Brexit 2019 and Poland

I'm rather fond of German and wish it were used much more internationally, French I can take or leave alone (mostly leave alone though I have a lingering fondness for Quebecois...)

I find "International" English to be boring at best and hideous at worst and that used by EU officials to be especially awful...

THREE CHEERS, MAF!

Wrong.We are out of the EU, not out of Europe.
We can never leave Europe.......


That is very true, the French are unbelievable..... look at the stupidity of moving the EU parliament to Strasbourg once a month.
Why?
Just to appease the arrogant French......

Here is the latest blow to the EU.... Nissan backs UK and will pull out of EU....

express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1237144/brexit-news-latest-nissan-uk-factory-car-production

Problem is, Milo, that many see "EU" and "Europe" as one and the same!
European countries which aren't EU members are still considered "European", yet historically, Great Britain has largely regarded herself as somehow removed
from Europe.

Must have told this story to death, but when I was first in London with our high school in around '71, I clearly recall remarking to an older woman when asked how I'm enjoying the town, "I'm so excited. I've never been to Europe!", and her withering response, "Young man, you're not in Europe, you're in England! Europe is the Continent."

That was 1971 mate and I remember those days well.
Times have changed, you need to visit London again and you will find a very dynamic, energetic and optimistic European city.

"...European city."

From your keypad to Bojo's ear:-)

What I said....a German being persistent looks different! ;)

What the future holds, you just never know.

I like English as lingua franca of Europe. I speak and write it (including typos), it is easy to learn for most Europeans....and I dunno if Germans could handle so many people mangling and abusing/misusing and in the long run changing our dear language.

...making German by that definition a "superior" tongue in that one needn't necessarily butcher a language in pursuit of expressing oneself both aesthetically as well as creatively in it.

....you mean only very intelligent people are able to learn it, right? :)

Apropos Nissan:

"....The plan much needed good news for employees - in the last few years Nissan has cut hundreds of jobs at the Sunderland plant because not enough people were buying diesel cars.

It then cancelled the production of two of its models at the plant in a devastating move for workers.

A spokesman for Nissan denied they had Brexit contingency plans..."

But that is interesting too:

"...They said: "We've modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the UK and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs."..."

thesun.co.uk/news/10878964/nissan-vows-to-pull-out-of-eu-and-boost-uk-hub-if-brussels-blocks-trade/

When there will be no trade agreement then Nissan is only the first...which has to decide....

PS: Nissan Germany seems to stay...Germany is EU too!

Well, B.B., now that you bring it up....
What's wrong with elitism? After all, to be politically INcorrect, plenty feel it, only few these days are gutsy enough in public to admit it!

But what language(s) the EU uses internally is no longer any business of the British, anymore than it's the business of the Norwegians..

Out means out.

True.
But the eurpean people will continue to use English as a second language, just as the rest of the world does.
That is unstoppable.....

Agreed.
As I've always contended, let my bus. partner abroad speak English, let them speak till both of us are blue in the face.
Doesn't bother me.

I simply ask at the end of the conference or meeting for a recap in the "original" language and we're happy as a pig in manure. They act shocked, I merely thank them for their efforts, then, ask what they really meant and applaud them for their attempt, a la "Good show, Manfred ol' bean. Rock on!!" "Sewaryn, getting better, I hear improvements constantly!"

They usually get the point. This scenario only works in countries with whose language I'm conversant.

And depressing.... it degrades the language so...

Three more cheers from yours truly, Maf, for whatever they're worth!
:-)

You know what brat Jozef Pilsudski told me? He told me: ``Just tell them that we didn`t fight for this. Not for this.`` That was Pan`s message.

Plemeniti brat Jozef Pilsudski

As the UK is no longer an EU member, the only Union country where English is the official language is Ireland. It has practical consequences - for example, all ATMs in Brussels had their display updated...



... :)

Heh:) Interesting! :)

Indeed.

A country with namely two (2) official languages to boot!
So far as I can tell, England has only one to date.

This bit actually makes sense...



