Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Merged: Flight 17 shot down over Ukraine

Never have I seen such blatant propaganda in reporting news since 9/11.
Ya have ta jist sit back and roll your eyes these days.
This is the latest in the "new evidence" concerning it.
From 'Red October' village, new evidence on downing of Malaysian plane over Ukraine
(Reuters) - Villagers in eastern Ukraine have told Reuters they saw a missile flying directly overhead just before a Malaysian airliner was shot out of the sky on July 17.

Solid evidence for sure. (*as eyes roll*)
What happened to the other comic book thread on this ?

Did they say that (or anything else)reported by either side is


, and do you think the report from the villagers shouldn't be reported?

I forgot, you will have to google it for yourself.
Let us know what you came up with.

USA mistaking for provoking war with Slavs.

"The very scary reality behind the silly rumors of Putin's death

Putin is almost certainly going to re-emerge in a few days looking none the worse for wear. But this isn't the first time rumors of this kind have caught on - and the fact that he can't cancel a couple of meetings without causing a frenzy of speculation hints at a deeper truth about Russia and the state of Putin's regime."

vox.com/2015/3/12/8205193/putin-death-rumors

Plenty about this on the internet - most dismissing it as a rumour since he's apparently done this before. A few commentators say the ame sort of thing as that article - namely that there would be a power vaccuum. The danger is that someone even worse would come - just as Beria tried his damndest when Stalin made the world a better place by dying.

This could potentially be very dangerous for Ukraine. In the very short term anything could happen, in the short to medium term the generals would be frightened to take the initiative and in the long term hopefully things would settle. The wrong successor though and they could be eying the Baltics and maybe Poland.

From allnews website but others have much the same:


If they're putting old pictures up on the government website and trying to pass them off as current, then something's wrong, whatever that may be.

The article I read said that they were worried that there may be a plot to assasinate Putin for revenge
so they put him in hiding.

The latest though is this article:
Ukraine's Prime Minister Yatsenyuk Declares War on Russia
By Eric Zuesse.
washingtonsblog.com
Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who on 4 February 2014 was selected for his post by Victoria Nuland of the U.S. State Department, was quoted by Ukrainian media on Thursday March 12th of 2015 as saying that, Ukraine is in a state of war with a nuclear state, which is the Russian Federation.

The sabers rattle louder.

Doesn't ring true. After all, he's well protected.


David and Goliath.

Now here is an interesting statement. So now the mighty US of A select people for government posts in Ukraine? Care to elaborate as to exactly what Nuland did on said day of 04.02.2014 to elevate Yatsenyuk to his new post?

I forgot, you will have to google it for yourself.
Let us know what you came up with.

Remember the conversation she had on 4-2-14 when she said, "Fukc the E.U." ?
In that same phone conversation, Nuland and Pyatt discussed who should be in the government after Viktor Yanukovych's ouster, with the name of Arseniy Yatseniuk (whom Nuland refers to as "Yats") coming up several times.

"Yats" became prime minister of Ukraine on February 27, 2014.
I hope I have pointed you in the right direction for your research.

So what? A British (or American, or Polish) politician may think that x y or z should be premier of, say, Greece. That doesn't mean he or she was "selected" by them.

Re. Putin's disappearance, the media are saying his partner has just given birth which could well explain it.

I didn't post it to perpetuate the rumors, it wasn't the point, the point was this sentence:

"Putin is almost certainly going to re-emerge in a few days looking none the worse for wear. But this isn't the first time rumors of this kind have caught on - and the fact that he can't cancel a couple of meetings without causing a frenzy of speculation hints at a deeper truth about Russia and the state of Putin's regime."

anyways...

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No worries - it's clear from your post that you weren't perpetuating the rumours. In any case, it's all over the Internet anyway and has been picked up by reputable news sources, not just conspiracy sites. Though conspiracy sites are going to town over it - most of the relating somehow to the Ukraine invasion.

The theory that he's off work because his partner's just had a baby is one of the more credible ones. Some sources say that the Kremlin have said they're going to make a big announcement over the next few days - most of that is scaremongering.

No I can not remember the conversation she had on 04.02.14 because the conversation you are referring to did not take place on 04.02.14.


