European News and Poland Thread 2

I mean that regardless of German contribution that in a small part goes to Poland,(most goes to the EU)German economy gets those money back from Poland - indirekt.

Es ist leicht zu verstehen.

Not really....

Alone in 2020 Poland got 18,99 Billion Euros from the EU. In 2019 it was 16,3 Billion Euros....in 2018 it was 15,8 Billion Euros...this are facts!

For this 3 years alone the financial support from the EU Poland got was 51 Billion Euros....and the support started already back in 2004!

statista.com/statistics/1135294/poland-s-contributions-to-and-receipts-from-the-eu-budget/

Maybe you can bring some stats and numbers to compare the polish contributions? Maybe both balanced with each other it is really not so much as you claim...

Just for my easier understanding, you know! :)

PS: Interesting what Poles have to say about that:

...Between 2007 and 2013 our country received over 67 billion EUR from the EU's budget.So far were disposed over 85% of these funds for e.g.new roads, airports, motorways, modernisation of the rural areas and the country's Eastern regions.

Between 2014 and 2020 our country will jointly receive EUR 105.8 billion from the EU's budget - EUR 72.9 billion for the cohesion policy and EUR 28.5 billion for agricultural policy. It means almost 4 billion euro more than Poland received from the previous EU budget. These funds will be invested in such areas as scientific research and its commercialization, the key road connections (motorways, expressways), business development, environmentally friendly transport (rail, public transport), digitization of the country (broadband Internet access, e-government services), the inclusion of social and professional activity. Make use of Poland's advantages in the EU! Between 2007 and 2020 Poland will be the EU's largest recipient of funding. ...

paih.gov.pl/why_poland/eu_funds

They seem to value the support more than you it seems.....

This is probably one of the my favourite myths about Merkel. Completely nonsensical and nowadays used often by Brexiteers as justification for their stupid decision. No, no, it wasn't decades of lies told by a Europhobic press and political class... or a campaign fuelled on lies, false promises and racism and enabled by opportunistic politicians... and the gullibility of the voters who fell for those lies or were ignorant about the magnitude of their decision.... No, it was once again the fault of those dastardly Germans.

Okay....any proof for your theory?

It isn't only a myth:

... Their performance on the refugee issue last late summer / early autumn gave rise to these fears. In Europe there was a loss of control, disorder. At the center of this temporary loss of control of a state and a community of states: Germany.

This topic, migration and the temporary refugee chaos in Europe, therefore dominated the entire election campaign for Brexit. Therefore, again sorry to say: This Brexit is also Merkel's Brexit.

cicero.de/aussenpolitik/britisches-referendum-was-merkel-mit-dem-brexit-zu-tun-hat

There is even a Wiki page about it:

Lord Ashcroft's election day poll of 12,369 voters also discovered that 'One third (33%) [of leave voters] said the main reason was that leaving "offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders."'.[3]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_vote_in_favour_of_Brexit#Immigration

And one look at the EU....at Merkel's 2015 decision was enough to tip the scale...and still it was fairly close....without Merkel's 2015 it is doubtful the leavers would have won....my theory!

....However irrational some of the anxieties of the British electorate might have been, the refugee crisis was also a major contributing factor to Brexit (Caporaso 2018: 1348; Nugent 2018: 59)..

cambridge.org/core/journals/government-and-opposition/article/merkels-germany-and-the-european-union-between-emergency-and-the-rule-of-rules/224DFD746299437EB86252C4372A5E65

I guess just by skimming through the net there are alot more advocates of "Merkel's Brexit" around than those who absolve her of any involvement...it's not only "a myth"!

Not to forget:

...During the U.K. referendum on EU membership in 2016, Brexit campaigners used images of refugees en route to Germany as an example of everything that had gone wrong in Europe....

politico.eu/article/germany-broke-the-eu-migration-crisis-refugees/

Fair enough.

lets not forget she humiliated david cameron when he was asking for minimal concessions just before the referendum (i think 2 year waiting period for benefits for eu migrants), and send him back looking like a lackey to imperial germany. if she had offered something for him to give to the electorate the brexit vote would have gone the other way. Hey taktytus this is a pattern with you, you make bold unproven statements that you get from your german greenleft media, get your ass kicked like with the call to prayer by bratwurst then it's like you have a memory blank and come back to do it again with bold, false and crazy claims.

