Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 19

What is the difference between them from the Polish point of view?
One is dependent on Poland and is unable (so far) to inflict a major injury to Poland.
The other does not depend on Poland for survival and is holding back his ability to harm Poland due to international agreements and the US.
Both happily do everything they can against Poland's interests.
Polish politicians are incompted suckers that let that upstart have his way.
Trump called spade a spade.
What is the issue?
Zelensky understands Trump's direct language, and he is now begging for an agreement.

@Ironside


One is the leader of a country who has it made clear that he'd be willing to fight a war against if he gets the chance in order to fullfill his imperial ambitions. Whose propagandists love to phantasize about restoring the borders of the Russian Empire.Thanks to whom Poland is now forced to spend a huge amount of money on deterrence and taking care of refugees.

The other leader is currently fighting aforementioned leader, thus weakening his ability to make good on his ambitions. At (relatively) small expenses to Poland. He is also interested in having friendly relations with Poland and wants a closer partnership in the future.

I wonder, where is the difference?

Here we go, a nice dose of whataboutism. Is it that difficult to just answer a question? You think it's right that your president shafted law enforcement, undermined the rule of law and pardoned a bunch of thugs? That he's lying when he says the US gave 350 billion in aid to Ukraine when official figures show that the US donated roughly one third of that?

Thus far what I'm seeing is that all the Trump supporters here would rather gouge out their own eyes than admit that their president is ever wrong. Every last one of you cannot answer these simple questions.

To make peace deal that will last, not some short-lived 'peace for our times' deal made by another Chamberlain. Although knowing Trump he probably thinks himself some sort of genius who invented the idea, not some Chamberlain-Shamberlain.
Remind me, how long his 'peace for our times' managed to last? He could have been honestly mistaken in 1938, but repeating his mistakes in 2025 is beyond retarded.

And its this thinking that the rest of Europe uses as well. This is the definition of a proxy war. It is exactly why Trump wants out and the American people want out of all the forever wars. Yet, the European politicians continue to try to drag the US to the table for security guarantees when the US simply should not be involved at all. But, Trump figured out a business deal to get rare earths, thus putting Americans on Ukraine soil working, and knowing Vlad will not risk killing Americans in Ukraine. But its not what Z wants because Z wants to stay in power, and now he realized that he is fvcked one way or another.

So Starmer, Macron and Z will go to the US next week and make a deal. Notice it is not the US going to Europe. This is the power dynamic that all the war supporters here refuse to see. Trump will call the shots or no one will get the US involvement.

Moving forward, I hope the EU can build it military's and its arms production. But I doubt it will outside of Poland with any sense of urgency. Germany will slowly move forward and France will drag its feet. Complacency will once again take over most of Europe until a new threat comes along in ten or twenty years. This war will be over before the end of June, and then how much traffic will PF have?

Comparing Putin to Zelensky, is like comparing a power drill with a banana.

You can do it, but it will not provide much practical insight.

Putin went from deputy mayor of St. Petersburg, to unemployed, to deputy chief of Kremlin staff, chief of staff, Director of the FSB, Prime Minister, and then finally President. All this in about 3-4 years.

How did he achieve such a feat? Well, seemingly by being extremely impressive. Within the Soviet and Russian systems such a rise was and is simply impossible - unless you're Putin.

His boss in the St. Petersburg mayor's office noticed him immediately. His boss in the Kremlin administration said Putin stood head and shoulders above all his grey colleagues. Finally, Yeltsin - who was a pretty incredible judge of political talent - immediately recognized Putin's brilliance.

So...

1) Putin was basically head of a city of 5 million people

2) Managed the affairs of the President of Russia

3) Headed one of the world's largest intelligence agencies

4) Headed the entire Russian cabinet of ministers

All before becoming president.

Zelensky:

1) Was a comedian

2) Made a tv show about how a poor teacher becomes president of Ukraine, and proceeds to fire all corrupt men in government, raise pensions for all suffering seniors, and outfox Putin to bring a bloodless end to the conflict.

3) Did all this with the help of a single oligarch, Igor Kolomoysky, who is not able to leave the country because there's an open case against him in the United States for massive fraud.

Worked so well in Afghanistan....

Whoever hasn't watched Zelensky's tv show, "Servant of the People" - should definitely watch it. It's on Netflix - and it's been dubbed into many languages, including Polish I believe.

