European News and Poland Thread 2

The best indicator of who is truly evil is the total body count. Just compare the casualties from the military operations initiated by the US and its "allies", China, and the USSR/Russia since 1946, and your eyes will fall out. It's not even close...

@Novichok, in a way you're right - China and USSR/Russia have been much more effective in killing their own people lol Does that make them better than the West though? I'd say that's more evil and f*cked up...:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_China

China (Korea) Russia (Afghanistan) and the USA (Iraq, Vietnam) all have blood on their hands. What distinguishes the USA from the fomer is that sometimes, they happened to be on the good side and defended others against opression and murder (Korea and Kosovo).

Say what you want about the USA in the 20th century, they did however have some genuily positive influence on the world, in contrast to the SU and China.

If you're a US citizen then why aren't you agitating to bring millions of Afghans and Pakistanis etc to the US?

Perhaps you and yours would feel more at home in that shining beacon of freedom known as Belarus.

True.

China and the USSR never claimed that they were killing their people for their own good. The West does it routinely. It's "nation-building".
Plus, I was specific and limited my question to military operations. If we look inside, 50 million American abortions make Dr. Mengele an angel of mercy.


Personally, the US should have minded its own fu*cking business and not meddle anywhere. Let them all die if they so choose.


My personal feelings are irrelevant. My advice though is this: if bombing others becomes irresistible and so incredibly good for the military swamp, at least don't bring your souvenirs in form of 100,000 Koreans, 300,000 Vietnamese, and thousands of Afghanis home.


Belarus not being a shining beacon of freedom does not change anything. In fact, if they are dictatorial, they are more capable to be selfish and reasonable than the Germans or the Swedes who, like the first-class morons, invited the foreign scum to STAY WITH THEM! It doesn't get any more stupid than that.

Darling, you know nothing about abortion laws in the Soviet Union or China. It was used as a contraceptive by women there.

That is why this bs


is a conscious lie or misinformation due to your historical ignorance.

From today's Die Welt...



... " (...) Gewalt sowie Pushbacks gegen Geflüchtete und Migranten sind verboten, beides ist nicht vereinbar mit unseren fundamentalen Verpflichtungen zum Schutz der Menschenrechte."

Wow! Really? How about our "fundamentalen Verpflichtungen" to defend our borders and not endanger the safety and well being of our citizens? :-/

How ignorant! They claimed they were acting for the people's own good as they were killing them (and largely denying it at the time).

The Great Leap Forward instigated the worst famine in human history and the political party that engineered it is _still_ in power today.

Then there was the Soviet engineered holodomor (which killed millions of Ukrainians). The standard Russian party line (so you can use this for future reference) is that the government killed lots of Russians too and you don't hear them complaining!

US foreign and military policy is awful. But that has no connection with what the Soviet filth Lukashenka is doing (despite all the attempts at distraction). He's not bringing the desperately poor, he's charging them significant amounts of money and brutalizing them once they arrive to convince them to cross the border.

If you worship raw, brute power you might think 'good for him!' but then reduces you to his level of amoral barbarity.

And where do the migrants in Belarus come from? Did Lukashenko direct the wars in the Middle East or was it the work of some villains?

Someone is behind it.
How do ten of thousands of Haitians get from Haiti to Mexico across 2000 miles of water so they can end up on the United States door step ?

They arrive with clean cloths and cell phones.
Someone is supporting this b.s. to help them get here
George Soros and the Marxist are the only ones I know that want to collapse the Western economies.

If Lukashenka were really interested in helping the people of the middle east there are lots of things he could do... and he's not doing any of them.

Stop lying that he has any motivation beyond hurting the people of Poland and Germany because any challenge to his absolute power over his miserable little kingdom infuriates him. And you're supporting an attack against the civilian population of Poland - enemy detected.

This is an attack against the civilian population of Poland and Germany and nothing else. Stop lying (I realize that's hard, but.... try).

Merkel called Putin...


dw.com/en/merkel-pressures-putin-to-act-on-poland-belarus-standoff/a-59776674


Na ja....the only thing with some weight would be really to end NordStream....but I really doubt that Merkel dares....

I still stand by that statement. It can't be any clearer. Plus that the US was at war 90% of its existence.


Let me think...Hmm...Oh, yeah, it was the coalition of the stupid Western men with a messiah complex. That's who...


And what exactly is Putin supposed to do that Germany and Poland can't?

Merkel probably thinks he has power over L....dunno....that he could order him to bring them all back to Kabul or Beirut or whatever....*shrugs*

PS: I have an interesting souvenir from Beirut....more exactly from the landing strip at the Beirut airport. A pilot found an ammunition shell (machine gun?) and brought it back as a gift for my mom, who worked at the Berlin Schönefeld airport back in the GDR-days...it was the high time of the lebanese civil war in the 80s.....I still have it!