Great point!
I think that was a large factor in the pro Brexit vote.

I don't think there was any single huge factor, it was a lot of small things, the massive migrant failure of 2015 was absolutely a factor as was Merkel's imperial style with other heads of state....

I think one of the biggest factors was the common perception that the EU was full of unnecessary rules pushed by the French that the UK then followed while the French did not....

In that case I can't help you. If you don't understand that German firms in Poland are transfering profits made in Poland. That for every Euro they transfer back into German economy 80 cents.

Cut off those money from Poland and you will be cutting off billions of Euro from German economy.

You must have some numbers or stats to get to that opinion, don't you.....you are not the typ to believe what someone just told you, aren't you?

Just show me the info you got, we can look at them together...then I also will understand....

So you don't think that companies from Germany make profits or pay dividends to shareholders?

Sure they do....some do.....but these are private profits, I have nothing from it....but the Billions of european funds Poland gets are state paid, by yours taxpayer truly.....

Not to forget the balancing.....what about the polish profits in that? The taxes it gets from the profiting company? The investments? The ability to trade in the whole EU without extra costs? Do you think it's only one sided?

There have companies moved to Poland....they now guarantee food on the table for polish workers instead of german worker....great trade, aren't it? All under the umbrella of the EU...

"For every 1 euro paid to Poland, German economy recovers 86 eurocents"

biznes.wprost.pl/gospodarka/317666/z-kazdego-euro-wplaconego-do-polski-niemcy-odzyskuja-86-eurocent.html

Hmm....I got only the same statement from google translate but still no stats, no reasoning at all....how does Minister Bieńkowska get to that conclusion?

I could also just claim like that that without membership in the EU, without the Billions of EU funds, without Germany's help Poland would still look no better today than Ukraine....

I pointed to the many well-documented factors that led to Brexit. All of them were instrumental in bringing on Brexit. The idea that it was Merkel who tipped the scale might be popular among Brexiteers and those who like to demonize her, but it simply does not hold up and it let those off the hook who were truly responsible. If you want to blame someone personally, blame Cameron for arranging the referendum for petty reasons without any concern of winning it. Blame Johnson for his opportunistic support (without actually believing they would win) blame Farage for his demagoguery. Blame the red NHS bus. Even if you believe that the refugee crisis was decisive, that would still leave the question just why so many British people fell for that racist scaremongering. The French are our neighbours and actually did take some refugees, yet did not vote for MLP a few months later. The answer to this brings us back to the British establishment. Finally, if the refugee crisis was against all logic decisive, that would beg the question what would have happened if Merkel had reacted differently. If she had left the refugees in Southern Europe and watched as it descended into chaos. Those pictures would have served nicely as propaganda for Brexit as well, and probably would have caused the affected countries to consider leaving the EU as well.

In short, blaming Merkel for Brexit is like blaming Poland for the outbreak of WWII. Yeah, Poland's refusal to hand over Danzig provided a nice justification for Hitler, but he planned to go to war regardless and the way it happened possibly prevented a worse outcome.

When immigration generally and the refugee crisis of 2015 was such an important topic in the build up to the referendum how can you still say it did not tip the scale...

Hell, the Leavers even used the images of that european crisis to advertise the Brexit!!!

You don't have to be a racist to want to avoid a repetition of that at all costs....yes, of course all arguments add up.....Cameron...Johnson....the NHS bus....Farage...but remember the decision was still very close, there is a case to be made that without the chaotic images of 2015 the Brexiteers would have lost.

It was this experience which shocked Europe and not at least Germany...here the till then fairly unknown Professors party called AfD, till then mainly concerned with the Euro crisis, got big overnight and changed the political landscape forever....and the Brits got their Brexit.

Who else but Merkel is to blame for that....it was her decision only!

You really think so?

I guess an EU leader who guards Europe's borders would gain alot of popularity....don't mix up the elites in Brussels and the media headlines with the common European.

