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Ziemowit
5 Feb 2020  #1171

This I know. Horvat was Serbian cavalry Captain, ethnic Serbian, . It was during Ottoman Turkish invasion.

The inscription dates back to the 2nd century AD and the Otoman Empire started much much later than that.

But Jesus was a man. And maybe a good one too. But he was no God.

If Jesus existed he was first and foremost son of God and only then he was man.

As for Svetovid..... he never existed anyway.

He existed in the minds of people as god (or one of the gods) and so does Jesus Christ according to artheists.

Torq
5 Feb 2020  #1172

But of course its not the same.

Very well. *smiles*

Svetovid is understand as tradition that is tolerated within Christianity.

Question: Do you, Crow of Serbia, really want to make that statement, about pagan deity Svetovid/Światowid being, in any possible meaning of the word, "tolerated" within Christian tradition?

Think carefully about your answer.

Joker
5 Feb 2020  #1173

Do you, Crow of Serbia, really want to make that statement,

It wouldn't be anymore ridiculous that 99% of his other statements.

Svetovid is understand as tradition that is tolerated within Christianity.

Your pagan 4 headed war God is NOT tolerated in Christianity at all. The voices in your head are wrong, as usual.

As for Svetovid..... he never existed anyway.

Demon of Satan if it does exist......

Svetovid is associated with war and divination and depicted as a four-headed god with two heads looking forward and two back. A statue portraying the god shows him with four heads,

Crow
5 Feb 2020  #1174

I only can give accurate information to you. Its the purpose of this, isn`t it, that we share information we can`t get from BBC, Deutsche welle, CNn, etc.

From all Christian Slavs, Serbs are oldest Christians. Actually, most probable that Serbs goes among oldest Christian of Europe if not first official Christian (Sremska Mitrovica diocese, its was, if I can recall).

But what Orthodox Serbs managed during middle age (in case with its pre-Christian tradition) is more then, for example, Irish Catholics or any Protestants managed.

We have our national (peoples) Church. We recognize Constantinople what is to us same as Rome, because we see Constantinople Patriarch as apprentice to Pope. So, we don`t buy that crap and we enjoy our freedom. In addition, we had Sv. Sava Nemanjic in middle ages that managed to insert some pre-Christian rituals (around SLAVA family custom- dedicated to ancestors and Vidovdan- dedicated to Svetovid), to Christianize those rituals.

Now. Pope of Rome and Constatniople Patriarch and Greeks and Italians all issued pressures on Serbs over our form of Christianity (specific even within Orthodoxy). Even Russians had their complaints on us. They were full of Third Rome stories and ``clean`` Christianity. Serbian answer to all was that we don`t question anything within Christianity but that we want even more autonomy (technically, its even same as Catholicism but we don`t recognize Pope, neither Pope deserved it from us- they simple killed too many of us and they lost any chance to be authority to Serbs; In fact, as you see, even Greeks committed genocide on Serbs and they also aren`t authority to us). Russians were scandalized with our wish to be even more independent from all. And now, like wounded dog, they change their position. They learned. They sow how Greeks and Italians work together whenever have to deal with Slavs. And now they coming to Serbs and ask about teachings of Sv. Sava. Serbian Patriarch only noted: ,,Romans are Romans, aren`t they brothers, no matter Western Romans or Eastern Romans.`` And Russians lavishly supported decoration of Sv. Sava Church in Belgrade.

>>>> Putin in Belgrade, temple of St. Sava, last year >>>>

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You Poles would also learn and you will ask about Sv. Sava Nemannic. He was cousin to Polish Jadwiga.

Think carefully about your answer.

You better ask yourself why Jan Lopuzansky of Polish Ultra Wing Catholics within parliament of Poland said, back in 1999 /citation/: ``How NATO today deal with Serbs, one day will deal with Poles.`` To make you this more clear, I will only remind you that exactly at time when Lopusansky said that, Pope John Paul II visited Poland and issued pressure on moron Kwasnewski to immediately stop Poland`s involvement against Serbs. So, logistically, Lopuzansky coordinated with Pope John Paul II. Why? Because always in history, Polish patriots knew that attack on Serbs represent just prelude to attack on Poles. Sure, its not that simple. To Poland, Serbia is last hope. To Poland we mean more then to Russia. By helping us, Russia in fact helping Poland.

I know Torq that you don`t undesirable this. But Corey Lewandowski and those who need to know this among Poles, knows it.