It's interesting just within itself. Other than Donald Trump and his Apprentice, I can't really think of another president in the world who had leveraged his purported ability to solve fictional problems with a flair, into an actual career of solving real world problems.

Unlike the Apprentice, however, "Servant of the People" gives a very spooky feeling. Much of the first two seasons mirrors what Zelensky was actually doing after he became president, and leading up to the war. It's not so much a show, as an approximate template for how he actually executed his campaign and then first years in office. This of course gives fuel to all the conspiracy theorists in the Ukrainian and Russian media spheres that refuse to believe it was all coincidental - rather than a political campaign planned from A to Z.

If anything, you'll understand a bit better what makes Ukraine tick.

Beaten and stupefied AFU rounded up in the Kursk direction

bitchute.com/video/dOkQW5Tv6IJg

Zelensky's slaves are getting more pathetic by the minute

bitchute.com/video/fcA896oygG7b

@PolAmKrakow


Because it makes sense. Better to fund Ukraine's fight than to later have to fight Russia themselves.


Honestly Pol, since you seem not to be driven by pure spite or hatred like some of the other posters here, I have to ask you this: Where does your complete and utter disregard and disrespect for Zelensky come from? The man is the leader of a country that has been the target of unprovoked agression by a much larger country for more than a decade now. Zelensky decided to stay and lead his country while Russian kill squads were looking for him in Kiev. He is someone who was initially very much willing to negotiate with Putin at the beginning of his presidency but who had from experience that this is a futile effort. He has visited the frontline and has spoken with the relatives of the victims from Butcha and other Russian atrocities.

Why do you assume that this all about Zelensky staying in power and not from a genuine concern that Russia will just invade again after some time passes? Why do you think that this concern unjustified, given Russian history and and especially without any security guarantees from the USA?


Working, not fighting. When Russia invades again, they'll just be evacuated like Afghanistan.

When and where did the custom of referring to Zelenskyy as Z happen?

Looks to me to be planned confusion. Z was the symbol of the invasion and pro-russian shills wouldn't even use Z with Zelenskyy's name, calling him Elenskyy or Jewlenskyy (if they were nazi wannabes).

My guess: pro-russians want to confuse Zelenskyy and the early russian-committed atrocities of the early invasion.

Why help pro-russian shills?

BREAKING: In a Chilling speech, Justin Trudeau Explains why Trump is
really issuing Tariffs, saying it's not really about Fentanyl but about annexing them:

"We have to fall back on the one thing he has said repeatedly -That what he wants is to see a TOTAL COLLAPSE of the Canadian economy, because that will make it easier to ANNEX us. First of all that is NEVER going to happen. We will NEVER be the 51st state."

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🚨 BREAKING: Ontario Premier Doug Ford just canceled Elon Musk's Starlink contract and banned all U.S. companies from government contracts in response to Trump's economic war with Canada.

"It's done, it's gone," Ford said. "We won't award contracts to people who enable and encourage economic attacks on our province and our country."

And just to be clear: "They only have President Trump to blame."

So Trump starts a trade war, and now American businesses are getting locked out of Canada. This isn't "tough negotiating"-this is our closest ally shutting the door on us while Trump pretends he's "winning."

MAGA wanted an economic war? Well, they just got one. And it's American companies and workers who are about to feel the pain.

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It is questionable. In my opinion, he doesn't, he prefers Berlin as it is the capital of the German EU.
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It is debatable if it is a relatively small expense, but that subject is more complex, so let's leave it at that.
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Come on, lets dispence with simpleton take of cheap propaganda It is not about supporting Trump but about supporting or understanding his policies.
I hate the most liberals who cry like kids after Trump took away their LGBT flags, and look for an excuse to hate him and in the process talk a lot of nonsense.
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In a virtual reality, you are right, but in the real world, there are so many factors at play you need to consider that your ideal is not practical. It is not feasible to achieve it. Simple.

Trump getting tough

Nork soldiers sent to the Ukraine war.... supposedly China now wants to send soldiers as well.... This is basically Spanish Civil War II (the dress rehearsal for WWIII)

But by all means... let's avoid 'escalation' and not give Ukraine any real security guarantees...

