Poland - Serbia etc. thread

Very interesting website - you should translate it into English, so more people could read its contents.


Few? Let's see: Poland - 38.5 million, Belarus (which, in reality, is the old Grand Duchy of Lithuania) 9.5 million, Ukraine - former province of Rzeczpospolita - 37 million (out of which, 3.5 million are in Poland already :) ), Czechia 10.5 million, Slovakia 5.5 million, Bulgaria 7 million, Former Yugoslavia - about 20 million, which gives us Slavic population of about 130 million - you call that few? There aren't that many Slavs in Russia (even if we decide to call them Slavs).

Also, for geopolitical reasons, we would have to include non-Slavic nations of Romania and Hungary in the alliance, which gives us additional population of 32 million, so the overall population of Międzymorze/Међуморје would be around 162 million - more than Russia (with all their Mongols, Uzbeks, Tajiks etc.), and twice as much as Germany (with all their muslims). You call that "few"?


Do you really think it happens to Catholic nations? Really? Are Poles any less Polish, just because they are a Catholic nation? Are Slovaks less Slovak etc.? Did Slovenes or Croats lose their culture when they became Catholic? No! So nothing stops you from being a Serb, when you become a Catholic, and you would be united in one Christian church with all your brothers in Christ, like Our Lord said: "that all of them may be one".

The unification of Slavic people is a matter of our survival - what do you think will happen when Muslims take over France (and they will, it's only a matter of time)? We will have a muslim nuclear power in the middle of Europe.

That's why first things first: Poland must acquire our own atomic weapons, even American political scientists admit that (most notably professor John Mearsheimer). Nobody dears attack a country with nuclear weapons. More and more people in Poland start to realise that...

wgospodarce.pl/opinie/74781-po-f-35-czas-na-polska-bron-jadrowa

nowakonfederacja.pl/atomowa-proba-polskiej-wyobrazni/

...before that happens, Intermarium must have strong conventional forces. Of course, we in Poland, realise that it must be our duty to provide most of that force, and it is already happening (even in Germany they are slowly beginning to realise that, with current rate of development and military purchases, Wojsko Polskie might soon become stronger than the Bundeswehr).

So, don't despair, Crow. Don't be a sad deafeatist who says "we are few", "we are weak", because we are neither few nor weak. Živeli, brate!

I counted Moldavia as well, obviously.

Exactly that happened with ``Croats``. They were Serbs (many still are) and now no other cohesive force of society then to be anti-Serbian oriented, anti-Slavic, pro-German and pro-Germanic.

You know, in Poland was different. So I understand you. We Orthodox Serbs historically have strong historical ties with Polish Catholics. In Poland Catholic Church played role, patriotic role, that here played Orthodox Church. Germans massacred Polish Catholic clergy in WWII. In Croatia, in WWII, with German supervision, Vatican and Catholic Church and clergy (personally took part in genocide) sought to form Croat nation out of Serbian people. Those Orthodox Serbs who didn`t accept to convert, were exposed to genocide or were expelled.

But, even before that, there were (are) Catholic Serbs in Dalmatia. To satisfy Austrian and Italian Catholics, Vatican canceled them and declared them to be Croats. So, Vatican committed crime against both- Catholic Serbs and Orthodox Serbs. This is history of region here.


Not necessarily. But what will guide us? Idea to spread Catholicism? More Catholicism? Man, that is Poland proposed by `Kanopisht`. Its not Poland. Its when Catholicism becoming ethnicity. Like with Muslims.

Why that necessity to be global? To impose Catholicism on others? And at the same time, center to which one serve is outside of his own country. That is why we Serbs reduced power of Eastern Romans and Constantinople here. We wanted to rule ourselves. And now to give ourselves to Rome? No, we are free people. We still have Svetovid in us. Free from Constantinople and free from Rome.

I think Croats would strongly disagree with that.


Well, I don't know your region's history that well, and it is certainly true that the Church made mistakes (and even commited crimes) in the past. However, you can't ignore the fact that Our Lord said in Aramaic "you are Kefa (Peter) and on this kefa (rock) I will build my church". The Bishop of Rome is the rightful successor of Saint Peter, and Catholic Church is the one, true Church, built by Christ - protestant denominations (popular mainly among Germanics, Anglo-Saxons) or Orthodox local churches are schisms/heresies from the main source of Christianity. Why not forget about the difficult past, and come back home?


Common purpose - to finally unite the countries who were in the past invaded, destroyed and occupied by hostile empires, either from East or from the West (sometimes, as in the case of Poland, BOTH). To unite the nations who, in the past, were sometimes refused the right to their very existence. To finally give Intermarium people the sense of pride, strength and unity! It this so little? Is this not worthy of giving up old grudges?


