Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23

Definitely not. Tanks is not used to down F35, for sure.


Yes. But pilot of that F35 was talented guy. He flown by quite complex trajectory, trying to dodge, so mistargeted "missiles" destroyed a lot of key infrastructure objects and military factories. Kremenchuk oil refinery equipment, probably, hit beyond repair, for example.

F16. Where a foreign country sources its equipment is not your business.


Yes. Ukrainian pilots are very well trained. One reason the r.SSians are doing so badly.

@mafketis
Basically yes to #196

Where weapons that kill our soldiers is sourced is our direct business, and consequences of that sourcing will appear sooner or later.

Get your cursed soldiers out of Ukraine and it won't be an issue.

You can't even express why russia is doing this and who will gain what.... if Bobko can't then I'm sure all you can do is repeat government talking points that you don't even necessarily believe.

russia is just so pathetic.... it craves respect but makes it impossible to grant it.

Work on yourselves and leave other countries alone.... is that too much to ask?

Russian soldiers are in Russia. All of them. Get your shlt straight.

It's the Ukrainian army that is an invader...

The war will over when the last one dies or leaves...It's that simple

You, Russia-hating morons, can pretend that the referenda you don't like don't matter all you want but they did happen and matter.


BTW, did the US crave respect when it invaded Korea, Vietnam, Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan?

I recall some lies about "freedom and democracy"...Also checkers or domino ...can't recall...at my age I am glad I remember my address...

You really are losing it Rich......


Eh????????


That just about sums up why your ranting post makes no sense.

Bobko and I tried to explain everything many times, and replies was "it is not your business what foreign country does".

Ukrainian declaration of state sovereignity stated that ukraine become independent state that is neutral, not participating in any military blocks, and will not use, manufacture or receive from a third party any nuclear weapons. When Russia recognized ukrainian declaration of independency, this was recognition based on this principles. Once ukraine decided to change their constitution in a way that is not conforming to their previous promises - sorry, guys, but everything must be re-negotiated.

And once banderites started to make ukraine a "banderite galicia from the river to the sea" by opressing russian population and exterminate those who opposed bandera-prayers - it become our business, that we will finish.

Right after they finish this half liter of gut rot vodka

Amen.

GFY, Russia haters...I wish Russia the very best. To those who don't like what I just said...shove it up yours...


Where are Russian soldiers outside of Russia?

Name a specific city.

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I agree with this why are they such hypocrytes? Even on here like the torq guy running this forum?

not so long ago, they were in Syria

and Wagner group troops were all over western Africa

In what city in Europe is the Russian army in a combat mode - this means shooting the enemy and being shot at?

and in the corrupted and degenerate russian understanding.... that means invade? what is wrong with you?


no one believes that anymore... Ukraine elected a russian speaking Jew who barely knew Ukrainian and he tried to be friendly with russia for years... and what did that lead to?

russia is a dysfunctional mess.... get yourselves in order and stop befouling other countries

Rich, looks like there is nothing to discuss anymore with species that have BS autoloader implanted near to inter-ear ganglion.

NKVD was completely right....

Cлушай, танкист - you can try and solve your problems with invasions and NKVD, but for that you need people. Unfortunately...

themoscowtimes.com/2025/04/14/russias-birth-rate-plunges-to-200-year-low-a88709

... and Poland has the same problem. We are dinosaurs - dying out dinosaurs; and those dinosaurs decided to slaughter each other in a war to hasten the disappearing process.

DNKVD - Dinosaur NKVD, kurwa. :(

in an effort to kerb rampant inflation, interest rates were held at a staggering 21 per cent since October, before being cut marginally to 20 per cent this month as pressure eased slightly.

Inflation has largely been driven by sanctions creating higher import costs. Wage growth has also soared to a 16-year high due to labour shortages caused by syphoning off workers into the defence sectors and the military.

Moscow's Higher School of Economics estimated that there was a deficit of 2.6 million employees at the end of 2024.
telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/27/putin-ready-scale-back-military-spending/

It just gets worse there.

I do not know the history of the Russian recognition of Ukraine well, but if this statement is true, then Russia has every right to be pi$$ed. Ukraine will never be in NATO, and putting NATO membership in the constitution was just fvcking stupid. You cannot obligate any third party to a contract or treaty they are not signed onto.

I din't think it was completely OUR problem. But when truckloads of shells from arsenals transported and unloaded _to ground_ near positions of artillery within reach of Donetsk - Putin had two choices - become traitor against their own people by allowing to increase scale of massacre in Donbass tenfold, or intervene preventively and become greatest pain in the ass for western so called elites. You know what was done, and vast majority of people here agree that it was only possible solution, after 8 years of attempt to find peaceful solution with people that don't even planned to implement agreements they signed.

And if you will ask people here which city should be bombed instead of Kiev - 2 out of 3 will name London without doubt.

You don't even believe that sh1t yourself.


You would regret that. Or would if you were alive.

PolAm here is the text of Ukraine's Declaration of Independence. It is one page long and does not mention neutrality, nukes, military blocs or anything else that Velund mentions

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_of_Ukraine

I can tell you what we have already regretted, and for what manifestation of humanity we paid with hundreds of thousands of lives. This is the amnesty imposed by Khrushchev's wife on the Bandera underground and its leadership soon after the end of WWII.

The metastases have grown too deep, and most likely a complete amputation of Ukrainian statehood will be required for peace to come to Eastern Europe. But the British network of influence will make every effort to prevent this from happening, and if necessary, the Poles and the Balts will be next in line to be cannon fodder.

It states that this document is implementation of Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine adopted on July 16, 1990. And that "underlying" document states everything I mentioned.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine

What bullsh1t.


Or the orcs ending their illegal and unprovoked invasion. You have been told.


Enough of your sick fantasies, orc. The free world is against you and is ahead of you.

Know your place.

Legalese fudge as the UNNR was in place then. Of course they can join NATO now as their drunk neighbors are threatening them with nukes

Anyway that document also said the Ukrainians territory was inviolable - which the NN Nazis broke in 2014 when the annexed Crimea.

Fcuk you...

Fcuk you orc battleship

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Russian troops shelling Russian population in Donetsk to create a pretext sounds very much a problem Russia created for Russia.

Ever heard of Radio station incident in Gleiwitz? (Gliwice). It was fully believed to be true what Germany proclaimed at the time until end of the war when German military commanders came out and admitted it to be a secret intelligence operation to create willingness to wage war and look like Germany was defending itself.

Tell do Russians feel like they are defending themselves or attacking? You are smarter then most think right? Or am I wrong

What russians in Donetsk? The idea that speaking russian makes you russian is an old soviet one that putin revived because his brain is stuck there....

I know russian speaking Ukrainians (from Donbas) who have never considered themselves russian at all.

russia had been shipping russians to the region for a few years before the invasion.


they feel whatever they've been told to....

It was legal and provoked. The provocation started in 2014 in Kiev.

Your invasion of Iraq was illegal and unprovoked - just as colonizing you were so good at in the past. What gave you the right to do that?

Here is my advice to you: Never, ever talk shlt about an invasion being illegal and unprovoked.