Poland - Serbia etc. thread

Forgive yourself. Germany is past and you would be fine soon

B.B. the grandparents of good friends of mine from the former Danzig were born naturally in what is today Poland, yet the Steiner family was then....and is now,

GERMAN to the bone! After the War, as with so many 'Ostvertriebene', they landed in present-day Baden-Wuerttemberg aka "Schwaben", thoroughly German in both native tongue, background, and culture (Aryan, according to my friend's grandmother's Ahnentafel (proof of Aryan pedigree chart), yet typically treated as almost second-class citizens by the then "West"German locals. The grandmother had been a Hitler supporter from the outset, which strikes me to this day as the height of cruel irony (ein lauter Treppenwitz).

My Grandmom made it only to Berlin...

West Germans treat East Germans as a different species perhaps? South Germans treat North Germans as a diferent species, too? Look, there are several Germanies on the territory of today's Germany. I once read somewhere that the Bavarians despised the Prussians in the course of the 19th century. But Adolf Hitler re-united them again. Have you perhaps read the book "Er is wieder da" about Adolf Hitler suddenly resurging in Berlin on a sunny day of 2011?

The first thing Hitler noticed in his struggle was that the Jewish press in what was then Germany PERSISTENTLY spread hatred and division between Germans from the north and Germans from the south. Why did they do that? So that the Germans themselves would be entertained by internal hatred and strife, so that the Jews (unnoticed from the public) would be able to easily rule. In 1933, at the time of Hitler's rise to power, more than 2/3 of German industry and capital was in the HANDS of the Jews. More than half of influential political positions and positions in economy/finance - it was in Jewish hands! That is horrific, if we know that the Jews were one minority - a small group in relation to the whole German people.

The same system of subversion and division of peoples - they apply in other countries. The most obvious example is also the former Yugoslavia. They have their PROVOCATEURS on both the Serbian and Croatian sides. I mean the ones - provocateurs in high politics, not street hooligans. Jews (through the Masons, but also directly through their pawns and goyim servants) are constantly exhorting - HATRED and incidents. In this way they skillfully camouflage themselves in - national interests, of the people in which they serve for the "good and world power of the House of Israel" so that this people, usually (except for a small number of watchful guards) hasn't a clue.

You are this Hitler who resurfaced in Berlin in 2011, right?

I was completely neutral towards Serbia before I joined the forun but I must say that after reading few post here made by Serbs I'm definitely not looking forward to meeting any

My theory is that the "Serbs" who post here are actually Macedonians and/or Albanians trying to hurt the public image of Serbs by making them seem like unhinged crazy people....

I used to work with a Serbian chap, a good guy (a big boss in Katowice heavy industry) We both liked beer and music, so would try to spend time together on the odd Friday. One time, he got suitably oiled, and out of the blue, started ranting at length about that great Serbian victory in 1400 or therabouts, and how all muslims needed their arses kicked. Or preferably, put themselves forward for some good old fashioned ethnic cleansing, if they wouldn't simply up anchor and leave.

We (somehow) lost contact after that..........

What a smart guy. No wonder hes a boss.

Your theory is stupid. See, things changed. Now Macedonians and Albanians seek to join to Serbia and to Belgrade, rather then to EU. Albanian president Edi already entered in conflict with Kosovo Albanians, telling them how Kosovo can`t join to Albania and how Kosovo Albanians need to learn to live with Serbs. For Macedonians its about reminding of their Serbian identity and for Albanians, well, what is White in them is from assimilated Serbs.

Idea of Greater Albania is past. Serbia is reality.

That makes way too much sense. It would also explain why they ofte provide us with sources that directly contradict what they claim.

You can not build an image of a whole people depending on ONE (or two) poster.....

I agree. Years and years ago I found myself in a social situation spending time in a mixed company. Without giving out any significant details. Location - somewhere in the USA. People both male and female from Japan, Brazil, New Zealand, a weird stressed/awkward American gall, some odd English dude and a guy from Korea. (Myself being the only Polish person)We all got along splendidly (some more so than others lol) beside that Korean dude who was regraded by all as a major A-hole and a boor to the boot. Fast forward into the future I have met many Koreans since then who were nothing like him.

Just to support you claim with a real life example BB.

I have met few Serbians, been to Serbia and in my opinion they are cool and friendly people without Crow like obsessions'.

*nods* So it is!

True, and to be entirely fair, even the current Serbian government is way more conciliatory than Crow indicates. There are lots of signs that Serbia is willing to acknowledge the independence of Kosovo eventually, as long as they get EU membership down the line.

