European News and Poland Thread 3

Hate`s Labours Lost. Macron won`t be gone. He is uniting with the Left to fight Le Pen.


Cons implemented Brexit which was to solve all major problems but didn`t, not even one.

Correct. Brexit can never fail it can only be betrayed.

You don't know or understand France.Macron will still be president but with no power.The French hate him, he will be gone soon.


Again, you don't know enough about the UK to make a comment like that,Brexit has solved LOADS of problems caused by the EU but the Tory government has been too slow and weak in taking advantage of Brexit which is one reason why Labour will get a huge victory tomorrow.

Which problems has Brexit solved

Besides various trade and defence deals we have made we also have complete control of our own policies and immigration.
Unfortunately the Tories did not take full advantage of our new freedoms and will pay a very heavy price for that tomorrow.

The Tories conned you big time, Miloslaw.


How many additional Indians do you have to let into the country before Modi signs the trade deal? What about the rest of the Commonwealth citizens? Need a few million more Pakistani, Nigerians and Bangladeshi? NHS runs very low on qualified staff, I heard.


You had complete control over your immigration before you left the EU. Britain was never part of the Schengen area, remember? Have you guys imposed full post-Brexit import controls on goods from the European Union yet? No? Why?

He may well resign if the election goes badly for his alliance.


Why not?


It always does, however scrapping private employment agencies and returning everything in house will make a huge difference.


I do hope so. It will be a joy to watch us humiliate them.


Excellent. Us not them for a change. I'm beginning to regret turning down the invitation to stand in the election this time.

Amassing!!! Coz all British media whine that immigration is on the rise after Brexit...... Who is lying then - they or you??? :)::)

No you don't. Any random chancer from the middle east or the balkans who can sail close to the UK on a rickety boat will be admitted and never leave.

How is that controlling immigration?

They don't.

Only the right-wing elements of the media bang on about it.

Clearly you know nothing about UK affairs if all you can do is copy/paste from The Telegraph:

telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/03/uk-to-enter-nightmare-much-darker-than-anyone-realises/


So have I and I cannot imagine in any way how a new Labour government can do any worse than the Conservatives have for the last 14 years. This country is completely broken thanks to them.


That's got to be some kind of joke. Net immigration has risen and the numbers of people arriving in small boats are going up every year. No way is immigration under control.

In addition, the UK economy has flatlined......

Quite. And an article by the daft Alistair Heath too.


For at least 15 years too. The change won't be as radical or as sudden as Atlee, however over time, the changes will be big.

Let's hope so. Off to cast my vote shortly. Here's to the new Labour government! 🥂

Excellent! I'm voting by proxy due to being away, however today is the first day of the rest of our lives.

People will soon find out that they wasted their vote. Labour will only last 5 years, Reform will be much stronger by then.


Well done. Voting for a labour leader that can't define "woman", and one who is going to make changing gender much easier. Now you can expect men in your single sex spaces, cheer on men completing in women sports, and welcome thousands more migrants. I will never understand women who allow themselves to be gaslight by all this nonsense. Roll on 2029, if you think the Tories were bad, just wait to see Labour perform over the next 5 years.

Like the Social Democrats in Denmark, Labour will steal Reforms immigration and social cohesion/patriotic policies to stay in power next elections.

Closer to 20...

Doubt it. Garage is a master at gaining momentum but going nowhere.

Is there a real party there? Both the main parties are grimly determined to ignore the wishes of the majority of citizens and import as many migrants with values hostile to the UK as possible....

Farage is by nature a gadfly but what you need for a real movement are workhorses (see Chris Rufo in the US... an absolute machine in derailing unpopular woke policies.

Why can't the UK produce someone like that?

No. It's basically PR.


Neither are "determined" to "import" anyone. And there are threads for those fixated on migration.

This election is about waking up to how society has been robbed by 'investors' and its assets sold to outsiders.

So you are now an expert on British politics after living here for 5 minutes? Farage will have a large following by 2029.


Hopefully the voting system in this country will be reformed by then, this first past the post system is **** poor.

Hence why Labor will enbark on an unpreceded private public partnership with BlackRock to build, own and profit from massive infrastructure projects.

Labour? With different contractors and more public ownership. We don't even have to nationalise without compensation; so many infrastructure contracts expire over the next 2 years and many more will be cancelled due to not meeting minimum service levels.

The main issues are housing, cost of living and wages.


It keeps obscure parties away from the balance of power. That wouldn't make a difference this time though; we will have a supermajority.

No, just an observer making prediction. Same as you.

The same and also different, since someone who's settled somewhere from outside has a clear perspective and less baggage. Same as me with PL.

And I agree with you on Farage; smoke and mirrors and a largely over-65 support base.

Then why do they keep being let in instead of shipped back to France?

Why should a country be forced to let in those who will never be net contributors?

The ECHR is not fit for purpose but European politicians are so useless that they prefer to kick the can down the road rather than deal with a real and pressing problem.

Whatever. I think reform will have a huge following and it will be a new British party that won't go away because it addresses real issues or many real people. You are 20 years out of touch with your Labourt delusions.
It might not be Farage but sooner than later some new leadership will emerge and the reform party will take over. A
It makes an end for the Tories, they won't gather much support for the next 20 years.
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They Should be deported from their countries to some more pleasant shores like Rwanda or Nigeria, for example. They can practice their inclusivity, tolerance, and open-mindedness there and keep being enriched by people they like much better than their countrymen.

Possible. But the timing will be everything. Reform wasn't even really mentioned much until Farage. Turning that into sustainable support and growth won't be easy.

Do you mean mass media? Of course, it wasn't. True Farge gives it a face but Momentum was there in the first place. They might not gain as much in this election due to the British elections system but they will be there waiting for their change.
It might be sooner if the /Labour will do an even worse job than the Tories.

One analysis I saw was that UK voters realize neither of the major parties has any intention of doing anything about migration beyond speeding it up (for what reason?)

So they're probably voting on who they trust to run other institutions more, and tha'ts Labour....

I personally think they'll be disappointed as I don't think Labour wants to spend on infrastructure, education or healthcare anymore than the Tories.

Reform is a slogan and not a party because no one's doing the work there to make it a party that can do anything (that I know of... things might be different on the ground there).