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Miloslaw
17 Nov 2019  #841

Really, who in their right minds wants these in the EU

One of many reasons why Britain voted to leave this horrible false union.

@Ziemowit

Another excellent post and yet another reason why Britain needs to leave this increasingly complicated and divisive union.

Bratwurst Boy
17 Nov 2019  #842

One of many reasons why Britain voted to leave this horrible false union.

A veto would had been so much easier than the whole Brexit bruhaha...and with the same effect! :)

Miloslaw
17 Nov 2019  #843

@Bratwurst Boy

Sorry mate, don't get your point.

Ironside
17 Nov 2019  #844

a Millennia

What do you mean? Do you mean centuries or do yo mean thousand of years? So no it wasn't been fully German for thousand of years not even close. Even centuries are stretchy. Yes, for same time' leading culture of the city elite was German but is was Polish Kingdom Germans not a German modern nation German. If you get the difference.

here few facts for you:
The Teutonic Knights,13 November 1308, took over Gdansk - asked the local population to leave - the event known as the Gdańsk slaughter.
Plus as a part of the Polish Kingdom the city was multiethnic featuring even a Scottish district.
By the way you have a very simplistic nationalistic attitude much more sharp and divisive than Polish nationalist. I guess I'm right asserting that German or English nationalism differs from the Polish one.

Acknowledging Kosovo as an independent state

That was a nasty trick played on Serbians. Funny Russia didn't offer much help. I guess Serbian overreached themselves and miscalculated.
US bombing the place caused displacement of the population in Kosovo, many Albanians moved to Kosovo and many Serbians moved out. Still it would be better to divide that province. Unless US really wanted to plant it base there.

Bratwurst Boy
17 Nov 2019  #845

Sorry mate, don't get your point.

Britain could just have vetoed any new member it not wants, but instead it chooses to leave itself...

What do you mean?

See? It's still a touchy subject...the same with Serbia/Kosovo....so instead of discussing old history again and again and again with no other effect than to keep the enmity high up they should leave it be....admitting they have both claims and that there is a common history and look to the future instead.

Miloslaw
17 Nov 2019  #846

Britain could just have vetoed any new member it not wants, but instead it chooses to leave itself.

Yeah, because it sees the EU as a hopeless lost cause.
Which is what it is.
The EU will die before I do.......

Ironside
17 Nov 2019  #847

See? It's still a touchy subject.

I don't see it that way. Just want to get facts straight - that all. Unless you mean that is a touchy subject on a political level. Well, only if Germans nurse some resentments over it.lol

Bratwurst Boy
17 Nov 2019  #848

Where is the difference to the Serbia/Kosovo problem?

It now poses no problem for Poland's EU membership anymore because Germans have been reasonable....or otherwise with a strong "Danzig is german" movement Poland would be elsewhere but not in the EU. Maybe not even in the NATO...

Crow
17 Nov 2019  #849

Its not even Germans that are problem. Even they are manipulated and are subjects of ugly jokes. Even their lives are for the laugh of bloodthirsty Gods that walk on Earth. Greeks and Romans are problem. It started with Greeks and passed on Romans. When we today say West or western Europe we think Vatican. Same families that rule for 2000 years.

How did they manage to scre* us Sarmatians that were/are birthplace of the West and inter-continental wide civilization is behind my capability to comprehend.

Lyzko
17 Nov 2019  #850

The Barbarians, to which you are referring Crow, were not ALL Germans, even if they belonged to the Germanic peoples.

Vesko Vukovic
17 Nov 2019  #851

youtu.be/fV2h4F1OglE

How Serbian Military using decoys managed to deceive NATO

How a six hundred times smaller Army of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (VJ) opposed NATO attacks in the spring of 1999. With the models of cannons and combat vehicles, even the dolls from the window shops were used dressed - in military uniforms. The ratio of NATO forces to the Yugoslav Army was 600 to 1 before the start of the aggression, NATO commanders estimated that Serbia would capitulate in a few days. Everything was on NATO's side, except morale, patriotism and wit. They could not understand how we dared to deny the capitulation in Rambouillet and did not allow NATO to enter Serbia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambouillet_Agreement

"John Pemberton, US Air Force and Air Force Envoy, asked me at the end of the last meeting before the aggression: Do you know that you are at least thirty years behind us, technologically, at least, what is that confidence of yours based on? I told him they would find out when they attacked us. He turned furiously and left without shaking hands" - General Spasoje Smiljanić says. Wesley Clark, the NATO Supreme Commander in Europe in his last interview with (VJ) Ojdanić - Chief of General Staff, emphasized that he would be defeated in two days. - "To the despair of NATO commanders, the VJ did not capitulate after 78 days" - says General Spasoje Smiljanić. - "To date, the West has not forgiven us for its failure." Smiljanić reminds that by the end of the war the total military losses were less than one percent of the population, two thirds of the war technics was ready for further combat.


HOW THE WAR IN NUMBERS LOOKED:

NATO's aggression on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, under the name "Allied Force", began on March 24, 1999, and ended on June 10.