>>>> Corey Lewandowski in Belgrade >>>>

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Should I tell you @Torq, this cream of info? Yes, I should be nice. See, after (as US Trump`s confidential man) finishing formal talks with Serbian top politicians and economic (!) magnates (!), regarding US interests in the region and Serbian mediation between those and Russia`s interests, informally brat Corey Lewandowski asked his Serbian brethren, what Russians say, where are Serbia and Poland. He got answer how is Russian stance that all depend on us. That will all what harmed Poles and Serbs be corrected and that will our borders only expand, what is by Russia seen as increase of balance within Slavic and Christian world and in Europe. Russians only expect that we in joint projects refrain from any hostility on Russia. In return, Russia prevents any third side, Germany and EU included, in harming our joint projects. Brat Corey Lewandowski also learned how is Russia confident that USA`s, Russia`s and Vatican`s positions won`t go against Polish-Serbian (ie Central European) projects and specific interests.

Anyway, brat Corey left Belgrade and returned to USA, how to say, extremely pleased. So much pleased that the day after his return from Belgrade he personally opened his company for investment in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where he supported Bosnian Serb leader Milorad Dodik and secured his major role in Bosnian politics.

Some time after this, last year, Polish President Duda made major shift in his policy on the region here >>>>

Among Visegrad members, from the Western Balkan, you here see only Presidents of Serbia and Slovenia / only those states are serious and only those states have future, if you understand me; no representatives of Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania and Crna Gora /

In about same time, Hungarian Orban shewed this map to his Videgrad colleagues >>>>

Map that describes how Hungary and Serbia share Adriatic and borders in the region, as was proposed by working (just at that time Serbs prevented it trusting in Yugoslavia; today is different)

>>>> offered to Serbia by London treaty after WWI >>>>

Unofficially, Vatican and Russia are interested only in the sense of creating long lasting border between Catholics and Orthodox (not in the sense pure Catholic and pure Orthodox but simple in strategic sense). To Vatican is no important what are Catholics that control major Catholic zone. To Vatican is also very important that are Serbs satisfied, that Serbs heal and Pope would like to avoid that Serbia sue Vatican for genocide (much better is that Vatican with time express its regret and admit truth on its own). Vatican also wants to show itself as sincere center for all Christians and correct mistakes from past. Now, considering that complete region (Orthodox and Catholic parts) belong to ethnic Serbian space (other stories are just past anti-Serbian Vatican`s, Italian, Turkish, German and Austrian projects), Serbia is asked to say her preferences with whom Catholics would like to share borders, how see future of region. Here Serbia involved Hungary considering that Hungary repented and showing interests to put past behind and correct damage done to Serbs (Hungary was also part of anti-Serbian coalition but because of that had even major internal turbulence and never moved on Serbs). You can only imagine how dobri Orban of Hungary reacted on call of Serbia. Its a chance to Hungary to get to Adriatic. Its positive answer of Serbia on Hungarian offered hand. Italy of course complained but Serbia gave middle finger to Italy for Italian role in genocide of Serbs and, that is when Putin and Chinese Xi talked to Italians on behalf of Serbia and Hungary. So now Hungary and Italy needs to solve misunderstandings and Serbia would give final word on exact position of border (defined by Russia and Vatican and blessed by USA- where Serbia have freedom to move borders here and there for some 50-100 km, which is satisfaction of historical justice after which we all move on- in reality it mean that would Serbia ultimately consult with Hungary on exact borders with final word of Serbia). Turkey? Turkey had to give up on all her neo-Turkish ambitions in the region, of course. Other who are interested, like Germany? Germany itself is on menu. Austria? Itself on menu. EU? Itself on menu.

When this is done, it would be normal to have Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim Serbs and it would be allowed Serbia to prosper without weakening Serbs over internal religious lines.

Crow
5 Feb 2020  #1175

Just heard. Things are moving...

Serbians of Crna Gora call Serbia to intervene against Crna Gora dictator Milo Djukanovic and annex Serbian Crna Gora.

Ziemowit
5 Feb 2020  #1176

So Serbia would be like the Soviet Union intervening in various countries at the request of the communist governments there which wished to bring in the Soviet army against its own people.

Shame for Serbia!

Torq
5 Feb 2020  #1177

Sv. Sava Nemanjic (...) insert some pre-Christian rituals (...) Vidovdan- dedicated to Svetovid), to Christianize those rituals.

