Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 29

I would say more than that - people can come to "love" their adversaries.

I love boxing, and I love the history of boxing. You can watch a thousand interviews, with people like Ali, or Frazier, or Tyson - and you will notice this line.

They often talk about the nightmares they have, wherein their future opponent would dethrone them, humiliate them, or even kill them. Right before the bout, they are sitting in their locker rooms, and going through the worst type of existential dread. Their knees are shaking, their stomach is turning, and they want nothing more than to run out into the hallway, and then down the street - never to be found again.

Then there is the fight itself - where you leave every ounce of yourself on the mat.

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Then, when it's someone's funeral many years down the line - everybody turns into a weeping woman, and can't recompose themselves as they recount how they "loved, loved, loved" the man that passed away.

If you listen to George Foreman, it's almost like he loved Ali more than his wife and children.

Your enemy fills your life with meaning. When he's gone, all that remains is a sucking void.

He brought out the best in you, and the best years of your life are forever associated with him.

Nothing is as meaningful, as when you taught him something, or he taught you something.

What a load of stupid Russian mentality tosh!

People can learn from their adversaries in order to improve their performance and even respect them if they are a worthy enemy, but love them???
Don't make me laugh!!!
Ukrainians have learnt nothing from the useless Russians in the war, if anything, it's the other way round.Ukrainians have no respect for Russians because of the way that they are happy to send their men into the "Meat Grinder"!And Ukrainians will NEVER love the Russians.

You don't know anything about humans.

You can love someone, even as they are beating your brains out.

Does it make sense? No.

Is it healthy? Definitely not.

Does it exist? Absolutely.

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The fight creates a special intimacy.

Oh, a Russian is trying to teach US about "Humanity"..... hahahaha!Russians have been one of the most inhuman people in the world for centuries!
So Bobko, please don't lecture us.....


Only for Russians.... that must be a Russian thing.....a kind of Russo-masochistic thing.....

Bobko is the best russian poster, when we'll finally start pushing 150 million russians into gas chambers, I'm going to personally petition Reichsführerin von der Leyen to spare him.

It is far more likely that you will be thoroughly denazified, Kurvinus, than that this will ever happen.

The intimacy of dying in a muddy ditch so your dwarf tsar-god doesn't have to admit he made a mistake....

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Personally, I have no sympathy for the corpses (or soon to be corpse) in the video. They all had a choice and could have stayed home.

I just hope they had some sunflower seeds in their pockets....

This is a thread about Poland's aid for Ukraine but let's take a look at American help for Ukraine since 2025. What gives, Maf?

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Paid off right wing influencers and callous globalist scum are gathering in North Kano for a meeting about investment in the backward shitholes of NN.

Perfect response by the Ukrainians - bomb the nearby refinery so that these hypocritical losers can sip their cappuccino under a massive black cloud.

Trump wants to do business with russia... and he's always personally liked putin (probably not the real person, but a fantasy figure that exists in his imagination). He's hardly the first and won't be the last to think that he can 'reset' relations with russia by offering a chance at mutual prosperity because the last thing the russian government wants is prosperity....

Also, Trump doesn't operate on any kind of political theory or paradigm and doesn't think in terms of longterm national interests, it's all about personalities

He likes/d putin, netanyahu (maybe less since the Iran fiasco), orban cause they present a kind of tough guy of action figure that he aspires to. He likes/d maybe Meloni because she flirted with him and doesn't like Zelenskyy, not because of any real faults but he doesn't present himself like a BigMan (in the political sense).

Those are my hypotheses and I always welcome counter-evidence.

Russia doesn't want to make the same mistake they did last century where they were forced to collapse. That's why, they want to end the war quickly. It could be an opportunity for Ukraine (or their demise).

This war is costing 7-8% of GDP annually, and has involved approximately 1.6-2% of military age males.

The USSR, between 1941-1945, spent approximately 50-60% of GDP on war. Approximately 30-35% of military age males participated in the war.

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Putin is running a very large, very expensive, and very bloody war - but deliberately below full national mobilization.

How many fled abroad to avoid mobilization?

@Alien

Thanks to everybody making it super hard for Russians to get visas - not a lot.

Out of the initial 700-800K that fled, already at least half have returned (primarily due to income reasons).

I imagine they thought they could sit it out for the few weeks it took for the North Nigerians to complete their successful operation.

There can't be many that can sit in European cafes for 5 years with no income though. Good riddance to them - they should do something to overthrow Putler

russians are sheeple... placid and apathetic and obedient to authority (though unfathobably vicious to each other when not being oppressed from above) a culture for hopeless losers...

Such generalisations tell us more about the observer than the observed. All the Russians I have known were awfully good sorts - intelligent, hospitable, generous, and remarkably kind.

Every nation appears hopeless when viewed exclusively through its worst moments, and Russian society has been shaped by centuries of autocracy, revolution, war, and totalitarianism but when you get to know them better you see that they are thoroughly decent people.


Poor form, Maf. :-/

Homo Sovieticus. You can get them to do pretty well anything.

That's just so stupid - what you said.