In other words, do for me what I don't have the balls to do myself.
Why do I despise Western men...Hmm...

Yeah....it's always embarrassing when the true powerstructures are brought to light like that....truly not a moment of glory for the EU....

But I agree with you, it are such moments which can change anything....alot of Europeans are p*issed off right now, they are as unhappy about this situation as you and me....so...who knows how the EU will change because of these events right now!

I understand being paralyzed by fear of getting shot and killed. I understand the fear of tarantulas and heights. What I don't understand is being paralyzed by the fear of being told that you are not a nice person. That's where the white man is now.

To eliminate this possibility, he will bend, accommodate, pay, and expose his wife and daughters to rapists and when he catches the perp, he looks for every possible reason to treat the pos leniently. Deportation? That would be cruel and demands a deeper thought...

As always, unless specific, my yous are editorial.

I disagree! In Europe it's only Germany....and that only because of our Nazi history!

The powers who want to be "good" no matter the price are still enormously strong here because of that history.....

We really need to rely on the rest of Europe...like Poland is now safe guarding also our borders....and who knows what France will do after the elections....in Europe Germany is quite isolated concerning the intake of immigrants (plus tiny Luxembourg)....

The disaster of Merkel's "quota" was a start....

The UK had no Nazis. What's their excuse? The US had no Nazis, either, and its stupidity outshines Merkel's by the factor of ten.

Did you notice how I vigorously defend Germany and how fair I am?

Keep to the topic please

I'm shocked and awed...

Now we come to the heart of the matter....slowly...


bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/dreiste-kreml-forderung-eu-milliarden-an-lukaschenko-sollen-fluechtlinge-stoppen-78203890.bild.html

(google translate)

...Lavrov said verbatim in Moscow: "When refugees came from Turkey, the EU provided funds to keep them on the territory of the Turkish Republic. Why is it impossible to help the Belarusians too? "

Thank you Merkel....what you did with the border opening in 2015 and with that damned "Turkey deal" in 2016 won't leave us alone....Thank you for nothing!

I wouldn't be to surprised if Merkel will pay again billions...as long as she is still in government...after all the same people who advised her back then have still her ear (Knaus etc.)....what an embarrassment!

Translation from Russian into English:

Lavrov: You want gas from us, German vvh0re? Start sending billions more money to us!!!!!!

Merkel: ... okay!

I guess Tacitus will remind us what a stroke of political genius it was to start buying off third world thugs....

Really, Lucuntshenka wants money?

How about no? How about further sanctions, closed border and a huge middle finger in the air?

Let's see what happens when he can't sell his ****** fertilisers and when the Chinese become pissed off because their rail transports are stuck in Belarus. Let's see what happens when Russia, threatened to lose their gas contracts, calculates the cost of the entire comedy. Let's see what happens then :)

The moustached kolchoz manager has already lost. :)

At this point one possibility is that Putin is the driver. He wants to provoke Poland to the point when gunfire is exchanged (or will simply invent a situation if it doesn't happen organically) and then Belarus will "ask" for Russian military bases on their soil.

Putin's plan is to try to rebuild the USSR (it's what his low information base wants). Absorbing Belarus and Ukraine into the Russian Federation is an integral part of that. (Followed by Northern Kazakhstan and then the rest of that country probably). What the people in those countries want is of no concern to him or his supporters.

Belarus and Russia have already signed the closer union deal recently, so Russian bases in Belarus would be created soon anyway. They didn't need this "refugee crisis" for that.

As for the rebuiding USSR plan, I wouldn't hold my breath. Russia, as opposed to what some Putin's anus divers on this board claim, isn't nearly powerful enough to achieve anything of the sort.

This is clear; his people have certainly gamed all outcomes. The idea of Lukashenka messing round with his western border on his own is bizarre. The current border issue cannot be considered separately from Putain's past actions in Ukraine nor the current troop build up in Novorossiya.

They're waiting for someone on the Polish side to go too far and are busy trying to provoke them to do so. And now Poland has deployed WOT, basically football fans who've signed up to a paramilitary force. What could possibly go wrong?

Please Poland, ask NATO to help out.....that would take some pressure from the polish border guards and even if something happens to threaten and blame NATO should be more difficult!

Doubtless NATO are burning the midnight oil analysing this situation and all possible ramifications. Above all, they will not want to escalate the situation. Sometimes less is more.

True, but Vova is losing support with his base who get riled up and enthusiastic when he's engaged in foreign military aggression... so he needs to create the idea that the CCCP is returning slowly but surely. The fact that most Russians (as opposed to Soviet citizens) didn't want any more than small cosmetic changes in the Soviet Union and certainly didn't want it to end is not known to most westerners for a variety of reasons but returning to Soviet ways is one of the major drivers of Russian policy under Putin.