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Slavictor
24 Jan 2019  #61

disgusting way to talk about a politician

Politicians are inherently disgusting so the language is appropriate.




Tacitus
24 Jan 2019  #62

returning them to the north African coast immediately.

Too bad that the North Africans are not having that... They don't want their own citizen back, you think they would let refugees be offloaded there?

There were many ideas how to deal with migrants from Africa. Like building large centres in Libya or Tunisia. None of them were realized because of the aformentioned reason.

Rich Mazur
24 Jan 2019  #63

Can somebody here explain to me what is the point in allowing thousands of useless migrants from Africa into Europe, with the supply of said useless migrants from Africa being infinity?

TheOther
24 Jan 2019  #64

Too bad that the North Africans are not having that.

I wouldn't ask them for their permission. When they fish people out of the ocean, they know the exact location at that specific moment and can easily tell where they originally hopped in their boat. Just return them to sender.

Rich Mazur
24 Jan 2019  #65

Just let them drown and the world will be a better place.

TheOther
24 Jan 2019  #66

Just let them drown

You can do better than that, man.

I like you more and more, even if it is not reciprocated.

Nothing is real here. Every member is a fake character; there is no person to like or dislike. It's the content that counts, and I respond accordingly.

Rich Mazur
24 Jan 2019  #67

You can do better than that, man.

I agree. Quit sending money, food, and medicine to Africa. Blacks are as smart as whites, I was told, so they can take care of their own asses.

TheOther
24 Jan 2019  #68

Blacks are as smart as whites,

You better hope that the others are, because our white asses are slowly dying out. Two more generations and Caucasians are in the minority. Affirmative action and equal opportunity for you and me. Who would have thought?

dolnoslask
24 Jan 2019  #69

white asses are slowly dying out

Survival of the fittest. good old darwinian theory, make the most of it white boy.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jan 2019  #70

...all that pessimism again guys? :)

dolnoslask
24 Jan 2019  #71

But there's all sorts of other factors like sickle cell ebola and diabetes, so who knows what the future makeup of Europe will be.

TheOther
24 Jan 2019  #72

make the most of it white boy.

Okay, you convinced me. I will have some wild parties with lots of booze and chicks before I ride into the sunset... ;)

Tacitus
24 Jan 2019  #73

I wouldn't ask them for their permission.

Without permission, it would be the Europeans who were breaking international law and leave anyone who would be involved open to prosecution and arrest by African officials, e.g the cost guard. Do you think anyone would volunteer to steer a boat back if he knew that he could be sentenced to years in an African prison?

dolnoslask
24 Jan 2019  #74

I will have some wild parties with lots of booze and chicks before I ride into the sunset...

Now we are talking, nothing like a good doomsday party, plenty of booze and girls looking for a last fling before Armageddon.

Hey those guys who start cults aint all that stupid you know.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jan 2019  #75

A "Doomsday party"...YEAH! :)

Rich Mazur
24 Jan 2019  #76

Do you think anyone would volunteer to steer a boat back if he knew that he could be sentenced to years in an African prison?

And why is that boat there if not to break the immigration laws of the country where it will go to off-load its garbage?
Yes, I know, only non-whites can enforce their laws. I got it.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jan 2019  #77

I still think one or two camps under EU flag would take care of that problem better than anything what happens now.

Boat people could be dragged back to the libyan coast without sending them directly back to the slaver and trafficker...

TheOther
24 Jan 2019  #78

Europeans who were breaking international law

Why would they break international law if the ships would wait right at the edge of the maritime border? I didn't mean that you drop the migrants off at the beach. Make them turn around and "convince" them to paddle back voluntarily. If necessary, with force.

could be sentenced to years in an African prison?

Why would that be a European problem?

Look, I have no issue with real asylum seekers as long as they are vetted and legal, and are holding a valid passport. No official papers, no entry into the EU. Economic migrants, especially when they try to sneak in illegally, are a whole different story. No place at the table for them.

Hey those guys who start cults aint all that stupid you know.

But then they tell you to drink the Kool-aid...

Tacitus
24 Jan 2019  #79

Make them turn around and "convince" them to paddle back voluntarily.

Good luck with that. Those people are desperate enough trying to cross the sea with barely seaworthy boats, you think they will decide to turn around when asked?

Why would that be a European problem?

Because naturally you would have Europeans steering the boat, since none of the migrants would do it.

If necessary, with force.