So you say that what looked like a heretical statement, was in fact a rather clumsy reference to an Orthodox form of inculturation (like Jesuit-style inculturation in Catholic Church)? Hm... *sighs heavily*

OK, brate Gavrane, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You got away with it (this time).

But be careful in the future... the firewood is plenty and heretics burn well.

Crow
5 Feb 2020  #1178

Shame for Serbia!

What? What? What? Don`t be jealous. Poland will also expand. We have to bring freedom and democracy to our people, when we are called. Or maybe even won`t be need for annexation. Maybe Crna Gora get rid of dictator on its own and join to Serbia again.

After all, you Poles already expanded after partitions. Now we Serbians reunite.

Ziemowit
5 Feb 2020  #1179

you Poles already expanded after partitions

Poland did not expand after the partitions. Before the first partition Poland's territory was 733,000 sq km; these days it is only 312 696 sq km.

Crnogorac3
5 Feb 2020  #1180

njegos.org/ng/ng2.htm

AN UNCONQUERED RACE

Crna Gora was known as Serbian Sparta not without a very good reason.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mojkovac

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grahovac

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vučji_Do

krstas

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Krusi

Many invaders came, usually more numerous, but ended up leaving their bones here.

A famous Englishman's poem about Crna Gora / Montenegro:

tennyson

Anyways here is the best site on the history of Crna Gora, a true gem:

njegos.org

Crnogorac3
5 Feb 2020  #1181

youtu.be/2TkG0MMVhq0

Gusle instrument

Polish poets of the 17th century mentioned the gusle in their works. In a poem published in 1612, Kasper Miaskowski wrote that "the Serbian gusle and gaidas will overwhelm Shrove Tuesday" (Serbskie skrzypki i dudy ostatek zagluszą). In the idyll named Śpiewacy, published in 1663, Józef Bartłomiej Zimorowic used the phrase "to sing to the Serbian gusle" (przy Serbskich gęślach śpiewać). In some older Serbian books on literature it was stated that a Serbian guslar performed at the court of Władysław II Jagiełło in 1415.

Crow
5 Feb 2020  #1182

First, be aware that borders in the region shifting no matter what Serbs and Serbia want. There are other players, too. Italy, Hungary and Albania. So, we Serbians only wants to say our word on processes in situation when all have appetites on old Serbian ethnic ground.

Now, let me show you what was Serbia before first partition by Ottoman Turks, Venetia and Austria. So, no chance we regain all our ethnic territories. In the meanwhile, since first partition enormous genocide on Serbs happened by the hands of Turks, Austrians, Italians, Hungarians, Vatican (in Croatia), Germans, Greeks.

French map from 1862, ethnic Serbian territories in back then (in 1862) Turkey and Austria and, extent of Serbian ethnic state in 1336

We live in region where clashes Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Islam. Because of that our people was split over the religious influences and lines. Minimum for Serbs would be to make deal with Hungary and have historical peace between us splinting the region of former Yugoslavia, particularly Croatia. Slovenia would remain independent (BDW, liberated and created by Serbia after WWI), Croatia ceasing to exist split between Hungary and Serbia (as Orban himself suggests), Bosnia-Herzegovina goes to Serbia, Crna Gora goes to Serbia. Now, Kosovo goes back to Serbia or we make deal with Albania and split Kosovo where Albania compensate us with parts of its own territory in north of Albania all to the Adriatic sea (in past Serbian regions anyway). Macedonia, split between Serbia and Albania.

Proposition by Hungarian PM Orban, 2 years ago map presented to Visegrad members and Serbia, Greater Hungary with focus on Adriatic/former Yugoslavia and split between Hungary and Serbia, what would satisfy Hungary >>>

Territories offered to Serbia by London treaty after WWI, what Serbia refused in order to make possible formation of Yugoslavia, and liberation of Slovenia (note: different from Slavonia), Croatia (back then tiny region of Catholic and Orthodox Serbs of three towns- Zagreb, Krizevci and Varazdin), Slavonia (region of Catholic and Orthodox Serbs), Krajina (region of Orthodox Serbs), Bosnia and Herzegovina (region of Muslim and Orthodox Serbs), Dalmatia (region of Catholic and Orthodox Serbs) >>> Now, Yugoslavia is no more and beside Serbs, other players also have interests >>>