If I was President of the United States, or the Prime Minister of Britain, or wherever else - I would open the gates wide for any Russians hoping to emigrate.

The wave of Russian emigration in the 1990s provided enormous benefits to the American economy.

You are importing people into which Russia invested tens of thousands of dollars in medical care, education, etc - FOR FREE.

It makes Russia weaker, while simultaneously strengthening you.

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By making Russians feel like Orcs wherever they find themselves abroad, blocking their credit cards, denying them visa extensions, forcing them to resign from universities and businesses - you are sending them right back into Putin's embrace, and communicating a message that regardless of their sacrifices you will always view them as the enemy.

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For Russia, this is excellent news. The West is helping us prevent exactly what happened to Ukraine, where a third of the population moved to North America and Europe - never to return again.

The only places Russians could truly run to - right now - are:

1) Armenia
2) Kazakhstan
3) Kyrgyzstan
4) Georgia
5) Thailand
6) Indonesia
7) Turkey
8) UAE

Every single one of those places has experienced a huge economic stimulus, through the arrival of educated, young, high earners.

Every century or so, the entire western world unites against the "hopeless losers" and goes to them for "lebensraum", resources, and slaves-in order to get a real hard beating from them and rest easy for another 100 years or so, while those who remember the taste of beatings die out, and the rest of population carefully forget everything under propaganda brainwashing.

1609, 1812, 1941, 2026?

@Velund
1609 was just Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth that decided to meddle in Russian internal affairs because of the sheer ambition of the king Sigismund Vasa

Such ambition... that he denied the throne to his own son - whom the Moscow boyars were more than willing to accept.

Now that's ambition!

Thank God Almighty for his ambition, otherwise we would all be speaking Polish now.

It would be easier to understand each other.

That's one thing, and also imagine what this country would have been... all the vastness and resources of Russia coupled with Polish entrepreneurial spirit and the Golden Freedom instead of stinking absolutism! We would have the United States almost two centuries before the actual USA.

If things had gone differently in the early 17th century we would have an irrevocably monopolar world now, with Poland as the only global superpower.

Perhaps.

But the main message is that a Polish king saw the Throne of Rus as so important, that he could not even allow his own son to have it. Historians may tell you something about Catholicism vs Orthodoxy - but the true reason is he simply wanted such an important throne for himself.

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Completely ahistorical and fictional question - do you think that a Tusk or a Kaczynski are such Polish patriots that they would refuse to swap their seat for Putin's?

Somebody else can run Poland, but only Kaczynski can run Russia :)

Kaczyński (even if he knew Russian perfectly), if he were to replace Putin, would be physically eliminated in Russia within a couple of weeks, because the would not be able to navigate the brutal Russian politics

He should try though.

After all, he's a disgrace to Polish politics and an international joke, so it would be better if he went and did that in r*SSia.


Oh dear, what a pity, how sad.

I don't know, I don't know...

Kaczynski has some Lord Voldemort abilities, like Putin himself.

I will try to demonstrate:

1) Power without office: Kaczynski holds power, while rarely occupying the necessary offices. Putin did the same, when he pretended to be Prime Minister during Medvedev's term.

2) He's a party builder, rather than gifted orator: Neother man is famous for electrifying speeches, in the populist style of Donald Trump or Benito Mussolini. Their strength lies more in organization, loyalty networks, personnel selection, and strategic patience.

3) Deep suspicion of elites: Both these fellas developed a tendency to see politics as a struggle among organized factions rather than the traditional American "marketplace of ideas". Both Kaczynski and Putin were shaped by the chaos of the 1990s.

4) Ascetism/Austerity: Kaczyński became famous in Poland for his remarkably modest personal lifestyle. Putin's personal image, whatever one thinks of it, has anlways emphasized discipline, self-control, and a lack of obvious hedonism.

5) Total focus on loyalty: Enough said.

6) The Virgin Mary image: Kaczynski never married and lives with his cats. In Russia, we are supposed to pretend that Putin doesn't have a mistress, and doesn't have children on the side. Putin only cares about us - he has no need of family.

All of the power, none of the responsibility. Just a "szeregowy poseł", you know.


Yeah, if gathering compromat on everyone can be called party building.


Sounds more like a mob leader.


Here I agree. Kaczynski doesn't give a flying f*ck about money. His drug is power. However, in the process of building his net of loyalty, he spent unholy amounts of money (Poland's money!).


I really wish you wouldn't compare the Holy Virgin to either of the midgets in question!

@Torq

So you confirm that Pan Kaczynski is a worthy opponent to our Tsar Batyushka?

I didn't even mention that they are both midgets - but thank you for not forgetting this. This cannot but have long term effects on the psyche of these two people...


This is what is true about Putin as well.

He has more money than God. He doesn't need it.

If tomorrow, Putin commands the head of the presidential administration to collect a "tithe" from Russia's oligarchs - the next morning they would all line up to sacrifice their wealth to him.

If he wants to buy something, then people will buy it for him - same day - and be happy that he accepted their gift.

Putin has absolutely no need of money - which is why I find all western reports of his alleged graft hilarious. These people don't understand Russia.