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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 24



Novichok
6 Sep 2025  #1111

Unaccountable dictatorship is the worst form of government possible.

Yes, you are a genius

That's why the ratio of national debt to GDP is 124 to 100 in the US while Russia's is 16 to 100.

Translation: American "prosperity" is borrowed from our grandkids and their kids. This should be a felony punishable by death since nobody has a fvcking idea how to pay it back.

Other Western achievements:

Japan - 237

Greece - 154

UK - 96

Those damn numbers ... always there to ruin the day for PF morons...

Velund
6 Sep 2025  #1112

nobody has a fvcking idea how to pay it back.

In certain circles there were ideas on how to make the whole world pay so that the elite groups who had gone too far in printing money would not meet the executioner someday. There was an attempt to impose a "green" tax on the whole world so that even a cow could not fart without its owner paying someone who was clearly not exhaling clean oxygen. It didn't work out in the end. Then there was the idea that if the whole pack attacked Russia, it would fall apart and it would be possible to plunder for a long time and with gusto. They twisted the tail of the Banderites, threw weapons and money at them - it didn't work right away, the money started going into crypto and anti-tank missiles started popping up in the pocket armies of drug lords. They added money - it doesn't work. The weapons started running out. It turned out that money cannot be transformed into necessary products instantly, and not so easily even non-instantly. This requires factories, trained people and raw materials. The only people in abundance were lawyers, prostitutes and doctors of gender sciences...

cms neuf
6 Sep 2025  #1113

Get used to the green taxes - whether they work or not they have one awesome effect - that eventually we no longer need to kowtow to fundamentalist Muslims or drunk North Nigerian halfwit murderers

jon357
6 Sep 2025  #1114

Latest word is that NKorea's ready to send a lot more troops. This sounds like China, which really wants to keep things going to distract the West from its expansionist plans

And it culls part of the population of North Korea that they can't feed.

russian government is done and intends to stop active hostilities and is just trying to put as much pressure on the US and Ukraine as possible so it won't look like a massive defeat.

There's little they can do now. If they used tactical nukes, the escalation would mean there's no r*SSia and in any case, China would never let them. Bad for business...

reports from russia indicate the economy is..... not flourishing (and there is the spectre of food shortages coming up

It's probably far worse than is being reported, especially in smaller towns. They're also being weird about the internet too, cutting cellular internet (weak enough in most of r*SSia anyway) at least daily and forcing r*SSians to download apps that are easy to monitor.

Plus of course the ground is going to turn soft soon and there is no possibility of any sort of advance by them.

Check mate.

Novichok
7 Sep 2025  #1115

It didn't work out in the end.

Then they threw all the kitchen sinks that Russia promptly turned into hypersonic stuff that the Western warmongers have no means to shoot down...

I just finished watching US Open ladies' final match. I noticed an empty square next to Sabalenka.

To these motherfvckers, the chain of their infantile stupidity is simple: She was born in Minsk. Lukashenko supports Russia. Let's stick it to the woman. Unfvckingbelievable...

For the first time since I came to the US I was embarrassed to be an American and rooted for Sabalenka. God heard me and she won.

PolAmKrakow
7 Sep 2025  #1116

In other news there have been demonstrations in Kiev over the military crackdowns when it comes to snatching men off the street. Two new laws being created to penalize soldiers more for not serving, and using illegal weapons. Didnt make sense to me when I read the report. The point is, Ukrainian people are getting fed up with the Z dictatorship.

Alien
7 Sep 2025  #1117

the Z dictatorship

There are no elections during wartime.

Bratwurst Boy
7 Sep 2025  #1118

Air strikes across Ukraine - deaths in Kyiv - Polish fighter jets take off

focus.de/politik/ausland/bei-trump-treffen-merz-pocht-auf-waffenruhe-und-druck-auf-putin_21f98b0d-72b1-49a1-b8f9-17b739ba7743.html

Ukrainian cities in almost all parts of the country were targeted by hundreds of combat drones and cruise missiles, injuring dozens of people, local media reported. In the capital, Kyiv, several residential buildings were severely damaged; according to Mayor Vitali Klitschko, there were at least two fatalities and eleven injured. A one-year-old toddler was reportedly among the dead. Poland deployed fighter jets because western regions of Ukraine were also affected....