Come to Poland and ask people. If you ask about nationality almost everyone will say "Polish". If you ask about ethnicity, people will say "Góral", "Kaszub", "Ślązak" etc. but nobody will answer "Catholic" - it doesn't make sense :)


Paganism is not an option. Europe was built on Christianity - in Middle Ages, the age of univerisities and cathedrals. Reverting back to paganism is unthinkable.

What Croats? Those who were Serbs 200 years ago, 100 years ago or few years ago? People of what is now Croatia is yet to determine on their ethnicity. Its deeply internally divided society.


I say we forgive to Church, just like that. But, we sue state of Vatican for genocide and get war reparations. First things first.


Yes, we seek for that here. Exchanging opinion on exactly that. We Serbs would suggest common Christian Church with elements of rodoverie and local Church autonomy. I love old Svetovid and all those spirits to be ever-present. Feeling is good. You know you have something your own and don`t even think to deliver that to the world. Why would you, when others have their things.


Praise God for this. You are happy. Look what Vatican done to Serbs. How we struggle with all sorts of different nations within Serbian being.


I will use word `rodoverie` rather then paganism. Our ancestors were not `pagans`/pogani (Eng= bad). And who are to be judges of what is better option? Few old of Vatican? Or their young offspring?

And Europe is built from within pre-Christian Sarmatian (ie Slavic) society. You heard Jacob Grimm? No? He nicely said how one can`t comprehend German tradition if not familiar with Slavic mythology. Same goes for all Europe.

After all, you heard US Trump. He said he is against globalistic ideologies and for local differences, sovereignty and patriotism. I am with Trump rather then with Vatican.

stop talking BS. They already have. WTF is wrong with you?

And what about "White Croatia"? Did it exist and if it did, where was it? The Byzantine Emperor Constantinus Porphyrogennetus (905 - 959) informs us that the White-croatians (Białochorwaci) lived around Kraków and their territory covered parts of today's Poland, Czechia and Slovakia. Could this information be true?

So now look at this. US Senate Reports of the Immigration Commission, Dictionary of Races or Peoples, Washington DC, 1911, p. 40, 43, 105) allegedly say that 100,000 of immigrants who arived in the USA from areas around Kraków declared their nationality as ... White-croatian!

web.archive.org/web/20110928084522/muzeum.tarnow.pl/wydawnictwa/czytelnia/artykuly/kroacja.htm

I wrote "allegedly say" as I am not able to access the documents in question. If anyone can, please check the contents and let us know.

Some say myth invented after Porphyrogennetus. I sincerely agree to it. Invented at a time when entire Slavic history was falsified. Most myths on Slavs are cemented 200-250 years ago.

If Croats originally existed side by side with Serbs how is possible that Poles had contacts only with Serbs. I mean, really. Orthodox and Catholic Serbs but Serbs. The one Catholic Serb (can`t remember name; but he was a Serb- part of Belgrade got name after him) that had contacts with Poles introduce Chethnik guerilla tactics among Orthodox Serbs in Serbia.

Then, take language. Its same language. Shtokavian Slavic dialect. Before formation of Yugoslavia in Britannica it was Serbian language. Today it says Serbo-Croatian. That `Croatian` is political compromise. How we know that for sure? Take Dubrovnik. There was born literal Serbian language and Dubrovnik was always Catholic. Then, when Austro-Hungaria annexed Dubrovnik, they declared all Catholics to be Croat. Before that AH Catholic action set (we have data on this) and on the round table decided to form Croat nation from Serb people.


I tries here to bring you info. What would you with info is up to you.

When you say `they` for Croats it really isn`t clear what you think. Former Catholic Serbs from 800 years ago, like Dubrovnik (some more regions were old Catholic). Or you think Slavonia, Baranja, Dalmatia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, etc, Orthodox Serbs that were converted 200 years ago or 150 years ago or during WWII or during this last Civil War. Beside Dubrovnik most Dalmatia was actually Orthodox and that changed from time to time. Our Imperial Nemanjic dynasty was originally Catholic but turned back to Rome because same reasons why Protestants appeared- Popes dictate.

I only giving info. Spot this >>>

Sons of Herod (genocide in independent state of Croatia WWII)

youtu.be/5r1JNnFjgag

So, nothing is decided yet. Neither former Serbs said their last on their own ethnicity, neither Croatia have its final borders, if even survive as state, considering being artificial and genocidal construct.

Serbs and Croats both settled in the region at about the same time but the Croats had an independent state before the Serbs.
End off...........

