Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Yes Johnny, we get it, all of us do which is the great thing about a public forum. It is visible for everyone.


Right, so first you said:


Now you are saying:


Because:


Nice one! :) As I said, you couldn't troll at a higher level.


I must seriously doubt your intelligence if you are unable to understand as to why this, what you call meaningless crap, is important. You have used the "Washington Blog" as the source article to prove your point. The Washington Blog stated that this call was made on 04.02.2014 which is false.

It means they either did their research very sloppy or they are misinforming their readers on purpose. If you can not see why such a small detail is important, you seriously must have missed school quite a lot.


Ok thanks, you did confirm my suspicion about lacking education.

Good day my little stalking Nerd troll,


You should have no problem posting that claim for everyone to see then.
We're waiting.......................


That is what I am here for is to confirm things, defend myself, and be judged just for you by you jolly.
I missed you in church this morning.......oh wait, this is your church.

Ukraine has been an unstable country from day one. Your opinion is invalid.

Not really but it is here for everyone to see already johnny. No need to entertain your trolling even further.

Or maybe it is YOU who is trolling here.
You think I am going to let you off that easy. WRONG !
That is a false statement and you know it.
You would hold my feet to the fire for the such.
Your turn now that the shoe is on the other foot.
Fair is fair so wiggle as you may.
Defend your statement with proof just like you tiresomely demmand that I do.
Or is it now, do as I say, not as I do.

It is not like you have a choice in the matter, johnny :) :)

It's all written in the thread, visible for everyone. No need to "defend" myself. But keep ranting :)

Very few new democracies are stable from Day One. Look at the Second Polish Republic - an assassination, a coup d'etat, military rule, internment of political dissidents and years of squabbling. We can't expect the Ukraine or any newly democratic country to turn into Sweden overnight.


The Stratfor guy that you sometimes post about predicted that.


Which is why Europe must stay strong and together - that includes Western, Eastern and Central Europe.


Indeed - a sensibl move for the future.

And hats off to the E.U.......finally standing up for themselves and rejecting Uncle Sam's control over them.
My personal take on it is that most Americans know that Obama has put our country in ruins
so far that it is past the point of any return.
America is going down fast as our Constitution has been shredded with no meaning anymore.
Obama has signed over 900 executive orders. More then all the other past presidents put together.
Dictatorship for socialism.
If Hillary gets in we will see it in our life time.
Europe minus the UK (as they are done also in my books) will thrive once it all shakes out.
That's why when Crow keeps pounding away about the Slav's uniting I understand the point he
is trying to make. Sometimes off the wall but his main point is right on.
A LOT of Americans with money are fleeing to other countries knowing this.
I just read a blog about how many Americans have renounced their citizenship as of lately.
Now it costs something like ???? maybe $200 U.S.D. to renounce it legally. (Don't quote me on that jolly)
The poor 50% + (welfare) have no choice but to stay because they have been bought by the government who has handi capped them to survive, the middle class are stuck because they have just enough to survive, and the rich have properties

in other countries.
I love my country but hate what my government has turned into for the sake of greed and power.
Ask me again WHY I built a house in Jamaica.

At 08:00 (Moscow time), this morning Russia surprisingly relocated 38.000 soldiers, 55 warships and submarines, 110 jets and helicopters

38,000 Russian soldiers take part in surprise drills



What Poland needs are Visegrad Group and Serbia. Rest of Eastern, South-Eastern and Central Europe would join more or less automatically, around Poland. That and, neutral stance on global military alliances is enough for the peace with Russia.

West of Europe? i don`t know for the west of Europe. Most of us needs western Europe only for the correct business, if possible. Security is something else. West of Europe has its own issues with Russia, which don`t need to go over the heads of us in Eastern, South-Eastern and Central Europe. Plus, west of Europe proved to be untrustworthy ally, even treacherous, capable even to join efforts with Islamic league against Slavs.

massive riots in Kostiantynivka ,after fascist ukras APC run over pedestrians and killed 8 years old child.Apparently the mother died in hospital. a second child injured

You mean they didn't drag her round the city behind their tank in the same way that they did when the crucified that child last year?!

Sure there is a need for you to defend yourself because I am calling you out and saying that, "You can not
support that staement with any proof to defend yourself".
You know it too, the shoe is on the other foot and I am using your kindergarden tactics that you thrive on stalking other people with relentlesssly so now it is my turn.

Your statement of :


is simply not true.
Now you are like the little boy whistling in the dark. lol
The egg on your face is bright yellow for everyone here to see, no denying it is there.
Are your sources unreliable or are you just lying ? LMAO

Once again johnny, there is no need to further entertain your trolling. Everything is in the thread, for everyone visible. You can "call me out" as much as you want. Good night :)

O.K. Buddy, I will back off now that you got a good taste of your own medicine.
How does it feel ?
Didn't like it did you.
Neither do other people here.
I hope you learned your lesson.
Shall we move on from here to make this forum better ?

Do you seriously believe that you are "dishing something back" here?


It always feels good to watch you humiliate yourself johnny.

But ok...... let's go for it, shall we? :)


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Well, johnny it is true because in their article, and I quote parts of it here, they say:


The part which I have marked bold and italic is actually linked (on the Washington Blog) to the youtube video called "Марионетки Майдана" which is the conversation in which Nuland apparently "selected" the new Ukrainian prime minister. By referencing that Nuland did that on 04.02.2014 and linking to the leaked phone call on youtube, they are clearly stating that this phone call took place on 04.02.14, which it didn't.