Well, "research" is a bit far fetched. But anyway, no, you only pointed to the fact (once again) that all of the sources you are using and that you refer to in this thread are highly unreliable.

Here comes my little stalker with, "care to defend yourself as to exactly" and my reply initially was "NO" you go do your own research (which I see you didn't) so we can ask you to "Elaborate" your findings.


That is because you like to argue and here you have a captive audience so it is convenient not to remember.


No, no it is not, as go research it as it is all over the internet and if you can't find it that's YOUR problem not mine to spend my time appeasing you as you respond to each and every one of my post (stalking me) with a challenge to defend myself.

I am done wiping your Nerd ass just for the sake of arguement. Caught on yet ?


Then I would say it is time that you start posting YOUR SOURCES that contradict mine so we can ELABORATE on them..

I think I have stated this previously. If you make claims, you will have to back them up somehow. If you can not, or if you do not want to back them up, your claims are nothing but thin air. If you would like to be a man who is seen as someone who just makes random claims without any proof, reliable sources etc. , fine suit yourself :)


I like to argue when there is something to argue about. Such as your claim that this telephone conversation took place on 04.02.2014, which it didn't. It has proven your sources as highly unreliable, AGAIN!


:-), I respond to your posts when they are nothing but thin air, part of your conspiracy theories or simply laughable as your statement about coming to Poland to drink "top shelf vodka". All other posts of yours do not interest me.


I have done that plenty of times to which you managed to come up with the response "it was all planned long before".

But just one thing, the leak of the conversation you are referring to was first posted online on the 04.02.2014. That does not mean that the conversation took place on that day, as suggested by the source article you have linked to.

If the highlights of an ice hockey game that took place, lets say on 28th of January 2014, are posted on youtube on the 4th of February 2014, does that mean that the day of the match changed to the 4th of February?

Your sources have once again proven to be unreliable, written by conspiracy theorists. You are well aware of the fact that you have once again been caught out writing about something you clearly do not know much about. It is visible that you know that you have been caught otherwise you would not react in the childish manner as you did in post 3514.

Jolly, I'm still waiting for Johnny to provide that video he says exists of US special forces troops operating in Ukraine.

Harry, I am still waiting for you to provide us with which country you served in the army for, Australia or England.
The rest of this post ended up in Off Topic as I must be pi$$ing someone off. lol

Judging by post 3517, you might be in for a long wait, Harry :) :)

How far is USA land mass from the Ukraine? Let`s say 10.000 km. How far is Russia? If Russia manage to prove existence of operational USA troops on Ukrainian soil, it would be great moral victory for Russia. Weight of such a fact and proof would be that big, that would Russia rightfully become able to virtually do whatever Russia want and can. Whatever could be Russian move (but still rational), Russia could even declare that act in the name of protection of entire Slavic world and, in that situation, with USA troops in Ukraine, it would be absolutely correctly said.

Logic is simple. One must understand that is Russian statehood in Ukraine older then total statehood of the USA. Poles also could say that. After all, Serbians had two their ethnic provinces in what is today`s Ukraine in time when USA state didn`t even exist.

Now, why would USA allow itself to do what USA want, in order to protect her interests 10.000 km from USA lend mass, while all other players needs to accept that. Are we all crazy, while is USA and co (west of Europe) smart? No, we all have our interests and we all could decide to defend them.

From my own point of view, Slavic world have to be outside of NATO. Or, to say, at least to be neutral on global military alliances. It becoming obvious that USA and west of Europe insist that are Slavs obliged to be oriented on them, to belong in their spheres of influence. At the same time, Russia is obviously satisfied that are other Slavs at least neutral.

How i see things, if west of Europe and USA continue to insist, conflict is inevitable. Russia shows all signals of readiness to respond with reciprocity.

From where? There is no such country as "The Ukraine" Crow. Perhaps you are talking about a Serbian province? But if so, i am not sure how that would relate to the independent country "Ukraine".

my friend, independence is in our world taken quite flexible. That`s how USA and west of Europe ordered things. Power is important.

That about it.