What a start for a Sunday! 🙁

Alien
7 Sep 2025  #1119

What a start for a Sunday

A day like any other, for 3 years.

Bratwurst Boy
7 Sep 2025  #1120

....still...thats not what you want to read first thing in the morning..with the first cup of hot morning coffee in hand...

PolAmKrakow
7 Sep 2025  #1121

@Alien
Easy solution. Schedule elections as a condition of a cease fire or peace deal. Done and done. But now people will say Putin wont go for it, or he would rig the elections for someone sympathetic to Russia. To that I say, UN oversight solves the problem. But go ahead and make up and roadblocks you want to a common sense solution.

Lenka
7 Sep 2025  #1122

Peace would automatically mean elections as it's the end of wartime. Cease fire is still war so no

Torq
7 Sep 2025  #1123

always there to ruin the day for PF morons

Ahem...



... if you don't want to listen to people here, maybe you will listen to your President.

But now people will say Putin wont go for it, or he would rig the elections for someone sympathetic to Russia

You must admit that there is such possibility.

Mr Grunwald
7 Sep 2025  #1124

Done and done.

Elections aren't a magic event that makes everything go "poof" and "we happy times now"

Wether or not Zelenskyy would be re-elected or a Russian shill would be installed by abusing the formal rules. The Ukrainian people still see the war by and large as a squabble between the elites, that of the Kremlin with the Kiev magnates and the swamp in America that Eurocrats, round table gang other politicians in Europe try to either balance among, use to their own benefit or delay and play for time until a solution appears or Putin dies of natural causes or from coup D'etat by the military.

Elections won't fix a damn thing. Those Ukrainians that are left and keep fighting. Only do so to resist and get back for what was done to them (bombing, killings, slaughters and attempts at removing Ukraine from the map)

Putin and his gang can talk all they want about covert operations, behind the curtain and agents and whatnot. It still does not convince the boots on the ground that they should stop fighting. Putin ignoring the wishes of his own people, that of the Ukrainian people will be his doom. Cause he can't solve what he does not see.

Korvinus
7 Sep 2025  #1125

Putler isn't in any way satisfied with Ukraine being its own country, having its own elections whose outcome putler can't decide out of his bunker, having its own language that isn't being pushed out of relevance and rapelaced with Russian like Belarussian was, having its own culture and identity that isn't just "smallrussians", etc.

If the West cannot properly defend Ukraine, it will just be merged with russia, and lose its identity and language. Which has already happened with Belasrus.

cms neuf
7 Sep 2025  #1126

They could agree to new elections and then the NNs would have their next idea - say that the elections had to be supervised by the North Nigerian army.

All this is just delaying tactics - the Ukrainians have been willing to sign Trump's ceasefire since 150 days.

Ironside
7 Sep 2025  #1127

Putler isn't in any way satisfied with Ukraine being its own country, h

President Putin of Russia represents millions of Russians and the Russian state itself. Trying to belittle him with childish tricks is unwise and ultimately diminishes the person attempting.

Russia has a long-standing tradition of foreign policy aimed at extending its influence and projecting power beyond its borders. This posture affects not only Ukraine but also the entirety of Eastern and Central Europe. By doing so, Russia aims to engage with China on more equal terms and avoid becoming a vassal state.

There is nothing new or surprising in this approach. Moreover, Putin as an individual is not solely responsible for everything happening in the region.

Those influential Americans who believe the situation is simply about prestige, territorial claims, or straightforward demands on Russia's part should reconsider their perspectives.

Bratwurst Boy
7 Sep 2025  #1128

....and get prepared for a new Cold War (with lotsa smaller proxy wars)

Bratwurst Boy
7 Sep 2025  #1129

....but maybe that wouldn't be so bad for the West....he would then at last have to clean the house, pull itself together again, getting ready for the new big contest.

