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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 18



amiga500
5 Feb 2025  #991

is future time orientation

Lay off the acid..

Youre confusing Eastern Ukraine with Crimea. When Strelkov came in with his 50 miscreants he had no official approval. And before that it was a genuine grassroots uprising driven by the radical moves the new goverment in kiev was making. Russia only got involved later. Reference roland oliphant telegraph jouno book about maidan

Tacitus
5 Feb 2025  #992

Your federal budget deficit brake means you cannot lend anyone money.

It allowed us to become Ukraine's largest European supporter.

Germany is a big fat zero on the world scene

I'd say we are doing pretty OK via our means and the EU. Germany is concentrating on Europe and that is where our influence is.

France and Britain have places like Kenya and Cameroon that they are still responsible for helping. Namibia and Tanzania only remember Germany in their nightmares.

One could now argue that neither France nor the UK have a particular succesful history in Africa, and prospects are not really looking good for Russia there either. It is a waste of time and ressources to play great power there anyway.

but France and the UK (now independent after Brexit) never cared about this.

*Looks at many crucial moments of recent European history where France and the UK (and pretty much every other European country including Russia) very much cared for this. That UK significantly diminished its' influence in Europe via Brexit is another matter.

That you don't understand the value of economic and soft power is your problem (and quite frankly, seems to be one of Russia's main flaws.

Novichok
5 Feb 2025  #993

Can somebody here prove that the referendum in Crimea was less fair and free than the referendum in Kosovo?

Keep your personal opinions where they belong - in a very dark place...

amiga500
5 Feb 2025  #994

It is a waste of time and ressources to play great power there anyway.

China disagrees and says nein!

Tacitus
5 Feb 2025  #995

@amiga500

Imagine people still believing in 1945 that Gleiwitz was a genuine attack by the Polish army... . Utterly absurd.

Those grassroots were so "genuine" that even after 10 years of intense military pressure, Russia has yet conquer the entire Donbass area.

When the Russians came, all those native Russian speakers ended up resisting them with all their might.

Miloslaw
5 Feb 2025  #996

Can somebody here prove that the referendum in Crimea was less fair and free than the referendum in Kosovo?

Of course not!Both were equally corrupt!

Tacitus
5 Feb 2025  #997

@amiga500

China disagrees and says nein!

Yeah, at their peril.

Novichok
5 Feb 2025  #998

Since Kosovo has been accepted by Western "democracies" as valid, what's wrong with the one in Crimea?

You just said they were equal.

What's the evidence they were corrupt? I don't mean in your opinion.

I am sure somebody submitted the evidence somewhere like UN, the EU, and ICC that the referendum in Crimea was not free and fair...

I just can't find a link...

Yeah, at their peril.

Take care of your own German ass, your Muslim guests, and your decaying economy first...Don't worry about China...

Tacitus
6 Feb 2025  #999

Some encouraging news: France delivered the first Mirage 2000 jets to Ukraine

First high-end French fighter jets arrive in Ukraine

politico.eu/article/first-mirage-2000-fighter-jets-arrive-in-ukraine/

Ukraine has also reportedly launched another limited incursion into the Kursk region

Ukraine launches new offensive in Kursk Oblast, Russian media claims, Kyiv yet to confirm

kyivindependent.com/ukraine-launches-new-offensive-in-kursk-oblast-russia-claims-kyiv-hasnt-confirmed/

Will be interesting to see how things turn out.

Bobko
6 Feb 2025  #1000

Ukraine has also reportedly launched another limited incursion into the Kursk region

I really do not understand what they are doing.

I was watching some videos today, and it seemed like a grouping of about 300 in size, with a few dozen vehicles. The whole area is flat, and you can see the Ukrainians like in the palm of your hand. Drones and mines took them apart within minutes - not hours.

This war has shown that attacking is very hard. Elite Ukrainian formations, like the paratroopers of the 92nd, that are ferociously effective at defense - routinely fail when ordered to go on the offensive.

Russia has to attack non-stop, at heavy cost, because we're the ones trying to stick to some schedule and some plan.

