i znika i znika i znika, ma na mym punkcie bzika, ma bzika, ma bzika. hahahahaha

cms neuf
15 Nov 2024  #405

They are indeed advancing quickly - for the first time in 2 months the drunk losers are no longer 8km from Pokrovsk - now its 7km.

And I see they are literally throwing bodies at the Kursk problem.

mafketis
15 Nov 2024  #406

Israel initiated all the wars bar the 1973 conflict

And the current one too. It's not a case of Israel unprovoked deciding to level Gaza....

a unitary state will not be easy

A unitary state is, at present, a pleasing fantasy for some. It's not based on any kind of reality on the ground or any kind of demand on either side.

What is any player doing to convince Palestinians that their goal should be a unitary state with Jews and Palestinians living side by side?

amiga500
15 Nov 2024  #407

Anyone that thinks Putin is the next Hitler is a certified low-iq plonker.
Maf might be on twitter, lost with ukrie nafo bots, but he's intelligent to know better.
what does Ukraine have to use
It
It Seams to be patently sane of us on the forum. Answer: Jack Sh$t.

As audnasuem the best solution is for Ukraine, our Ukrainian brothers is to give land for peace.
And arm itself like Israel.

mafketis
15 Nov 2024  #408

Anyone that thinks Putin is the next Hitle...... Maf

When have I ever said that putain is the next Hitler? He's a crappy little dictator with no regard for human life or the well-being of citizens who's eyes are bigger than his ability to seize territory....

give land for peace

then Ukraine will have neither... ask the russians and russian aligned here when they will be satisfied vis a vis Ukraine.

jon357
15 Nov 2024  #409

When have I ever said that putain is the next Hitler? He's a crappy little dictator

Hopefully he'll end up the same way.

Vesko Vukovic
15 Nov 2024  #410

Blinken: every excess dolar...

BREAKING: Secretary of State Antony Blinken announces "every dollar we have at our disposal will be pushed [to Ukraine] between now and January 20th" when Trump takes office.

x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1857068353484910999

Hey Blinken-you don't work for Ukraine you work for the American People who have clearly spoken. That's OUR Money. Did you ask any of US if this was OK? Nope. How much are you pocketing?

x.com/RunHomeste50262/status/1857366158543819238

jon357
15 Nov 2024  #411

every dollar we have at our disposal will be pushed [to Ukraine] between now and January 20th

Excellent news.

American People who have clearly spoken

They have spoken that their president changes on 20 Jan next year, and have also spoken that the current administration is in office until then.

mafketis
15 Nov 2024  #412

Meanwhile, in Abkhazia (part of Georgia invaded by russia in 2008)....

After 16 years of russian rule residents have officially had enough and started mass protests against a law that would make it easier for russians to steal from them....

Today they broke into the 'parliament'....

x.com/StratcomCentre/status/1857373517899034916

Bobko
15 Nov 2024  #413

Hey, do you know when Kania is coming back

He's not coming back - I think. I don't want to be here either - now that he's gone - but such momentous events mean that I have to come here a few more times. For my own pleasure.

Is not going to happen now.

Already a territory the size of England is controlled by us - with many million former Ukrainians living within.

I would argue it has already happened.

Ukraine has more or less given up on those territories, based on its messaging over the past two weeks.

Now they are trying to spin that entry into NATO will be their "victory".

When they get finally and conclusively denied entry into NATO, they will switch to arguing that survival is their "victory".

Never mind that they could have had the same result at the cost of 2-3,000 dead back in the spring of 2022. Now they get the same deal, but a million dead people later. I hope they feel at least somewhat accomplished, in that they provided bored assh0les like CMS Neuf and Mafketis entertainment for these past three years.

Bratwurst Boy
15 Nov 2024  #414

but such momentous events mean that I have to come here a few more times. For my own pleasure.

But isn't it exactly THAT what such a board like PF is all about?

I don't get these "I will never come back" - promises....seriously....there will always be downtimes when nothing much happens, but THEN again....and to stay away from these days should prove impossible! :)

Ironsdie
15 Nov 2024  #415

had the same result at the cost of 2-3,000 dead back in the spring of 2022

I think you don't really believe that is the case.
a territory the size of England is controlled by us - with many million former Ukrainians living within.

Wait? To make it clear, wasn't your argument that the majority of people in that territory are Rusians or want to live under Russian rule?
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He's not coming back - I think

He might come back if PF is still here. It wouldn't be the first time he left. On the other hand, maybe he is not coming back. Who knows?
Do you know what happened to him this time?

Bobko
15 Nov 2024  #416

To make it clear

I said "former Ukrainians". By passport. Now they are Russians. In Russian this makes sense, and in English not so much (Русские vs Россияне).

I think you don't really believe that is the case.

I don't believe that Ukraine could have ever been so reasonable? Probably not. But then again, Boris Johnson played a nasty role there.

Do you know what happened to him this time?

I think he had enough of Pawian.

Novichok
15 Nov 2024  #417

in that they provided bored assh0les like CMS Neuf and Mafketis entertainment for these past three years.

Hey, you didn't mention me as the exact opposite...

As you said, U could have had it all minus Crimea without all the damage and lives lost. Stupid is way too mild...

My only question now: What is Z's retirement package and the exit plan before he is given Ceausescu treatment.

Ironside
15 Nov 2024  #418

кие vs Россияне).

Never the less the claim was that they wanted to live under Moscow. Writing occupation you let us know you don't believe that is the case.
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I don't believe that Ukraine could have ever be so reasonable?

You don't believe that Putin was after some land. He wanted Ukraine under his rule, probably as a satellite state. To this end, he was ready to give up some fringe lands ( like Polish and Hungarian land to the west).
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enough of Pawian.

I see, he can be annoying. Let me know if you need some smelly old monkeys in Siberia. lol!
he goes with the next shipment. buahha!

Bobko
15 Nov 2024  #419

Stupid is way too mild...

Ukraine has a history of doing incredibly stupid things.

In 1918, it allied with Germany - even if an idiot could see that Germany was on its last legs.

Emerging from that retarded action, in 1920 Ukraine allied with Poland. A miracle on the Vistula saved Poland, but was unfortunately not enough to save Ukraine.

In 1941, they decided to throw their lot in with the Nazis. They're still digesting the consequences of that.

If presented with two options - you can always trust the Ukrainians to choose the most self-destructive one. This is how natural selection occurs in Ukraine. In some thousands of years we will have a fully healthy population there.

Let me know if you need some smelly old monkeys

We have so many smelly monkeys in Russia,
we can even let you borrow some. You can keep Pawian.

Ironside
15 Nov 2024  #420

[quote=]Hey, you didn't mention me as the exact opposite...[/quote]
@Bobko
Don't forget to cut out from a tinfoil some Russian medal and send it to Novi that brownnosing idiot. lol!


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