Yes, we won the first one...our way of living, our democratic capitalism won big time...but one could say that victory, with no enemy anymore anywhere, made us fat and dumb and careless!

All quite simplified, I know....but still...and I would had wished Russia this time on our side....

jon357
7 Sep 2025  #1130

@Ironside
In that post, the AI you used got it wrong.

1129
....but maybe that wouldn't be so bad for the West

It's happening now. Except China is the enemy and r*SSia is the scabby dog tied up and barking in their front garden.

and I would had wished ****** this time on our side....

Be careful what you wish for. There's a reason people want to get the hell away from authoritarian regimes.

Bratwurst Boy
7 Sep 2025  #1131

Be careful what you wish for.

Not that Putin-Russia....maybe Gorbatschow-Russia....or any other democratic Russia which would fit in and would want to be part of the West!

There will be a Russia after Putin....it isn't genetically meant to be our enemy....

Velund
7 Sep 2025  #1132

our democratic capitalism won big time...

The only "discipline" in which your "democratic capitalism" won big time is dollar emission (and providing uncontrolled "stabilisation credits" to ECB and BoE from FRS to continue printing euros and pounds at expense of US taxpayers). The standard of living was supported by endless loans - and debts reached such a level that financial markets, already transformed into a huge bubble, will soon be unable to "swallow" the volumes of emission that will be required to at least maintain the rate of real purchase power decline on same level.

Bratwurst Boy
7 Sep 2025  #1133

The only "discipline" in which your "democratic capitalism" won big time is dollar emission

Na ja....I would say it wasn't the "only" discipline but the MAIN one!

Killing your enemy with bombs is possible but won't gain you a win in the deciding "hearts and minds" - category.

And all that winning money has to be earned and owed in the first place....needing a successful economy and (mostly) happy people...something other people want to be part of, belong to....you achieve that best with LOTSA MONEY! ;)

And no, it was never only a fake bubble....otherwise the enemy could have done the same easily, right? But he couldn't, in contrast he got worse and worse...so he lost!

Velund
7 Sep 2025  #1134

but won't gain you a win in the deciding "hearts and minds" - category.

Millions of lemmings cannot be wrong? Unfortunately (for lemmings) we do not participate anymore in a discipline that require to get max. respect of lemmings. ;) Gorbachev tried, but failed miserably.

Bratwurst Boy
7 Sep 2025  #1135

Gorbachev tried, but failed miserable

...not for us Ossis....he most probably saved our bacons in '89!

jon357
7 Sep 2025  #1136

any other democratic ******

Something they've never been interested in.

Bizarre really, that a pariah state of a hundred and something million with a small and shrinking economy should be allowed to cause so much trouble.

They're only China's poodle now and at out of options in their illegal and unprovoked war, however they still think they're some sort of superpower.

Good for Europe's defence industry though.

Velund
7 Sep 2025  #1137

he most probably saved our bacons in '89!

Just to assure that you will be able to reach your final destination few decades later? ;)

Novichok
7 Sep 2025  #1138

or drunk North Nigerian halfwit murderers

That was racist, or you are a moron. Or a comedian with nobody laughing anymore...

Korvinus
7 Sep 2025  #1139

President Putin of Russia represents millions of Russians and the Russian state itself.

If Russians want to be respected they should begin with having actual competitive elections, not Supreme Leader Puttler Popularity Festivals. Also, at least a minimal level of rule of law would help. Otherwise they'll always seen like a typical Eastern satrapy. People may sometimes fear an Eastern satrapy but they'll never respect it.

Novichok
7 Sep 2025  #1140

If Russians want to be respected they should begin with having actual competitive elections,

Russia is more democratic than any Western shlthole, the US included.

Russia has 5 parties in Duma. The US just one.

OK...Two...Democrats and RINOs...

California and Illinois went full commie years ago. Chicago .. a one party dump that would vote for Mao... with his hands still bloody red...


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