@Miloslaw

You also spot this and stop be deluded >

Sons of Herod (genocide in independent state of Croatia WWII)

youtu.be/5r1JNnFjgag

It can't be a myth invented after Porphyrogennetus as it was he who wrote about it himself.

Also, the chronicler Nestor of Kiev wrote (year 1113) that White-croatians helped found the Kievian Rus. Many legends and customs in today's Croatia is similar to that of Ukraine. A lot of typonimes in historical Paganija are the same as in today's Western Ukraine: Neretwa, Mosor, Ostorzac, Gat, Sinij, Kosinij, Kostrena, Knin, Modrus.

Have you ever heard of the two sisters: Buga and Tuga, and the five brothers: Kluk, Loblo, Muhlo, Kosjenic and Horwat?

Having all in mind I also wouldn`t be surprised if Croat represent just another version of Serb name. Not other people but one and same people. Language is same. People always side by side in ``documents``. Just spot pattern how Dubrovnik Serbs were turned into Croats. Its same pattern all the time.

Nah.
Croats and Serbs are actually Poles.............

When we get reparations from Vatican, we share it with Poland.

Interesting stats which say a lot about the city where Game of Thrones is being filmed.

Sometimes is too hard to bear what Rome done to us. And how we were naive, how we were naive.

This can be only resolved on genocide trial and reparation by Vatican. Sure, its also clear that Croatia can`t survive as state. All achieved in genocide is legally non-existent.

I hope that future genetic research will shed some light on the relation between Serbs and Croats and also where both immigrated from and when. A stone board taken out of the Black Sea near Crimea that comes of the 2nd century has the name HORVATOS on it written in Greek. The name is of Iranian origin and may be the name of a tribe who later got slavicized and became known as Slavic HORVATI.

This I know. Horvat was Serbian cavalry Captain, ethnic Serbian, who led one regiment of cavalry and refugees in what is now Novorosya in Ukraine. It was during Ottoman Turkish invasion.

All that I can gather from this thread is that Serbia is willing to neither put her historical grudges in the past nor to embrace the only true Christian faith. It means Serbia will have to be excluded from Intermarium. A pity.

But Poland ask Germany for reparation. We also want reparations. From Vatican. After all, no.1 enemy of Poland is Vatican. You should be satisfied if justice finally befall Rome, for collaboration with Germanics.


We shall see what will be.

But Croats are more Polish than Serbs because they went with the Catholic church.
Serbs went Orthodox and joined their Russian rulers.
Now Poles will never trust traitorous Serbs.....

@Miloslaw

I will pray to Jesus and to Svetovid for you.

You can pray all you want.
Jesus won't help you and neither will that made up pagan idol.
At least Jesus was a real man.....

Real God, you mean. True son of God. Jesus Our Lord love us all and accepts us as we are. But, its abominable to me that somebody Slavic deny Svetovid. That Bishop Absolon at Arkona really did marvelous work.

I am an atheist.
I don't believe in any god.
For crying out loud, there are so many "Gods" and most of them are older than the christian one.
Why are you right and the Hindus wrong?
But Jesus was a man.
And maybe a good one too.
But he was no God.
As for Svetovid..... he never existed anyway.

Milo, what you want me to say? Say and I will say? I ask because you are like an old granny. You always complaint.

What is the difference between Jesus Christ - a man, as you say, turned into God by mere humans and Svetovid that in minds of humans was/is personification of natural forces that they were not able to explain while desired to live with in harmony? What is the difference between them and any other divine being of humanity?

No real difference. Divinities are corrective factor and hope. So, free person have right to choose. I choose Christ and Svetovid. Its in accordance with myself, my civilization, with my own PC in my head. Its my movie. Its personal, private. I don`t even dream that others needs to think just like me.

Now, some people thinks that have right to impose their corrective factors and hopes on others. Even become able to kill others for it. That is just wrong. That is moment when divine in one turning into demonic. Demons are problems, not different Gods or atheists or philosophies or ideologies.

This isn`t middle age where inquisitor or Roman or Constantinople priests, for their own profits, gave themselves rights to murder people if they didn`t understand Christ or religion as somebody else defined for them. Its informative age. Time to move out of the fear and box.

Calm. Meditate. Don`t play with fire, dobri brate. Tell that you don`t have urge to burn. Tell me. Not even virtually.

Question: Do you, Crow of Serbia, retract what you said about there not being any difference between Our Lord Jesus Christ and a pagan deity called "Svetovid"?

Think carefully about your answer.

But of course its not the same. You took it bluntly. Christ is God (son of God). He is understand as God. Svetovid is understand as tradition that is tolerated within Christianity.