Ukraine doesn't have to do it. Ukraine should sit tight and absorb the blows as economically as possible.

Facing manpower shortages, and the looming threat of a suspension of aid from America, Ukraine should be extremely careful in how it exploits its resources. At least that's what I think.

That's why these Kursk things are so baffling. Zelensky and Syrski have offered two explanations:

1) It was done to preempt a planned Russian offensive into Sumy

2) It was a gambit aimed at improving Ukraine's negotiating leverage during ceasefire negotiations.

I don't understand neither point 1 nor point 2.

If Russia was planning to attack in the North, how come there was practically no one there when Ukraine invaded?

Regarding point 2, why should Putin even consider any potential trades, when Russia controls more than 100x the territory? What kind of leverage is that?

Novichok
6 Feb 2025  #1001

Your apparent desire to be objective is commendable. No patronizing meant.

That's why I cherish my role here as the bad cop the FSB would be proud to have on its payroll.

So far my reward for being 100% for Russia are dead Western volunteers - not the Ukrainians. I wish they were still alive...

Tacitus
6 Feb 2025  #1002

@Bobko

how come there was practically no one there when Ukraine invaded?

Because the Russians did not expect an attack into this area. So far the offensive into Kursk has been very succesful from an Ukrainian point of view. It prevented a Russian offensive into Sumy, inflicted high initialy casualties and forced the Russians and their NK proxies under pressure from above to engage in very reckless and costly assaults in order to take back the taken territory. Which after 6 months, they have still failed to do. It was a risky endeavour, but it has paid off.

And as a bonus, the Russians are now partly busy bombing their own territory instead of Ukraine.

Ironside
6 Feb 2025  #1003

the Russians did not expect an attack into this area.

It is because Rusia looks down on Spain.

Crow
6 Feb 2025  #1004

Speaking of recent important events, first it was Melania Trump that spoke Serbian on Trump`s presidential inauguration. Then, Serbian St. Sava song was heard in the central Vatican`s cathedral, also in Serbian.

Novichok
6 Feb 2025  #1005

it was Melania Trump that spoke Serbian on Trump`s presidential inauguration.

One day she will learn how to speak American...

It's painful to listen to her...

Crow
6 Feb 2025  #1006

Yes. But speaking Serbian for modern ruling world`s elite has symbolic meaning. Its kind of use of arch-angelic language at a time when one face evil. Its the language of the original White Garden that was abused by those who led Whites and their own culture does not originate from White Europe, White Near Eastern and White Eurasian areas. The monsters which vulgarized Western culture that is not culture of genocide but culture that was spreading light of sun and knowledge all over the Earth.

So comes the Serbian language.

When you see that Trump, Putin and Xi use Serbian in short time interval, expect biggest event this Earth ever sow. In a great effort to return humanity to normalcy and prepare us to ascend from global planetary to solar civilization on the Kardashev scale.

Korvinus
6 Feb 2025  #1007

Seems like Zelenskyiv has somehow managed to convince Trump to yell and threaten at European countries to give Ukraine more tanks, and also paid for continued USA support by promising rare earth mineral rights in... Donbas.

It's a pretty smart deal, now US is guaranteed to back the Ukranians in retaking Donbass. Trump has the perfect sell to his base.

Russia has never been weaker. If Trump backs Ukraine to the hilt, It's going to be the end for Russia. Everyone knows that Russia nuke threats are dickless by now, and if they throw nukes, NATO steps in.
Trump gets to be the man who beat Russia, while Biden looks like an impotent fool who failed to end the war because he was too worried about escalation.

Novichok
6 Feb 2025  #1008

promising rare earth mineral rights in... Donbas.

...and a 10-acre lot for a Trump tower and casino - right in front of the Kremlin...

If Trump backs Ukraine to the hilt, It's going to be the end for Russia.

Define "hilt", "end" and then connect the dots, please.

Novichok
6 Feb 2025  #1009

US defense companies making huge profits on Ukraine - Zelensky
Washington is sending obsolete weapons to Kiev and replacing them with new systems ordered from private contractors, the Ukrainian leader has claimed


...hahahahahahahahaha...