Crow
6 Feb 2020  #1183

As false state, artificial nation and genocidal creation, Croatia will be split between more serious states, Hungary and Serbia >>> Hungary will help in bringing order and will get back its access to Adriatic sea and Serbia will liberate Serbs and former Serbs and liberate again its access to Adriatic sea >>>

Croatian PM irked by map of greater Hungary featured at Orbán meeting

Hungarian PM Orban openly to Croatian officials about split of Croatia between Hungary and Serbia and Hungarian move to the Adriatic coast

Visegrad Group helping Serbia provide serious weapons from Russia >>>

Hungary helps Russia deliver military vehicles to Serbia

>>> emerging-europe.com/news/hungary-helps-russia-deliver-military-vehicles-to-serbia/

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"Serbia has many friends - but Hungary is special"

Vucic said, describing "the friendship between the two nations" as "inextricably strengthened."


Hungary has the best relationship with Serbia from among it neighbours

kormany.hu/en/ministry-of-foreign-affairs-and-trade/news/hungary-has-the-best-relationship-with-serbia-from-among-it-neighbours

Excellent relations, mutual respect between Serbia, Hungary

srbija.gov.rs/vest/en/139868/excellent-relations-mutual-respect-between-serbia-hungray.php

Torq
6 Feb 2020  #1184

Croatia will be split between more serious states, Hungary and Serbia

No, it won't be.

Hungary will help in bringing order and will get back its access to Adriatic sea

No, Hungary won't get back their acces to Adriatic Sea.

Serbia will liberate Serbs and former Serbs and liberate again its access to Adriatic sea

No, Serbia won't do anything of the kind and won't gain access to Adriatic Sea either.
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To fully appreciate my deep insight into European politics, Crow, come back to this post in 5 years time, then in 10, 20, 30 and 50 years time, and still none of the things that you mention will happen. I guarantee it to you 100%. That's how good I am at predicting future. :)

Crow
6 Feb 2020  #1185

Oh, yes. Its ongoing.

Torq
6 Feb 2020  #1186

Oh, no. It's not.

Crow
6 Feb 2020  #1187

What you want brate? You heard brat Orban. They want it, they are willing and they can do it. And Croatia is always German zone of control. A Problem. We have to deal with it. Its also past mistake of Vatican. And our brother in Christ Pope will give blessings to all. He now wants to reconcile and correct past mistakes, to see us have what is ours.

After all, you want Serbs and Hungarians in the game or you want Italians? Because if its not us, then must be Italians. Only legal position of Slavic Adriatic hold Serbs and Italians. Its in documents. Serbians liberated that and Entente powers acknowledged that after WWI (before formation of Yugoslavia), while Italians have WWII papers when Independent State of Croatia gave them Dalmatia as a gift. Only formation of second Yugoslavia, after WWII, prevented Italy to take it.

If Italians controls Adriatic its again German zone of control and again it prevents Poland to get access to warm seas. So what you want?

On the other side, our friends and brothers Hungarians always complaints on Triannon deal. They push for it anyway. So, we Serbs must follow as situation dictate. Our and Hungarian deal is natural.

Torq
6 Feb 2020  #1188

What you want brate?

I want you to get a grip of yourself. Serbia can join Intermarium but you can't have hostile plans towards other Międzymorze countries (like Croatia, for example).

After all, you want Serbs and Hungarians in the game or you want Italians?

Hungarians are a part of V4 and our dearest friends - you know that. As for Italians, they even have Poland in their national anthem (and we have Italy in ours). :) As for Serbia - you have to decide: do you prefer to follow in the footsteps of Racowie, or do you want to be Putin's Trojan horse... your choice.

Crow
6 Feb 2020  #1189

I want

If you continue like this I would start to think that you support genocide committed on Serbs. Let it go man. Non can escape with killing of such a proportions. Deep state of Vatican and its minions, who harmed us, must be defeated over those genocidal plans and actions. Border must be corrected. Not to say that those in Vatican who done that to Serbs, can do that easily to Poles. Its that pro-Germanic line in Vatican that harmed Poland in past already. They can`t get what they want and we must take what is ours and get compensation to such enormous loses (we liberated Adriatic in WWI / WWII and other regions and plus our people- Catholic and Orthodox Serbs was taken from us).

Let it go man. Its good for Poles that it go.

Hungarians are a part of V4 and our dearest friends - you know that.

Yes, and we Serbs are thankful that V4 helping in arming Serbia. Seams that some people in V4 thinks different then you think. They know that Serbia must be ready.

