European News and Poland Thread - part 4

We've seen all those daft memes before on dodgy bits of the internet. The6 appeal to people who find reading a chore.

@Jon?

Farage's Reform Party reminds me abit about Germany's AfD...has it chances to rule GB anytime soon? And how would that change the country, wha's your estimation?

@Bratwurst Boy
Farage and his party are going to absolutely destroy the leftist fvcktards and Starmer in the next elections. May 7, 2026. He is going to sweep the illegals and all the leftist bvllshit into the trash bin where it belongs. All the leftards here are shaking as another right wing leader will take power in Europe. The longer the left pushes illegal migration and the LGB agenda the better it is going to be for the right.

There's no general election due anytime soon.

The next one is four years away.


They,'re less likely to win anything in parliament than their supporters want or the tabloids hope. Even if they did, they could change very little due to the system there. The more dramatic promises they've made are legally unachievable. They also appeal to less educated and poorer older voters, not a group known for longevity or quality of life in old age.

So far, they got a majority in a handful of mostly rural local councils and have done spectacularly badly with increasing negative publicity. Some of the weirder stunts like the flags are less popular than they hoped.

There's also something much much bigger just round the corner; a big trial involving one of their main donors, r*SSian money and corruption and their party leader's name will be much mentioned regarding campaign funding. This will get a lot of attention.

Interesting outlooks, from both of you, thanks!

I'm especially interested in the person of Nigel Farage...his former movement achieved already one thing thought of kind of impossible back then, the Brexit...now this next toy of his, Reform UK....he should never be underestimated, I think!

Photogenic, plays the clown.

Extremely wealthy (much of it inherited). His kids are German and don't have much to do with him. He has a lot of backers in finance who know how to make a fast buck out of instability (a lot of fortunes were made betting on brexit) and they pay a lot for online promotion, bots, his face everywhere
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In the last poll of who would make the best prime minister, he didn't do very well.

And his main donor's trial (starts this month) promises to be a good one.

@jon357

But do everyday Brits care that he's inherited wealth and his kids don't care much about him?

I saw a couple polls recently that show Farage's Reform Party with about double the support of Starmer's liberal party. I just looked at statista.com and it shows same type of polling.

It's politics and things change on a dime, but not all polling shows the unfavorable opinion of Farage as you say.

Bored maybe?

But....I dunno....sometimes he appears to me extremely passionate, obsessed, even. More than a mere well paid puppet on strings surely!

Media shtick.


You mean Labour? The Liberal Party a fairly small thing and solidly centrist. Labour (centre left) are in power now, and have had a dip in popular they got most of t( unpopular stuff done in the first year. They've benefitted from the rather old fashioned electoral system which favours the main parties and makes it hard for newcomers.

Their emergence (and their and their chums' PR spend) is a worry, however as mentioned, the next election is four years away and that is a lifetime in politics.

Unlike his partner (who is French). Farage claims she's from a wealthy family but the BBC found that her parents are retired and when her father's company was liquidated it had more liabilities than assets. The flat they live in is worth around 350,000 euros. So what was the source of the £900,000 used to purchase the house Farage lives in when in Clacton? My guess would be Russia.

Maybe, I don't pay much attention to UK politics. Regardless, Farage's party is performing well right now according to polling, so he is touching on something Brits care about, it'd seem.

If "well" meant having 6 seats out of 650, then you'd be right. However they aren't.

@Bratwurst Boy
Reform has a ten point lead in polls by the leftists. Leftists will soon have to relocate to Cuba, China, of North Korea to get their share of socialism. Unfortunately those leftist views will also likely get them killed in any of those places. Woke leftists of the west are a bridge to far for real socialists.

@jon357

Focus, jon, focus. We're not talking about the last election but current sentiment. According to polling I've seen the Reform Party is showing 27%support followed by 20% Labour and 17% for each Liberals and Conservatives.

statista.com/statistics/985764/voting-intention-in-the-uk/?srsltid=AfmBOop93xVQ3gaqTGOITm7yUn3JByGnKBd3noXzXLWGt4qw-F6FMOzw

Focus, Anthony, focus...

Sentiment, specially in snapshot opinion polls changes fast. The next six months or so are not looking great for that party for reasons outlined already.

In a way we are talking about out the next election, in that it is all that can change a government.