Then, my dear johnny, another of your comical episodes on this forum started:







Shall we continue johnny or is this enough humiliation for you on a Tuesday morning?


Johnny, we have all learned our lesson. There are only two possibilities. Either, you have made it your hobby to be this forums resident troll. Or, you have some masochistic tendencies and take some form of pleasure every time you get humiliated by having everything you say, claim and state on this forum torn to pieces. Either way, I prefer not to be part of it.


The only way to make this forum better is for you to take your nonsense elsewhere.

videos from konstantinovka ....fascists killing people ,driving over them with apc:
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY96rNvqGJm9rAyYlTow6DisrcjKxoXGq

I assume you mean the recent hit and run accident where a Ukrainian vehicle sadly hit a Ukrainian child. - well enough publicised.

Though yes, Putin's fascists are indeed killing people in Ukraine.

driving along pedestrian full of walking people,with APC cant be classified as "accident"
or...didnt you mean,this APC was russian designed therefore its Putin whose responsible?or maybe this child was terrorist?commit suicide like those in Odessa?

i watched video with old woman,Odessa massacre survivor...she was later prosecuted by fascist authorities for "high treason"after she got out of this building.

A hit and run can be, however sad it may be.


The only 'fascist authorities' are in Russia (plus whatever rabble are illegaly occupying Eastern Ukraine). I wonder if your old lady was the same actress who pretended to be different characters on Russian 'news' reports.

Perhaps not, but gregy, if your friend from the Kremlin would not be holding his hand over Donbass, there would not have been any need for those APC's to be in the region in the first place.

However, it is beyond me how some people immediately turn to pointing fingers instead of first recognizing the tradegy the family of the girl has just experienced. It shows the true character of these people and how much they really care.

What is interesting is the reaction of the local people to this event, immediately attacking the Ukrainian army.

It is not that surprising @ Barney. Kostyantynivka is not a stronghold for the pro-Ukrainian side or the Ukrainian army. The pro-Russia element is quite strong there and the Ukrainian army is not necessarily a welcomed guest. That said, perhaps if it was an accident involving a civil lorry and not an APC, there would not have been riots, but the driver still would have faced a lot of abuse if not even beatings.

The story from kiev is that all is good the people are held hostage by the rebels waiting to be liberated, that is clearly nonsense.

Buddha,Jesus and Columbus were Ukrainians according to Ukra parliament:
articleum.com/en/4206.html
censor.net.ua/forum/462001/budda__ukrainets
i hope ,territorial claims against India will not follow..banderista already demanded Krakow and Lublin


wow..thats pathetic ,coming from someone who been whithewashing Kiev crimes for months here.
there is only 1 reason why am on seps side...its amount of crimes,lies,war atrocities,manipulations and injustice throw upon those people in Donbass by Fascist criminals from Kiev..am not pro putin or pro russia...am polish and have no reason to be pro putin.

you are the one who white wash thousands of crimes committed by ukra soldiers and banderists...its Hilarious ,how you use this child death to patronize others.

shall i remind you about your whitewashing odessa criminals?victims murdered in Odessa had families too
but i guess for you and Jon,they are just "rabble illegally occupying east ukraine" as Jon said

Yes, please do gregy. Would be interesting to see what your understanding of "whitewashing" is. Please do remind me of those moments when I tried to whitewash the "odessa criminals". Surely it would not be a problem for you to point those quotes out to me.

i have no time to look at this thread,,,you were calling victims criminals who started this all event by attacking pro ukrainian crowd.
but here in this page,we got Harry mocking this child death,jon calling those people a "rabble" and you..
am glad am pro sep...would hate myself if i was on same side and in company with people like you 3

That is not true gregy. I have merely pointed out everything that happened on that day in Odessa including the pro-Ukrainian march to the Chornomorets stadium which was attacked by pro-Russians. I understand that you prefer to pretend that the fire in the Trade Unions House was the only thing that happened that day, but that would simply not be true.

Here is what I have written in post 3067 on 17.02.2015 at 15:13 and I think that I have clearly stated that there was no justification for burning people in the Trade Unions House. So your claim of


is something that you simply make up as you go along. Just like anything else you are posting here:

BS as usual...you are parroting idiots (who claim Jesus was Ukrainian)version of this event
no man...vast majority of people in kulikovo camp,had nothing to do with clashes with ukra nazi in town..and we know this atrocity was planned before.

thorough investigation would bring all facts...but guess what,your Kiev fascist refuse to even make public Post-mortem results.
whitewashing mass murderers as usual..

Did I in any way or form say that they did?

You need to learn to read and understand gregy. And more importantly, you need to start controlling your emotions, constant outbursts and insults. Read - Understand - Answer.

I have never said that the people in the camp outside the Trade Unions House were the ones that attacked the pro-Ukrainian march in the city center as you can see in post 3558.

is it not???????? you see? you got lost in your own lies.first you keep blabbing you never blamed camp people for any clashes and then you say its not only one side to blame..what do you mean?what were they to blame for,if not for clashes in town center then what did you mean??so what was their fault?they were merely peacefully protesting against illegal overthrowing their president.

i don't get your BS.
you trying hard to excuse mass murderers for their atrocity but its start to sound more and more idiotic.
i guess your empathy and sorrow for child killed in konstantinyvka today must have crippled your brain activity.