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Yea, WW3 because Russia will feel emboldened to go after its other neighbors too if you give them what they want. You know, we had this situation before. I can't quite put my finger on when though...
Its an almost perfect comparison, Hitler also didn't think Austrians were a separate nationality and there are strong Sudetenland vibes in Crimea situation.

So you're counting on the WWIII now?
Comparison to Hitler is a failed comparison because Russia is not Germany.
Hitler did not have nukes.
Nukes are a huge game changer.
Betting that Russia, if threatened by the US invasion on its soil, won't use nukes is a bet that Americans are not willing to take.
Nobody else can do anything about the current state of affairs in Ukraine.
Stop reveling in some fantastic scenarios in your head, go out more.

@Ironside


And that is based on what? Besides even if that were true, this doesn't mean that he is not interested in friendly relations with Poland toom


It really isn't. A few bns in exchange for Ukrainians decimating the Russian army and sadly, having to absorb whatever the Russian arsenal has to throw at them.

Set up a major tv production company with offices in different countries from nothing

Is a qualified lawyer

Was a hugely popular actor

Won a free and fair election

Didn't poison anyone

Putler:
Was a spy in a country occupied by r*SSia

Was an illegal taxi driver

Lies about his background and country of birth

Came to power in murky circumstances involving the FSB bombing apartments

Poisons people

Yes in fact that is exactly right, Germany was not ready for war in 1938, especially on three fronts.
They also got a ton of equipment from Czech stuff, including like three panzer divisions. and that is before getting to the internal instability and possible coup in Germany if Munich didn't happen.
Basically this shows you do not let dictators get away with it less they build up internal support and escalate.


Why are you not upset at Russia for making nuclear threats to support their war of aggression then? That would be a terrible precedent to set in this world. That you can attack a smaller country and use your nuclear umbrella to threaten anyone else from coming to their aid. That is going to launch a new wave of nuclear proliferation that will end with almost all countries getting nukes.

If anyone is creating any risk of nuclear war, it is Russia. Not the people who are responding to Russia's aggression.

I'm very upset. Russia, you shouldn't do that, you shouldn't attack a neighboring country and use nukes as an umbrella. You lost your moral superiority Russia, you are a villain, Korvinus doesn't like you anymore, what more for your bad behavior you won't get your pudding today.
OK? Are you satisfied? We have regained moral superiority and we are right.
Is your inner child sated?
Can we talk about reality now?

Russians With Attitude
@RWApodcast

My most vindicated opinion of all time is that Russia should have gone into not just Crimea but the entirety of the Ukraine in early 2014. So many people would still be alive, so many towns would still be standing, so much evil would have been prevented.

At the time, many of my friends and family, a large percentage of Russian patriots and nationalists and of course the Russian government itself were against this, but there's literally zero argument to be made why allowing evil to take root and innocents to suffer for eight years has made things better.

It was both immoral and stupid not to invade in 2014.

Allowing a KGB Dictator to occupy lands of Europe consequence free will encourage him to start more and more wars.

Even if kicking him out of Ukraine is out of question. We need to make his occupation as costly and painful as possible.

to (((Madeleine Albright and Richard Holbrooke))) they go

Zelensky's meat is reduced in number in the Zaporozhye direction

bitchute.com/video/whnR91mqLdyd

Phibbs
I know that Jewkrainians worship death, but this is getting ridiculous.

Go ahead, you and your Marvel crew should do it.

I dont? You have must have a case of TDS like the rest of the leftist around here.

Watch Trumps speech from last night.


Exactly Iron. Hes the one stopping the peace process here.

Zelensky the great deceiver...

bitchute.com/video/TnHjjQv2owM4

Real audio between Zelensky and Trump released!

bitchute.com/video/dKMIoQCUCpr5

One of the best Presidential Address Speeches I have ever seen/heard in my entire life time.
Trump was spot on and had blank looks on the Dems faces as Trump kept embarrassing them with the FACTS over and over again.
There was no denying what Trump was gob smacking the Dems in the face with FACTS.
This war will come to an end one way or another and like Trump told Z in so many words, "You have lost this war so why are you so adamant about killing more kids.
You don't have the man power to win."

That was a general 'you' - 'you don't' like 'one doesn't'.


A leftist, moi? 0_0


No, thank you. I would rather have sexual intercourse with a hedgehog.