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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 29



Torq
4 Jun 2026  #211

Pan Kaczynski is a worthy opponent to our Tsar Batyushka?

I shouldn't wonder if in some departments, they would prove formidable competitors.

collect a "tithe" from Russia's oligarchs - the next morning they would all line up to sacrifice their wealth to him

One could almost imagine the scene having been lifted from Day of the Oprichnik. :)

If he wants to buy something, then people will buy it for him

Ha, ha - reminds me of a certain Polish bishop who always claimed that he was merely a modest, poor clergyman who doesn't really own anything. "If I need a car, I just ask my priests and they buy it for me.", he used to say.

mafketis
4 Jun 2026  #212

Meanwhile, Ukraine hits a russian corvette class warship in Kronstadt near Leningrad... hundreds of kilometers from Ukraine

x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2062092274834563385

and brave russians attack an ambulance in Kherson...

x.com/nexta_tv/status/2062578879106027737

Bobko
4 Jun 2026  #213

Polish bishop who always claimed that he was merely a modest, poor clergyman who doesn't really own anything

Classic Orthodox priest. With Patek Philippe watch, and a Mercedes S-Klasse with chauffeur.

One could almost imagine the scene

The reason Sorokin writes this way... is because the reality is such.

formidable competitors

Poles, historically, have been incredible administrators of Russians.

Torq
4 Jun 2026  #214

The reason Sorokin writes this way...

Summer holidays are fast approaching and I will have more time to read, so there's a parcel with 12 books about Russia on its way to me. And I finally have to read Oblomov!

Poles, historically, have been incredible administrators of Russians.

Because we genuinely love you, and are genuinely obsessed with you. There is even a book entitled Polska-Rosja. Historia obsesji, obsesja historii. :)

Bobko
4 Jun 2026  #215

Polska-Rosja. Historia obsesji, obsesja historii

It's important to add - that the Poles who played super prominent roles in Russia - all fully embraced the idea of Russia.

Dzerzhinsky, Rokossovski, Czartoryski, Menzhinsky, Dowbor-Muśnicki, Muravyov-Vilensky, Marchlewski, Kon, and even Pilsudski (YES!).

-//-

Very few nations produced ex patriot sons who left such deep marks on a foreign empire.

Maybe only Kosciusko in America is in the same ranks and Bernadotte in Sweden.

Torq
4 Jun 2026  #216

all fully embraced the idea of Russia

I know I repeat myself but if you imagine the opposite - Russia fully embracing the idea of Poland (as a result of Polish victory in 1612, for example) - you get a recipe for a galactic superpower. Alas, history - the suka-blyat that she is - had other plans. :(

cms neuf
4 Jun 2026  #217

You are importing people...

Big joke ! That medical care is easy to see in plenty of YouTube horror videos and the result is that NN has life expectancy at African levels. Let in thousands of alcohol addicted chain smokers just so their early infirmity can be paid for by hard working Europeans ?

As for education, sure you are good at math, but 80 percent vote for Putler - meaning they explicitly approve of the war crimes, the illegal invasion and that they believe in colonialism. Who cares if they are the next Sergej Brin? - the west has a surfeit of dysfunctional tech billionaires and we can miss out on a few more.

I don't know what industries and professions are booming on the wide steppes of Central Asia because of this influx of draft dodgers, but we can observe it from afar. No way can we have NN immigrants sending money home via crooked Revolut scams to fund more bombs and drones

Miloslaw
4 Jun 2026  #218

Russian society has been shaped by centuries of autocracy, revolution, war, and totalitarianism...

Very true, but they are not brave enough to stand up and rebel against that $h1t......

Russia is fvcked part 174....



Russia is fvcked part 175......



Russia is completely fvcked part 176!



Korvinus
7 Jun 2026  #219

Is over.

At this point nato/Eu can clearly prop up ukraine longer than how long russia can hold the pretense/economy/infra to still act as a minor global power.

Velund
7 Jun 2026  #220

but 80 percent vote

You started to sound like that democratic elections, folluwing the due procedure, can bring to power someone other than best possible candidate....