Farage got dumped by Musk and Trump, after he said that Tommy Robinson was not all that great of a human being.

At least, that's the last I had read - maybe they've patched their relations since...

Good, got you back to focusing on topic at hand: current sentiment. Yes, of course, political sentiment can change in a dime-I have already said that.

Point is Reform has traction at this moment, so they must be tapping into something Brits care about.

Who is Anthony, BTW? I'm ant, a small creature who, by the grace of God, can carry 50 times my own weight. 😀

It would not.

The UK would be like a chain smoker with lung cancer who stopped smoking. Too late, azzholes...say bye... and start digging...


In 20 years, it will be 28%

In 20 years, the UK will be 50% Muslim and 100% stupid - just like right now...Some mental disorders like wokism have no cures


...China when they start talking shlt that their army needs LGBTs - especially at the top...You know ... that DEI thingy ... wins wars in no time...

Don't be a doilum,


They were on the rise due to rhetoric about immigration however their voter base is older and, as you know, the first past the post system is very effective against newer parties.

Also, people are realising that the channel dinghies issue is in very large part Farage's fault; it is a direct result of brexit which he was involved in. Interestingly, if there was a referendum to rejoin held now, a solid majority would vote for that. Additionally, the current government has denied more asylum applications than any previous one and have only just started removing people in large numbers. Aside from the rather lame one in one out thing, the thousands of visa overstayers are now being removed.

What do you think about Farage? Especially his links to dodgy regimes, dodgy businesspeople and the many scandals within his party?

To me - as a person from the former Soviet Union - it would be very surprising if Britain elected a Farage type.

Our view, is that Britain is somehow impervious to revolutions.

The French have them regularly, and Russians, and even Germans have them every now and then - but Britain's political class is just somehow magically cohesive and their established electoral norms are as firm as bedrock.

That being said - they did do Brexit - and that was surprising too.

Still, what seems more likely (or familiar), is that the Conservatives that are out of power currently, will try to "out-Farage" Farage.

You know, do a Macron - as he does when he tries to take the wind out of Le Pen's sails.

They'll promise all the same anti-immigration stuff Farage is promising, and will play up the nationalist/anti-Islamic notes - ensuring that only the biggest nutters actually vote for Farage.

...the Western style...after irreparable damage is done. Forward thinking is always "evil" in Western "democracies"...

Before these morons allowed the first Muslim couple in - I don't mean gay - how about comparing their birth rate and the one in the UK...

3 to 1? Oh, fvck...Houston, we have a problem...

Novi, you are so mean and negative...They will be like us in no time...


IOW, stubborn azzholes...who never admit being wrong...

A doilum. First time I ever heard that word. Had to look it up. At first I thought you were calling me a doilie. 😀😀


I don't know enough about the guy to form an opinion. All I know about him is that he wants an independent UK and wants to end the immigration tidal wave. Like I said, I don't pay much attention to UK politics-I just read some stuff recently that showed his new party is appealing to a sizeable amount of Brits, which seems to contradict your assessment of his poor performance.

Brits don't speak English.

Maybe this is an indication they have hit some tipping point?


Or any other western country's birthbrate.

Poland and the US included.

The solution: So many...but not immigration...

He's got one already. We've always been independent.


They alll say that since it's a way of riling up the poorly educated. Talk is cheap.


Focus, Anthony, focus.

They have a very small percentage of local councils and only 6 MPs, one elected on a 6 vote majority in a by election held due to the previous MP beating up a constituent in the street and being jailed for it. The only performance that matters is in the general election. We had one 12 months ago and they did far worse than they hoped or anyone feared.

As people were told earlier, the next election is four years away.

@jon357

So, the polling is wrong? Again, not what happened last election, but current sentiment: current polling on Farage and his party is wrong? Brits are happy with what they got right now?

@AntV
So the polling predicts four years in the future?

It's normal for any government to drop and various rivals (including new minor parties like his; there have been three or four so far) to attract early interest. Do you think that reflects what happens at the polling stations several years after?

Clearly that's not what he is arguing.

But it also doesn't mean that shifting sentiments in the present, have no bearing on future elections.

Nor of course does it mean they do.

We've been there before, several times. The reform thing is nothing new and the only system that matters works against such organisations.