And how would that look like in practice?

dolnoslask
24 Jan 2019  #80

decide to turn around when asked?

In the old days you would fire a warning shot then if no response sink it and collect any survivors if any, I guess that used to be an effective deterrent for those who might of wished to follow. Now dolno puts on his tin hat for snowflake incoming.

Tacitus
24 Jan 2019  #81

You don't need to be a snowflake to think resorting to murder is not a valid solution.

jon357
24 Jan 2019  #82

In the old days you would fire a warning shot then if no response sink it and collect any survivors if any,

And you certainly don't need to be a 'snowflake' to aspire to being better than killing unarmed civillians.

TheOther
24 Jan 2019  #83

And how would that look like in practice?

Let's be realistic, Tacitus. At some point in time Europe has to come up with a solution. Population growth in most African and Middle/ Far Eastern nations is through the roof, and the only way for them to escape poverty and starvation will be to move somewhere else. We are not talking about a few million migrants here, but tens of millions over the next 25 to 50 years. Do you really expect the EU to throw its doors wide open and let anyone in? Keep in mind that family reunification will bring in tens of millions more. It would only be a matter of time before social systems in Europe collapse. Nobody wants that.

This is not a "The sky is falling" scenario, Tacitus, but simply the future. Just look at Nigeria. According to a U.N. report titled 'World Population Prospects: The 2017 Revision', the country will be the third most populous country in the world by 2050. Projected population numbers for Africa: 2.5 billion people by 2050. Your humanitarian approach won't work, no matter how hard you try.

wad.jrc.ec.europa.eu/populationdistribution

delphiandomine
24 Jan 2019  #84

I still think one or two camps under EU flag would take care of that problem better than anything what happens now.

I've been saying it for years, but setting up camps in Macedonia, Albania and other poor non-EU countries makes sense. It would provide employment for locals, while migrants could be carefully vetted in such a place. If someone is an economic migrant from sub-Saharan Africa, give them a simple choice: agree to return, or spend the rest of your days in the migrant camp. They'll have food, water and shelter, but nothing else.

It shouldn't take more than 24 hours to assess whether someone is genuine or not. Europe will be massively unattractive if they know that the penalty for getting caught is immediate deportation to the camps.

My personal feeling is that Europe won't become a guarded island in our lifetimes, but by 2100 or so, I'd fully expect Europe to be armed to the teeth to stop migrants.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jan 2019  #85

I've been saying it for years, but setting up camps in Macedonia, Albania and other poor non-EU countries makes sense

I would start with Greece...it would provide the deeply indebted country with a steady income, they have the place (empty islands), are in the right location (Med) and many refugees are already stranded there albeit currently under suboptimal conditions.

I wish Greece would act sensible for once. Offering such a solution (loaning out some islands to the EU to set up real camps for the long run) to Brussels could become extremely valuable soon...it would be a win-win situation.

delphiandomine
24 Jan 2019  #86

I would start with Greece...

I would too, but the Greeks are way too stubborn and stupid to accept it, even though it would make perfect sense to use somewhere like Gyaros in the beginning.

I don't believe in inhumane solutions, but a very clear (and enforced) agreement between Schengen countries that anyone caught illegally in the Schengen space is immediately deported to the camps for processing would soon discourage the vast majority of economic migrants. Genuine refugees would have nothing to fear.

dolnoslask
24 Jan 2019  #87

Absolutely.

Bratwurst Boy
24 Jan 2019  #88

but a very clear (and enforced) agreement between Schengen countries that anyone caught illegally in the Schengen space is immediately deported to the camps

*nods*

That would be it!

Tacitus
24 Jan 2019  #89

Do you really expect the EU to throw its doors wide open and let anyone in?

Of course not. But the problem is very complicated, which is why no effective solution has been found so far. Those "easy" solutions usually fall apart when look how they would look like in practice.

@Bratwurst Boy

Offering such a solution to Brussels could become extremely valuable soon...

Indeed, but it would also leave every government open to the accusation that they turned their country into a dumping ground for refugees. Electorial poison so to speak.

TheOther
24 Jan 2019  #90

But the problem is very complicated

It is, but Europe doesn't have much time left to come up with a solution for that particular problem. It's not about the refugees/ migrants who are already there, it's about those who are waiting at your doorstep. Too many to handle already, and the population numbers in their countries of origin continue to explode. It's a ticking time bomb.


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