19 member states participated in the war on the side of the Alliance. Including those outside NATO that provided runways and other assistance, Yugoslavia was attacked by 26 countries.

Total material damage in Yugoslavia, or more precisely in Serbia, has been estimated at more than $ 100 billion.

NATO destroyed or damaged 1,026 civilian objects during the aggression. It completely destroyed 7 industrial and commercial buildings, 11 power plants, 38 bridges, 28 radio and TV repeaters, 470 km of roads and 595 km of railway tracks. 19 hospitals, 20 health centers, 18 kindergartens, 69 primary and secondary schools, 29 monasteries and 35 churches were damaged.

The aggressors had a population of 743.8 million and a military budget of $ 3,312 billion, while Yugoslavia had a population of 11.5 million and a military budget of $ 3.85 billion.

NATO began its aggression with 464 aircraft and ended with 1,040. They launched more than 400,000 missiles, and Yugoslavia was also targeted by 1,000 cruise missiles. The total mass of these ordinances is about 22,000 tons.

From March 24 to June 10, Serb forces had 753 dead: 589 soldiers and 172 police officers.

NATO killed about 2,000 and wounded about 10,000 civilians.

youtu.be/jh1Q98RFHhc

Dark giant from the sky / NATO bombing of Serbia 1999

youtu.be/SMUcM90E7fQ

NATO aggression: a military humiliation and a revenge on civilians.

youtu.be/IV2-cSusrZE

Milica Rakić - 3 year Old Killed by NATO Cluster Bomb, 1999, Serbia
THE GREATEST TRAGEDY IN SERBIA: Milica was being prepared by her mother to fall asleep, with bombs they put her to sleep forever!
Milica Rakić the youngest victim killed in NATO bombing has become a symbol of Serbia's suffering in this aggression.

youtu.be/WJ8s46r7UDY

Serbian mother, victim of NATO aggression, speaks about the USA.

youtu.be/ipVO6_K7Un8

Harold Pinter about NATO aggression against Yugoslavia

Harold Pinter, a famous British writer and Nobel laureate, is one of the few intellectuals in the world to publicly raise his voice against NATO's aggression against Yugoslavia, which was exclusively directed against Serbs! He condemned it during the 1999 Yugoslavia bombing campaign, not a couple of years after that, because it's easy to judge and criticize after something has passed. Aggression should be publicly condemned during the time it is happening, and so a big thank you to Harold Pinter.

Ziemowit
17 Nov 2019  #852

with a strong "Danzig is german" movement Poland would be elsewhere but not in the EU.

Maybe not even in the NATO...

Intensely hilarious. Germany playing the "Danzig is German" tune to the rest of her NATO partners.in the 1990s ... "Er ist wieder da" !

Crnogorac3
17 Nov 2019  #853

NATO aggression

majku im jebem masonsko pedofilsku
satanističku

Vesko Vukovic
18 Nov 2019  #854

vitezovi

Serbian MiG-29 Pilots - Knights that defended Serbia

youtu.be/7Y7cujSiqW4

youtu.be/O5veOG-vLjE

Hero Milenko Pavlović (english & russian subs)
In an exceptional act of heroism, just prior to take-off he pulled out from the plane a younger pilot and took his place instead, knowing that he was flying against an enemy vastly superior in technology and in numbers.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milenko_Pavlovi%C4%87

youtu.be/DLkFZFAJNd8

"Nobody said I won't."

piloti

Mural in Belgrade honoring the pilots heroes of Serbia whose heart was even stronger than NATO.

1

warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/serbs-shot-down-invisible-f-117.html
20 Years Ago Serbs Took Out An "Invisible" F-117 Stealth Fighter
In March 1999, a Yugoslavian air defense battery did what, at the time, was thought to be impossible - shoot down a Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk stealth fighter. In the 26 years of its operation from 1983 until its retirement in 2008, no other F-117 was lost to enemy action.

youtu.be/HAuOTICkFVk

Our struggle - Serbian Army
"Who dares, he can, who knows no fear, that one advances."

Tacitus
18 Nov 2019  #855

This is why I am able to understand very well the reluctance of Serbia for acknowledging Kosovo.

The difference is that Serbia has lost Kosovo already. It is gone, and it won't get it back in any realistic scenario. Asking them to accept this is no more easy or difficult than Germany accepting the Oder-Neisse line as final.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Nov 2019  #856

Intensely hilarious.

That's the same with Serbia...it won't work, they have to give Kosovo up!

Crow
18 Nov 2019  #857

Why when from yesterday even Albania reconsidering its recognition of Kosovo independence?

Region and world change and you aren`t aware of events.

majku im jebem masonsko pedofilsku satanističku

Pridružujem se. Naročito onom da su pedofili i satanisti.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Nov 2019  #858

What...they regret their independence and want back to Serbia???

Crow
18 Nov 2019  #859

Well, as the matter of fact, I do believe that ordinary people desire Serbia more by every new day. Many Kosovo Albanians asks for Serbian documents now considering ``Kosovo state`` has been worldwide exposed as Muslim narco mafia safe-heaven. Kosovo documents are worthless all-around the globe.