Bobko
8 Jun 2026  #221

can bring to power someone other than best possible candidate

As some Indian guru famously said, "Democracy is rule of the people, by the people, for the people - but the people are retarded."

-//-

Why is India not China?

Maybe because Chinese people are harder working, smarter, and less prone to various vices... This is probably what many Chinese people might prefer to think.

But also maybe.... it is because India has spent so much of its energy on fighting its internal fights, while China had been focused instead on lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty.

The world's largest democracy, is also one of the most dysfunctional states in the world.

jon357
8 Jun 2026  #222

No way can we have NN immigrants sending money home via crooked Revolut scams

We need to stop citizens of that country who are abroad having access to Revolut and other services.

Bobko
8 Jun 2026  #223

Revolut

Created by a Russian, to free you Brits from the chains of financial slavery.

mafketis
8 Jun 2026  #224

chains of financial slavery

Where's Nabiullina? She skipped the shindig in SP (which kind of made the whole thing even more pointless....)

Purged?

Allowed to quit?

Something else?

jon357
8 Jun 2026  #225

Created by a Russian

Created by a Ukrainian and a r*SSian and operating in free countries rather than r*SSia.
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There's every reason to prevent citizens of the evil empire from using any sort of international services until they lose the war.

Velund
8 Jun 2026  #226

The world's largest democracy, is also one of the most dysfunctional states in the world.

Democracy has one fatal flaw, but alas, it is unsolvable: campaign lies. You can promise anything you want, but once the "best" (i.e., the most dishonest) candidate is elected, he is under no obligation to deliver on any of those promises. Nothing! He begins to pursue only his own goals and those of his financial backers (and there's no getting out of this one-the bigwigs with the dirt won't let him). Trump. He promised MAGA. Did he deliver? Next... Zelensky. Promised peace, at any cost. And didn't deliver. So what does the "democracy manual" say? Let's read it. "In the event of failure to fulfill campaign promises, the voter has the right not to vote for that a$$hole in the next election." Is that all? That's all.
But monarchies and autocracies are free of this global flaw. There's no need to lie. And if an honest dialogue with society is established, there's no need to replace one set of democrats with another, who haven't yet been tainted.

Miloslaw
8 Jun 2026  #227

Democracy has one fatal flaw, but alas, it is unsolvable:

And what would a Russian know about Democracy?Your country has never experienced it......

So, you prefer Autocracy and Dictatorship, I would argue that hasn't worked out too well for Russia......

Russia is fvcked part 177.



This is a brief early history of Russia.Nothing has changed.... it is still a chaotic state where people seem to die mysteriously all the time.....



Tacitus
9 Jun 2026  #228

So what does the "democracy manual" say

Say what you want about democracy. But a democratic system at least doesn't allow its' leaders to get away with conducting an incredible costly war with unclear objective.

The US suffered 50k dead in Vietnam and had to withdraw due to domestic pressure.

Putin has thrown away the lifes 500k Russians with no end in sight with nobody in Russia who can stop him.

mafketis
9 Jun 2026  #229

utin has thrown away the lifes 500k Russians with no end in sight with nobody in Russia who can stop him

Oh it's worse.... hardly anybody _wants_ to stop him, russians have never been upset by a russian government killing them in large numbers....

Paulina
9 Jun 2026  #230

But monarchies and autocracies are free of this global flaw. There's no need to lie.

Really? Why do monarchies and autocratic regimes lied in the past and still lie these days then? And they even go as far as imprisoning and killing the dissidents who are telling the truth about what's going on in the country?

And if an honest dialogue with society is established

That's not what's happening in monarchies and autocracies though🤦

Oh it's worse.... hardly anybody _wants_ to stop him

It looks like it...

russians have never been upset by a russian government killing them in large numbers....

It's chilling, but I have the same impression...

Tacitus
9 Jun 2026  #231

russians have never been upset by a russian government killing them in large numbers

Well, the war in Afghanistan was very unpopular and led to protests in Russia. So did the first war in Chechnya.

Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2026  #232

What a disaster! 😡

The Franco-German fighter jet project FCAS has failed

zeit.de/politik/2026-06/deutsch-franzoesisches-kampfjet-projekt-fcas-ist-gescheitert

...
The abbreviation FCAS stands for Future Combat Air System. According to previous plans, this future air combat system was to include a joint fighter jet, drones, and new communication systems. It was intended to be operational from the 2040s onward and also serve as a response to US defense developments. The plan was for it to replace the Eurofighter used by the German Armed Forces and the French Rafale. ....

....Nevertheless, it is likely that two new aircraft will be built, which will then be brought together under one roof. Dassault intends to further develop its Rafale. Airbus could, for example, collaborate with the Swedish defense company Saab, which builds the Gripen fighter jet, or participate in a British-Japanese-Italian project for a fighter jet. .....

The reason why Europe will never be as strong as the US or Russia....being EUROPE!

On the other hand I just read that Ukraine is busy (and seemingly successful) developing their own weapon systems....we should get them into the EU pronto!

mafketis
9 Jun 2026  #233

led to protests in Russia. So did the first war in Chechnya

So russians overwhelmingly support things like this.....

x.com/NAFOvoyager/status/2063987043529601174

which is why I don't care what happens to them... and why Ukraine can name those fighting agains this whatever it wants

Bobko
9 Jun 2026  #234

That's not what's happening in monarchies and autocracies

You do recognize that some of the richest countries in the world are run or used to be run by monarchies and autocracies, right?

Taiwan had been run for more than half a century by the Kuomintang. Same with Japan - where the LDP was essentially a feudal kingdom, with different prominent Japanese families rotating in and out of power.

South Korea was built by dictators, not much kinder than those in the North.

Singapore was led by an autocrat, throughout the entire period where it transformed from a fishing village into a global financial center.

The Emirates are ruled by an absolute monarchy. As are the Qataris, and Saudis, and Kuwaitis, etc.

Morocco is much better managed than many of its neighbors, as is Jordan.

Autocratic Kazakhstan, is much wealthier than democratic Kyrgyzstan. Autocratic Azerbaijan is much wealthier than democratic Armenia or Georgia.

Autocratic Hitler and Mussolini delivered much better economic results than democratic France or Britain.

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America is used as *the example* of why Democracy is superior, in nearly every debate, but the arguments rarely take into account all the other advantages America benefits from besides its unique institutions.

cms neuf
9 Jun 2026  #235

Maybe compare Poland to its potato head neighbor in Belarus - next door, similar levels of development and GDP in 1989

Or Croatia to Serbia - literally the same starting point in 1990

This seems like a new alley of propaganda - that a nation needs a wise and tough but fair Daddy to guide the sheep.

In reality this dude is holed up in a mountain somewhere in the Urals, **** scared of his own population, worried that his bodyguards will kill him and wondering if someone put a kill switch on his helicopter.

Hopefully he get to The Hague so that he serves prison time for his foul war crimes. But equally likely will swing from a lamppost like Mussolini did - after losing an interesting debate about Italy's economic progress.

mafketis
9 Jun 2026  #236

literally the same starting point in 1990

If anything Serbia might have had the edge (given that the capital was there).

Miloslaw
9 Jun 2026  #237

Poland is the ONLY European country that is taking defence seriously.....because of their history...... what is the matter with the rest of Europe?



cms neuf
9 Jun 2026  #238

Poland is the ONLY European country that is taking defence seriously...

It's untrue - plenty of other European countries spent the same or more as Poland. France for example spent 46 billion Euro compared to 38 billion for Poland

What is required is that more money from all NATO partners goes into drones, marine drones etc and not money pit fighter jets

Miloslaw
9 Jun 2026  #239

It's untrue - plenty of other European countries spent the same or more as Poland.

You talk bollox as usual.It's not about how much you spend but what percentage of GDP you spent.

Here are the figures;

France - 2.03%
Germany - 2.27%
UK - 2.35%
Poland - 4.5%

Now please £uck off with your lies!

Przelotnyptak1
9 Jun 2026  #240

European countries spent the same or more as Poland.

One of the most misleading examples, but then again, posted by Golden Moron, no thinking required.


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