Borders of Ukraine were brawn by the communists. That`s the bottom line. You sow what happened in Yugoslavia where border were also drawn by communists? Well, even so, we had chance to avoid conflict but, NATO and EU insisted.

Now, think.

I did. And i am still thinking about the fact that in post 3521 you referred to a country that ceased to exist 24 years ago and i wonder why that might be.

ah, that. Yes, effectively, EU and NATO destroyed Ukraine. Exactly what they done to Yugoslavia.

Ah ok! Thank you for your clarification. So, the collapse of the Soviet Union and subsequent "The Ukrainian SSR" becoming "Ukrane" is the fault of the EU and NATO? Perhaps you also want to tell the Latvian, Lithuanian and Estonian people that their beloved Estonian SSR, Latvian SSR and Lithuanian SSR only became independent because the EU and NATO forced them against their will?

I think THE Ukraine crisis is just a staged ploy for the big one between Israel/United States and Iran/Russia.
To help clarify Nerd Boy's meaningless arguement..........
I guess no one knows the exact date of the call as it was a diplomatic call.
It was published on U-tube on February 4th suggesting January 28th.


Holy Horrors, I was five days off to a meaningless detail, as in WHO GIVES A FLYing FUKC ! beside Nerd Boy for
the mere sake of arguement. Koo Koo !
The State Department and the White House suggested that an assistant to the deputy prime minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin was the source of the leak, which he denied.

In the recording, Nuland makes an obscene reference to the European Union.
After discussing Ukrainian opposition figures Nuland states that she prefers the United Nations as mediator, instead of the European Union, adding "**** the EU," and Pyatt responds, "Oh, exactly ...."

Hope that helps untangle the knot in your shorts over something so trivial. lol

You have used "THE" in the wrong context. But ok, you wouldn't know any better.



So which one is it? If nobody knows the exact date of the call, how do you know that you were 5 days off?


It is not a meaningless detail. It shows how the blogs, which you use to try to make your point, are doing their research. Either they are doing a very sloppy research or they knowingly mislead their readers. Either way, they are not reliable and by showing that the call did not take place on 04.02.14, you have once again been caught to be using unreliable sources.


The "tiny", "trivial" detail has shown everyone else again that you do not know what you are talking about. You might laugh it off with an "lol" but the fact that you have chosen unreliable sources remains. And, it is not my fault that you continue to use unreliable sources again and again. That is your choice alone.

Are you Harry's son by any chance ?


Nope, I used it in the correct context just to show you that you won't burn in hell if you color outside the lines.

Again my little nerd stalker troll.....NOBODY CARES, honest, really, nobody cares.....well except you that is.


I have an inside connection and the call was made january 28th but don't tell anyone I told you, it's classified.


I will let them know that you disaprove of their reporting first thing monday morning.


Yes it is, how else are we going to keep laughing at you for amping out over meaningless crap.
One more time.....real slow this time.....nobody.....even ......cares......except........you.
That's what makes it so funny, you do it to yourself.
Try and color outside the lines for once in your life (throw them tighty whities away) and see how good it feels.
Nobody is getting ulsers over this but you because nobody........else.....gives......a.....rats.....ass. Get it now.

Japan giving signals to changing its strategic position globally, switched side, abandoning loyalty to the west of Europe and USA, support Russian stance

Ex-Japanese PM finds Crimea referendum 'expressed real will' of locals

rt.com/news/239537-japan-former-pm-crimea-visit/



Strategic changes in the world. No doubt about it. Seams that idea about multi-polar world becoming more and more attractive.

You are right Crow.
The Japs are between a rock and a hard place geographically.
The Germans don't believe Putin is a threat to the West either.
An EU military force is being justified as protection from Russia, but it may also be a way of reducing US influence as the EU and Germany come to loggerheads with the US and NATO over Ukraine.

The polemics and arguments for an EU Army may be based around Russia, but the idea is really directed against the US. The underlying story here is the tensions that are developing between the US, on one side, and the EU and Germany, on the other side. This is why Germany reacted enthusiastically to the proposal, putting its support behind a joint EU armed force.

Just think of the trillions of dollars the U.S.A. would save not supporting the E.U.