As for Italians, they even have Poland in their national anthem (and we have Italy in ours). :)

Sure. Frog people is wise. Expected that from them. Ask them to give you golden cage and they will gladly do it. You Poles are nice to them in your delusion and we Serbs have to do dirty job. Don`t complaint later when Serbia gets financial Capital in new Central European Commonwealth. Poland would get political Capital. You are wise, good for politics, stay good with Italians. Keep it and we will count money.

you have to decide: do you prefer to follow in the footsteps of Racowie, or do you want to be Putin's Trojan horse... your choice.

Serbs are Serbs. Sarmatian finest. We are center of our common civilization and not Poland and not Russia. You both don`t deserve that.

Torq
6 Feb 2020  #1190

Serbs are Serbs. Sarmatian finest.

You surely realise that Poles are directly descended from Sarmatians, and Sarmatism is a strictly Polish phenomenon?

not Poland

How could it not be Poland, the True Mother of Slavia? That's blasphemy.

not Russia

Well, certainly not Russia. Agree 100%.

Miloslaw
6 Feb 2020  #1191

Sarmatians, and Sarmatism is a strictly Polish phenomenon?

Yeah, nothing to do with Serbs.....

Crnogorac3
6 Feb 2020  #1192

@(((miloslaw)))

You proved again that you know nothing about Serbs.

You are now obviously trolling.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serboi

Thanks for confirming that you know jack sh#t about history.

Crow
7 Feb 2020  #1193

Man, Poles are Serbs. Things are so certain that are Poles Serbs that if they aren`t Serbs, they are newcomers to Poland, as Hitler said, and we all know that Hitler was wrong. So yes, Poles are Serbs. In origin. From that Serbian line from Balkan to Baltic. Serbians = Sarmatians. Last usable local versions of Sarmatian name are used in Serbia and Lusatia. And Kashubs also still using Serbian name for themselves.

Time for truth and awakening.

Torq
7 Feb 2020  #1194

Man, Poles are Serbs. Things are so certain that are Poles Serbs

Franek Dolas agrees...

Yugoslavia

Dolas in Yugoslavia

... :)

Crow
7 Feb 2020  #1195

This will all be just fine. Victory is at hand.

Torq
7 Feb 2020  #1196

Victory is at hand.

Yes it is... IF...

1. "Serbian soldiers units together with NATO and partner nations Moldova and Montenegro during Combined Resolve IV exercise at the U.S. Army's Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, (Germany), May 21, 2015."

Serbian army together with NATO

2. "Serbian, Belarusian and Russian units at the Rayevsky training ground during exercise Slavic Brotherhood , Novorossiysk, Russia, 2018"

Serbian army in Mongolia

... IF you stop sitting on the fecking fence (as shown in the pictures above), and finally make up your mind: are you with us or against us?

Crow
7 Feb 2020  #1197

We are Serbs. We wants best from all. We then digest that here where is center of Slavic and European civilization.

Crow
7 Feb 2020  #1198

Serbia regain status of regional military power

For its army and police Serbia both first contingent of 9 helicopters from France, Airbus H145M Attack Helicopters, Tests >>>

H145M

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>>>> youtube.com/watch?v=-6IV_w3oGdc

Both from Russia and delivered to Serbia over the air-space of Poland, Slovakia and Hungary >>>

Mi-35

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From Russia, Serbia both first contingent of seven MI-35 and three MI-17 Helicopters >>>

>>>> youtube.com/watch?v=4yObRAMvnKs

Mil Mi-35 test flights

>>>> youtube.com/watch?v=gNJfLW9zsmU

"Serbian, Belarusian and Russian units at the Rayevsky training ground during exercise Slavic Brotherhood , Novorossiysk, Russia, 2018"

Participation of Serbs in exercise `Slavic Brotherhood` done more for security of Poland then doing complete NATO alliance.

Joker
19 Feb 2020  #1199

Hey Crow, Guess what?? Blago is a free man!

news.yahoo.com/trump-commutes-former-illinois-gov-191937876.html

Cant wait to hear what he has to say in the forthcoming days:)

Crow
19 Feb 2020  #1200

Oh, how magnificent. Oh, thank you God. I just heard. Blago coming back on the streets of Chicago!

Thank you venerable brate Trump for reducing sentence of our Blago. Thanks also to entire Polonia, I know, there are your fingers in it.

Blago, victim of Obama is finally free.

USA is great again!

First thing Blago said out of jail: ``My thanks to Trump and God.``


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