He is in his majority a big fan of "stopping the flood" of unwanted, illegal immigrants flowing through our unguarded, wide open borders. In no country in the EU there is a majority who approves of "letting them all in".

Merkel seen as active and powerful Guardian would not helped the Brexiters....how could it!

False dichotomy there were lots of things she could have done but she caved and made fortunes for the human traffickers (including now Lukashenka and various other Belarusian criminals) by showing that Germany will, ultimately accept anyone who shows up in the EU who can make it across Germany's open borders.

She took a stand to protect the human trafficking market which is as robust as ever.

She could have said that no applications will be taken from those crossing EU (or German) borders illegally and any that enter the EU (or Germany) illegally will be deported immediately. Harsh in the short term but far better in the long term.

Your logic is perfect. The problem is that the invading hordes are even better - they destroy their IDs and the host country is stuck with them as undeportable parasites forever. Can't deport them, can't starve them, can't throw them in jail, and can't shoot them - or you will have some UN civil rights freaks calling you names and dragging you to some international court.

The only thing that works is NEVER let them set foot on your soil. Google: Israel wall to see how it's done well and the US border to see how it's done poorly. Or kill a few as they cross to show you mean it. There is no other way.

That's the theory. Europe's geography makes both methods impractical. So what remains is Hitler-light and violence - aka "civil disobedience" when the leftist like it.

If they don't identify themselves and submit to fingerprinting and dna testing then their requests are immediately denied and are held in detention until they are more forthcoming.

Of course no European country has the cojones to actually do something like that. IIRC interpreters in 2015 were expressly not allowed to give information of the kind: He says he's from Syria but he has a strong Iraqi accent... (anyone competent enough to be an Arabic interpreter can easily distinguish Syrian and Iraqi Arabic).

there is a way to not encourage people from flocking to Europe - not giving them money while they arrive here (unless they can prove they are genuine refugees according to the international law)

It would work if you held them in prison. Once out, they will steal and rob to eat.
The problem: A prison in the EU is better than what they left behind. Plus, they know you can't hold them indefinitely.
Bottom line: real wall or human wall aka snipers.

Serbian question from Baltic to Balkan is the matter of knowing facts of ancient primordial Europe. Answer to Serbian question says Slavs are natives of Europe. Europe is Slavia.

Under pressure of American Serb, John Bosnic whose father is from Serbia and mother from Lusatia, Serbian government now have section to care for Lusatian Serbs. If there is a 100% Serb, John Bosnic is the one.

> facebook.com/1532420816979508/posts/2102240053330912/




Lusatian problem is these days via Serbia presented to Russia. And Serbia conditioning Russia`s stance on Germany, among other things, with this problem.

How did `western Europe` became non-Europe and moved the path it walk now ? Spot >





> facebook.com/1532420816979508/posts/2102240053330912/

Well.... Crow's back, so we can forget about discussing anything but Serbia for a while....

Welcome back Crow !


Does that mean Slavs are native to America too since the Europeans settled and took over America ?

Crow'll tell ya that even the Native Americans were originally Slavs, since their ancestors came from across the Bering Strait which connects to Asia.... lol

If Yandacek and other prominent linguists are correct, that Proto Slavic language originate back even 40.000 years in past than the Clovis culture (prehistoric Paleoamerican culture) was nothing else and could only originate from Proto Slavs (in that time proto-Serbs how seams to be) that moved from Europe to America via frozen ocean back in deep past.

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture


Its possible. If Clovis people came from Europe only available European culture, how things stand, were proto Slavs. Non other Whites existed back then. All were later formed out from Slavs in all kind of circumstances.

In Poland we have people like you. They talk about Wielka Lechia. Thanks to the Internat everbody learned that you are an idiot. Before the internet only your family knew about it.


Argue with your German geschaft.

Those profits are the company's and not Poland's, correct? The company determines how to allocate those profits, correct?

Do those German companies hire Polish workers, pay tax to Poland (payroll, income, etc), pay rent or build in Poland?

I've heard this complaint of foreign companies transferring money back to country of origin before and I don't quite understand it. Whose profits are these? Do you think those who invested capital in the company have a right to the profits? The inference is profits should remain in Poland, why?