Now, Russia-hating morons, we all know why Biden told Z to ignore P in 2022 and fight till the last Ukrainian...

No, morons, it was not about "freedom and democracy" - those vomit inducing words that make naive azholes smile...

It was and still is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ...Can you spell USMICC?

Novichok
6 Feb 2025  #1010

The Ukraine conflict has been a bonanza for the US defense-industrial complex, which has benefited from massive contracts for weapons meant to supply Kiev and replenish domestic stockpiles, Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has said.

...but not to the US taxpayers...those unnamed people who get fvcked first, last, and in between...

Crow
6 Feb 2025  #1011

It`s as if crazy Al Janković directed this madness in the world as the kind of global joke.

Miloslaw
6 Feb 2025  #1012

It`s as if crazy Al Janković directed this madness in the world as the kind of global joke.

You only hate him because he was of Slovene and Croatian descent.

If he had been of Serbian descent your post would have been very different.

Crow
6 Feb 2025  #1013

Alfred?

@Miloslaw, you have sad jokes. Like when gravedigger tries to looks funny.

Novichok
6 Feb 2025  #1014

So Poland is now a banana shithole...hahahahahahahahahaha...

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has been charged with attempting a coup d'état, the president of the country's Constitutional Tribunal announced on Wednesday.

In a televised statement, Bogdan Swieczkowski alleged that Tusk's administration has been acting illegally to dismantle Poland's judicial system, which he claimed constitutes an attempt to overthrow the constitutional order.


That is beyond funny...

Miloslaw
6 Feb 2025  #1015

@Novichok

I never trusted Tusk...... he is a two faced liar...... but Pawian licks his arse.....

johnny reb
7 Feb 2025  #1016

.... but Pawian licks his arse.....

Pawian is a Polish citizen so that is his prerogative.
You on the other hand are a Limey with a prime minister that is called a "Sir" for some unknown reason.
I bet half the people here don't even know his name without googling it since you are forbidden to even use it on this forum without fear of being arrested. lol
That's how unpopular he is compared to (as Paiwan would say) the honorable and holy Tusk.

Novichok
7 Feb 2025  #1017

Moscow welcomes Trump's stance on Kiev's NATO bid
The US president earlier said he understands Russia's position that Ukraine should not be part of the military bloc

Trump stated last month that he understands the Russian stance that Ukraine should not be part of NATO. Speaking to reporters in Florida, the US president said Moscow's position had long been "written in stone," but that his predecessor, Joe Biden, had ignored it, which contributed to the current conflict.


Cymes and Kutas disagree so the war will go on...until U is in NATO...in year 3572...

Seriuosly...When T and P agree, the end of Z is near.

Tacitus
7 Feb 2025  #1018

Russia May Have Launched A Second Oreshnik Ballistic Missile At Ukraine-But This One Reportedly Exploded On Russian Soil

forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/02/06/russia-may-have-launched-a-second-oreshnik-ballistic-missile-at-ukraine-but-this-one-reportedly-exploded-on-russian-soil/

Lazarus
7 Feb 2025  #1019

we're the ones trying to stick to some schedule and some plan.

Yes, but the North Nigerian plan is to steal and sell absolutely everything, whether Ukrainian or North Nigerian, which tends to result in negative battlefield results when the 500 tanks the army paid for turn out to be 400 actual tanks, only 300 of which run, only 200 of which have ammunition, only 100 of which have the necessary spare parts, only 50 of which have fuel and only 10 of which have sober (by Russian army standards) crews.

mafketis
7 Feb 2025  #1020

What else, other than our own anus, can we offer the Ukrainians?

You can yank your wounded from the hospital and send them to the front to be ukrainian ammunition sponges?

x.com/mobilizationews/status/1887803892680785964

You can record videos for your mom as you lay wounded and maybe dying?

x.com/albafella1/status/1887803914289913875

Solovyov was right... russians are very good at dying. Given what life in russia is like, can anyone blame them?


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