European News and Poland Thread 2

We had that and there were both pluses and minuses.


Ours is now 66 for all however they've backed down on a proposal to make it 68 from 2044.

One issue is that there's no legal distinction between manual and sedentary jobs.

In France, the move seems to have mobilised 3 groups: the unions, people concerned about the way the law was pushed through and the Gilet Jaunes who protest against everything. Add the anarchists into that mix and it's really quite dangerous now,

Usually it's a lacking majority....not enough people voting for your wishlist. Just having this wishlist for yourself isn't enough!

Do you vote? Are you supporting a party?

But women live longer then men so it should be the other way around shouldn't it ?

Definitely....but the GDR was very old-fashioned, with women the "weaker" gender....the man the provider, you know...

And I guess the changing age-pyramide, aka less babies - more old geezers, wasn't such an acknowledged problem back then either!

In Poland not necessarily since in commie times an older woman was an asset at home (whereas older men were mostly burdens).

An older woman could really help her adult child's family with cooking, childcare, shopping etc while older men just sat around waiting to be served.... so keep the useless men at work longer makes sense.

More than that- they often retired earlier preciasely to help her kids go back to work. In that respect in the price of one society could get 2,3 or even 4 workers.

Thanks maf as that is a perfect explanation.


Those days were before pension checks, social security checks, and when welfare came into existence for the younger broads.
No look who is sitting around waiting to be served.
Today grandpa's enjoy their grandchildren, plays taxi, babysit, enjoy cooking, not to mention sharing their monthly pensions, social security checks and savings accounts.
Women didn't have all those bennys in the old days which included free food and healthcare.
Just look at the stats back then until now.
Today there are more single women then married because of the welfare programs.
WTF do the lazy fat gold diggers need a man for anymore when the State has become the third spouse to support them.
(Need more money just pop out another spawn)


Yeah well now look who the burdens are. (the useless puppy makers that we all pay for)

A lot still do in Poland.


Not in Europe. We've had old age pensions in a basic form in England since 1592. A fuller pension since 1909 in the UK as a whole. Germany introduced a limited version about 10 years earlier.


from 1948.

@joun
Really !
Are you saying that the women in Poland had 100% FREE health care and FREE food for themselves and all their children since 1948 ?
How about 100% free gas to heat their homes and and 100% free electricity bill and 100% free attorneys and 100% free rent, joun ?
I doubt they still don't have that kind of welfare in Europe joun.
Correct me if I am wrong.

In Britain since 1948, James .Do read things more carefully. Both men and women. It's called the National Health Service. Poland has a similar system. There are some dental costs in the UK, though not if you're under 18, on a low income, pregnant or had a baby in the previous year or suffering from certain medical conditions. Anything else of of course free at the point of use.


Who gets free food? There is of course child benefit, a fixed sum of money per child; Poland has that now too. There's Universal Credit in the UK for those on low or no incomes, and of course someone in a low-paid job with kids wouldn't pay tax.


It's called Legal Aid and Housing Benefit. Only people on low incomes get those nowadays.

Are you telling me that there are 'developed' countries where people have to pay money to doctors? I thought that was only in the third world. You'll be trying to pretend that there are 'developed' countries without statutory maternity and paternity leave next.

We were actually discussing Micron's current pensions grab and the heavy rioting that has been caused by it, something that has united both the political left, rightards, and the largely non-committed.

Given French demographics either taxes need to be raised (a lot), pensions need to be reduced (a lot), or retirement age needs to be raised (a bit).

What are your policy recommendations for France?

The pensions shortfall is $10 billion,


Vote on it, rather than push it through without, and raise NI contributions which are on the low side.

What are yours?

MEN TOO !
Able bodied men that refuse to work get to suck off the National Health Service system ?
No wonder Europe needs the United States of America (NATO) to militarily protect their countries.
Europe can't afford to put a military together to protect them from say Russia because they are paying to support all the dead beats in Europe.

How Liberal can your Socialism get to depend on others to pay for your military protection.
Do you have no shame at all ?

A weird thing to say.

It's for everyone, rich, poor and in the middle.

As are state pensions. We all pay into them, and all benefit from them.

They can afford it but don't spend on their military for two reasons:
1. They know Russia is not a threat.
2. If it is, the US is stupid enough to protect them so why bother?

Why do I think that is another of your big lies when the unemployment rate in the E.U. was pushing 12% two months ago ?
How are people going to pay in when they are not working ?
How creative can you get, joun ?


Do you think Russia would be a threat if NATO pulled out of Europe ?
I think so too.

People pay in when they are working.

Did you think they don't?

Who covers them when they are not working and paying in ?
Who pays for those who have never paid in ?

Not them. Us. We all pay when we work to cover when we don't. And we don't have to pay for doctors, hospitals etc even if we earn a million a year.

All developed countries do this in one form or another.


The profoundly disabled? Carers? The dysfunctional? We all do. Do you have a problem with that?

There is no logical reason for Russia to invade anyone. They invaded U when all their attempts to secure U's neutrality and self-determination for Ukrainian Russians failed.

They didn't touch the Baltics and actually let them go before they joined NATO.
Ukraine is a different matter for a variety of reasons, including the Russian naval base in Sevastopol.
The US will never give up Gitmo for the same reason.

Yes them, the able bodied career welfare leeches, them.


If you don't have to pay for them then who pays for the doctors, hospitals, ect. ?

Who are they? Do you know any? I don't.

What happens to them in your country?


Looks like Jim's deliberately misunderstood.

We fund hea;thcare together out of our NI of course. Which is why terms like 'hospital bill' are meaningless to people in developed countries with universal healthcare.

"Them" includes the hordes that land on British shores every day. I wonder when that island will tilt and sink...

Same as your country, they are allowed to suck out of the public trough.
If we didn't allow them to, the bleeding heart Liberals would have another meltdown
Plus WE have over twenty million illegals sucking out of our public trough that have never paid in.
That doesn't leave much for us White folks who foot the bill for them.


Oh, so you do pay for healthcare then.
Now I understand. sigh....

We don't have that many, fortunately.


No. Society funds it.

Like old-age pensions, sickness benefit, etc.


Nobody cares about you. This is bout the riots in France.

Fortunately the NHS works nicely without your input.

Now, the issue is why France is on fire.

SO tell us then joun, who is society made up of ?


Well unfortunately your NHS is actually failing joun, falling apart.
Here is my source to confirm another of your lies.

theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/08/sick-man-of-europe-why-the-crisis-ridden-nhs-is-falling-apart

Nice of you to quote a Socialist source criticising the Tories for underfunding; you've proven my point nicely. Fortunately the Tories will be out of office at the next election.

The NHS still works, and very few people in the country have ever paid a 'hospital bill' or 'doctors bill'..

Now what are your views on the current French riots?

Now joun, you are talking out of sides of your mouth.
First you say that:


Then you say:


Then you say:


Then I prove that is yet another of your lies by providing a reputable source that contradicts you.
It's no wonder you want to change the subject, Slippery.
We are currently having a huge snow storm, I am snowed in and can't get out so I made a pot of venison chili which automatically calls for a nap.

You go post about your fire that nobody cares about.