Should be grnated intdpence in the first palce. creating problems.


hmm ...nothing to look forward to. The EU is a nasty little organization that goes from bad to worse.

Did they break a bunch of mirrors?

The "Serbs" that post here so discredit Serbs and Serbia that your theory is almost believable!! LOL!!


I could not agree more.


For me, the really ugly and evil ones are the supposed Serbs that post on PF.
As I have said before, you would be more welcomed on Neo Nazi or nationalistic Serb forums than on PF.
Why don't you join your brethren and leave us in peace?

....I think posting to like-minded get's boring after awhile...they all agree with you...you are preaching to the choir!

No challenge! :)

;)

Perhaps the young Queenie was measuring the corn?

It's a far off prospect, but one potential deal could be along the lines of the German Basic Treaty in 1972. That would open the door for Kosovo while allowing Serbia to maintain their position that Kosovo and Metohija is an autonomous province of the Republic of Serbia pending a final settlement. Something along the lines of the old Article 23 in the German Basic Law, saying that "This constitution shall apply in the territory under the control of the Republic of Serbia" would be enough, and the mere claim to sovereignty over Kosovo and Metohija doesn't stop them from recognising the facts on the ground.

Still, I'm not sure the EU should be so obsessive over this issue in relation to Serbia. They didn't really have much of an issue with the Republic of Cyprus joining the EU, and even to this day, there are significant restrictions on the transport of goods over the Cypriot border.

All things considered, Serbia is far more important than Kosovo in terms of future EU accession.

The EU just shot Macedonia down, and these guys even changed the name of their country to get EU-membership....I don't see Serbia or Kosovo or anyone else (not super rich and super cool) becoming a new member...

Cyprus is in fact often cited as a reason why the EU needs to be tough on the Kosovo issue. It was a mistake to let a country with unresolved territorial issues into the EU. What is required of Serbia is to sign a treaty like the one Poland and Germany signed 1991, which settles the issue once and for all. We want the Balkans to be pacified permanently after all.


It was not the EU who shot them down though, it was only France. Something Macron has been rightfully criticized for.

The membership is still one of the few decisions which need unanimity...I don't see why that should be different by that failed state Kosovo...or Turkey...

Really, who in their right minds wants these in the EU!

If it helps preserving the peace in the Balkans, we should offer them the prospect of membership. As long as we make sure that they actually fullfil the criterias when they join, there should not be too many problems. I have a lot of hopes for Kosovo. The young elite that has been educated in the West is now slowly taking power from the corrupt old guard. Their new president could be a real game changer. All we need to have is some patience. I view the EU membership more as a carrot for Serbia in any case, since their admission seems more realistic in any case, and they are the ones who need to make the concessions by acknowledging Kosovo.

There is no need to bring up Turkey imho. Their membership hopes are gone and that won't change.

Many of them are already here...can you imagine the run when they become member? There will soon nobody be left back home...besides the Mafia and the poorest Roma...

Sometimes I can't help thinking new members mean mostly only lotsa new cheap labour and new low-wage-countries for the industries of the core EU!

Acknowledging Kosovo as an independent state should be extremely difficult for Serbia. Kosovo was the craddle of their civilization. One could compare it to a somewhat imaginary situation in which Poland would have been advised to acknowledge the independence of a German-speaking state in Greater Poland including Gniezno (Gnesen) and Poznań (Posen) which places have been the craddle of the Polish civilization. Those lands had been taken over from Poland by Prussia in 1793 and one could have imagined a hypothetical situation where settlers from Germany and the policy of Prussia or Germany over years had led to the result of the province being germanized in, say, 90% (as is the case with the non-Serbain population in Kosovo). Despite such taking-over of the population I can hardly imagine the majority of Polish people willing to trade the independence for such a province for the benefit of being admitted to the EU.

This is why I am able to understand very well the reluctance of Serbia for acknowledging Kosovo. I may be wrong, however, since I am not sure of the present position of the Serbian government and their readiness for receiving such a "carrot" (as you call it) as an incentive for relinquishing the historical attachment of their people to the Kosovo province.

A better comparison would be Danzig IMHO....that has been fully german for over a Millennia...now that area is fully polonized.

Serbia is in a similiar situation as Germany...lost a war and there are barely any natives left. So...decide for a peaceful future and give up all claims or keep harking back on old history and stay hostile, destroy any common future you might have together...