"I want Brexit to be the beginning of a continent-wide debate. What do we want from Europe? If we want trade, friendship and mutual cooperation, then we don't need the European Commission. We don't need European courts, we don't need all those institutions with all that power (...) No more financial obligations, no European Court of Justice, no common fishing policy! No lecturing, no threatening! And no more Guy Verhofstadt!"

... I don't agree entirely, but I understand the sentiment.

Oh, well - I suppose we will have to observe closely in the coming years how well the United Kindom does outside the EU, and draw proper conclusions from what we see.

If we want trade, friendship and mutual cooperation, then we don't need the European Commission. We don't need European courts, we don't need all those institutions with all that power (...) No more financial obligations, no European Court of Justice, no common fishing policy! No lecturing, no threatening!

Only if you are an imperial Brit, tearing up remembering "perfidious Albion"!

Remember the times without the EU...whenever have Europeans lived together with only "trade, friendship and mutual cooperation"?

European history had been wars and bloodshed for over 2 Millennia...with Britain playing the role of the kingmaker, always supporting one side over the other, so that it's power position was never threatened...if that meant war and destruction then so be it...

For such a politician the EU is of course EVIL!!! Because it did put an end to that, took away this power from London...and what now? No more wars....and the member countries actually do trade in friendship and mutual cooperation already! :)

No, if the EU would be abolished only an imperialist Brit would be happy, the rest of Europe would return to it's old ways...which have never been about friendship and mutual cooperation!

Think about where that will leave Poland and then draw the proper conclusions from that!

If we want trade, friendship and mutual cooperation, then we don't need the European Commission. We don't need European courts, we don't need all those institutions with all that power...

PS: It seems we need the EU for that exactly! Because if not, why didn't Europeans manage such a long period without war and destruction before? Honest question here...

When we had the EEC.

....Britain wasn't a founding member either!

The Brits disliked the EEC as they do now dislike the EU....with the same argumentation:

"The United Kingdom was invited to participate in talks which led to the European Union's predecessors: the Treaty of Paris (1951) which established the European Coal and Steel Community and the Treaty of Rome (1957) which established the European Economic Community and the European Atomic Energy Community. The British did not engage in a significant way with these talks and signed neither treaty at the time.

They disliked many of the supranational and technocratic elements in the treaties. They were worried about damaging links with the Commonwealth, and they wished to pursue a 'one-world economic system' policy in which sterling was a central currency.The United Kingdom's non-participation in the European Coal and Steel Community and the European Economic Community at the beginning meant than when Britain joined the European Economic Community in 1973 it had to accept many elements that have proved controversial with British voters: its supranationalism, common agricultural policy, and budget...."

ukandeu.ac.uk/fact-figures/why-did-the-united-kingdom-not-join-the-european-union-when-it-started/

Their problem was always the loss of power....that will be the same with ANY kind of "cooperation in mutual trust and friendship" outside of London!

Some Brits just want their Empire back...not a union of equals!

Not true.

In 1975 I and most Brits voted to remain in the EEC.

Whereas we recently voted to leave the EU.

The EEC was fine but these empire building lunatics just wouldn't leave it alone.
They morphed it into the EC and then the EU............. madness...........

As we say here, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

So is the EU....

Sorry Milo....you better try to rebuild your Commonwealth now...good luck!

The EU is starting to fall apart.
I give it 10 years unless it reforms.

I'm not imagining a slow process, but the internal contradictions aren't being addressed (and will not be addressed if the EU establishment has its way).

What I imagine is it continuing on the current course for a long time and then suddenly imploding (something like the USSR though the manner it implodes will be very different).

My bet is Italy sooner or later leaving the euro at which point all bets are off.

Because a Britain left which was always a naysayer ?

The EU can't (and won't) take in all these countries standing in a queue to become members....

And as reforms can only come from the inside, from it's members...Britain should had stayed if it wanted reforms so badly!


And then?

Back to "trade in cooperation and mutual friendship" as we did always so well as the european history shows so profoundly???

You know what? All it's critics would have alot more going for them (and alot more willing ears) if they could present an alternative which guarantees what the EU can. The "back to the old ways" just isn't going to cut it anymore (when you aren't british)!