But this isn`t about Kosovo Albanians but about Albanians from Albania. Since Albania and Northern Macedonia entered in economic union with Serbia, official Albania and Kosovo officials aggravated relations. So, Kosovo Albanian mafia leadership now represent problem to Albania.

Vesko Vukovic
18 Nov 2019  #860

youtu.be/ljEAyryiwsg

A German TV report by journalists Jo Angerer and Mathias Werth entitled "It Began With a Lie" provides proof of THE INCREDIBLE MANIPULATION of the public opinion carried out by NATO.

"You know very well, and stupid Americans know just as well that we control their government, no matter who sits in the White House. You see, I know, and you know, that no US president is in a position to stand up to us, even if we do something unthinkable (just remember attacking a humanitarian ship in the Gaza Strip !?). What can they (Americans) do to us? We control their congress, we control their media, we control 'show business', and we control everything that happens in America. In America you can criticize God, but you cannot criticize Israel ... "(Israeli Representative Tzipora Menache)

Who rules America?
amfir.com/AmFirstInst/NonToolbarTopics/Black_Ops/2011-07-22_Oslo/Ref/Who_Rules_America_2012-04-14_National_Alliance.pdf

youtu.be/p6OkwxXKcpM
dr. Slattery vs. (((CNN))) anti-Serb lies

youtu.be/RM0uvgHKZe8

Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it for Iraq's non existent WMD's

youtu.be/ecUs05V1syc

Alex Jones on backstabbing nature of (((Madeleine Albright))) against the people of Serbia.

youtu.be/R9kl3Wzf8dI

Eric Striker Mike Enoch "Strike & Mike" Discuss Yugoslavia

Ziemowit
18 Nov 2019  #861

That's the same with Serbia..

Not exaxctly. Danzig has never been the craddle of German civilization. Basically, German people came to this town either as guests on Polish soil or stole the town from Poland as in the Midle Ages (first time by the Teutonic Order) or in 1793 (second time by the insatiable Kingdom of Prussia). Then they said the town was German for ages. No, it wasn't German for ages, it was German between 1793 and 1918, thus for the 125 years altogether in the modern period.

A similar issue is with Kosovo. The Albanians came to live on the Serbian territory and now they claim it was Albanian for ages. I wonder how you would react if the Muslims, Turks, North Africans and Middle Easterners populated over the time the heart of the former Kingdom of the Franks replacing the German people there, and suddenly said the Muslims had been there for ages, so Germany should acknowledge the independent Caliphate of Ruhrgebiet there.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Nov 2019  #862

Crap!

Just look at the names and dates:

From 1412 till 1941 it's nearly all Germans...architects, painters, astronomers, writers, physicians, composers, philosophers...

This is a list of people from Gdańsk (Danzig)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Gda%C5%84sk

Now tell me about the masses of famous and important Serbs coming out of Kosovo...

Bratwurst Boy
18 Nov 2019  #863

react if the Muslims.....replacing the German people there, and suddenly said the Muslims had been there for ages...

I have a similiar moment just now....Poles replacing the Germans in Danzig and suddenly saying they have been there for ages (and been there the only ones at that)...

Germany has come to grips with Danzig being populated with Poles and being part of Poland now...Serbia will learn to do the same with Kosovo. Its just so!

Lyzko
18 Nov 2019  #864

If German civilization had a "cradle", which is a doubtful statement in itself, most likely that sacred spot, that holy soil, is no longer even located on what is considered today German territory, this is the comic irony of it all!

If insistent though, the sole, solitary name which comes to mind, located right smack dab in Germany itself, would have to be the Cherusker Monument (Das Hermann-Denkmal) in the Teutoburger Wald, today, in North-Rhine Westphalia, not far from Osnabrueck:-) This commemorated the infamous battle in which the much besung warrior chieftan Hermann der Cherusker defeated the foreign invaders and almost single-handedly proclaimed the German Empire 'teutsche Landen':-)

If true, it's certainly great history.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Nov 2019  #865

Ja genau...*nods*.....that cool Arminius guy & friends! :)

Lyzko
18 Nov 2019  #866

For a while too, B.B., perhaps not your generation, but I know of many much older Germans, now in their seventies at least, likely more up there in age, named Armin (though not Arminus).

Tacitus
18 Nov 2019  #867

almost single-handedly proclaimed the German Empire 'teutsche Landen':-)

Well, he might have tried to, but his fellow chiefs killed him when he became too powerful in their eyes.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Nov 2019  #868

Yeah...but at least it had been his own people...not some roman overlords! :)

Tacitus
18 Nov 2019  #869

I am sure he appreciated that when they stabbed him in the back. ;)

It makes for a good story, but the porta nigra and the ruins of Xanten make me sometimes wish that the Romans had conquered Germania. That way we would have far more beautiful relics and artifiacts in our country.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Nov 2019  #870

But Arminius BEAT you, take that! :):):)

Greatest German EVA!!! :)
(...directly behind Bomber-Müller...that is...)


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