Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Yes, and where do I say that it was the people from the camp outside the Trade Unions House that are to blame? Perhaps you could point that out to me?


Again, i have not, at any point stated that it was their fault. The violence spread from the center to the Trade Unions House which caused the fire and the deaths. I have never said that it was the people from the camp who attacked the pro-Ukrainian march. What you are doing is blaming one side for the atrocity but you are leaving the events, which led to this atrocity, completely untouched. You ignore these events because it suits you to do so.


No, you don't get anything because you are unable to read and understand.


I have very clearly said that -


Where do you see any attempts in me "trying hard to excuse mass murderers", when i say that "there is no justification"?


And back to the insults, as per normal when gregy starts posting.

lol...as i said...its getting hilarious....now "the violence" that "spread" is to blame...lets not point the finger at nazi thugs,criminals,who were supplied with arms,petrol,molotov cocktails and organized and sent to kill......BUT "VIOLENCE THAT SPREAD"is to blame for this atrocity....my god ,how easy is to read your pathetic attempts to whitewash.

and you use 8 years child death to patronize others while supporting mass murders 20 minutes later.
the very reason why those responsible of Odessa massacre are free and live without fear of prosecution is because people like YOU

You are misquoting you me either on purpose or you truly have trouble understanding.


Never said that. That's your imagination which is obviously rage ridden.


Once again gregy, i am not "supporting" anyone. It is your problem and your problem alone that you are not capable of understanding that there is more to the fire in the Trade Unions House than you are ready and willing to admit.

I guess there will be more insults to come now so I will just go to bed. But please don't let that stop from continuing unloading your rage about something you clearly don't understand. I will have something to smile about in the morning.

Yes and everyone else here does too. And so is Gregy dishing it back to you. Are you so stupid that you don't understand our insults to humiliate you and your bullock or are you mentally ill ?

As everyone can also see that you are just a royal pain in the ass here and will argue with anyone that will entertain you.

It has become quite apparent that you have some major mental issues going on and everyone is hoping that your computer will short circuit and burn up.

But let's get back to the issue about you posting things that are untrue such as:


We are still waiting for you to varify this with a dated blog. And you can't seem to be able to produce it because you know that it is simply not true. I hate to keep confusing you with the facts here Fritz.

All you have produced is meaningless bullock that proves nothing.
Slippery as a little fish as you think you are by trying too confuse the issue with bullock you just humiliation yourself all the more. You have some masochistic tendencies and take some form of pleasure every time you get humiliated by having everything you say, claim and state on this forum torn to pieces.

Now you are arguing with gregy (as seen above) because I wasn't here for you to stalk with your daily trolling.
Go back in this thread and look how you sit and wait for hours for me to post and then as soon as I do you reply within minutes. I use to laugh so hard but now realize that you are not mentally all there.

So I guess I can't expect you to back up your false claims that the Washington post stated the call was made on 04.02.2014.
Another one of your errors posted here.
Have you ever thought about quietly bowing out and going some where for younger people your own age ?

No need to insult other posters, cut it out please.

Morning Johnny, back to your trolling I guess :)

My post 3558 has backed up my claim pretty good. Anyway, nice try :)

I assume that's the reason why you have to, as usual when you are stuck for proper arguments, go back to throwing around insults hoping that the rest of the nonsense you write on here will be overseen.


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You have once again shown how much class you have. Unable to have a proper discussion like a man, you turn into a childish brat every time you are being proven wrong. Which by the way, seems to be happening a lot.

As usual, your crying starts to derail the issue.
Your post of 3558 gave no proof.
Nice try Fritz.

It explained what you have asked me / wanted proof for regarding the article on Washington Blog. There isn''t anything else I can provide you with. Everything is in post 3558.

If you have forgotten what it was that you wanted proof for or if you are unable to understand my explanation, that is entirely your problem and yours alone.

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No, no you have not. All you did is try to confuse the issue AGAIN.
You can't show us where the Washington blog said what you claimed it did, simple is that.
Post 3558 shows nothing to the contrary as bad as you want it to.
Good try though.
Your insults will only get you another warning so play nice.

I did johnny and once again for everyone visible. You acting like a child again and again, your trolling and repeating that i haven't backed my claim up, does not change the fact that post 3558 is very clear and understandable.


oh dear oh dear. Good Luck johnny rep

No you did not.
That post does not support your claims.
We can all see that Hans.
Sorry but good try.



Yes it is but it has NOTHING to do with the Washington post blog !!!!! Geesh !
Well child or not Hans, when you get time go back to your post 3558 so everyone can see that you posted not one word about the fib you are telling about the Washington blog. in that post. Go look...............

ANOTHER one of your delusions. (Two now in one thread)
Do I rattle your trolling that much for such sloppiness ?


The more you dig the deeper your hole gets by your own self admission of guilt for everyone to see. <sigh>

The head of State Financial Inspection fired by junta leader yatzeniuk after discovering 7bn fraud

youtube.com/watch?v=h6Z3z8F4msE

fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/75-billion-uah-fraud-of-yatsenyuk.html

"Corruption schemes in Ukraine are headed by the government of Yatsenyuk," - said Gordienko, the chairman of State Financial Inspection.
he blame Arseniy Yatsenyuk of obstructing the investigation of corruption schemes.

Just shows that it's a maturing democracy with internal dissent that people are unafraid to express. In Moscow he'd hav received a bullet through his head.

Gregy have you read about Putin's Troll Army, spamming the Internet from their headquarters in Moscow?

This explains a lot about Russia's approach to information. All those comments on news websites and even a few posts on here...


bbc.com/news/world-europe-31962644

Who funded that BBC report?

One imgines the licence fee. Still many more times more credible than anything from Russian state media, and at least they do have some journalistic integrity - not something you'd find at RT or Pravda.

BBC Monitoring funding is quite interesting but the point is that you used a state sponsored outlet to criticise another (alleged) state sponsored outlet. BBC Monitoring is not the same as Gary Lineker giving us the football results.

Monitoring is funded by (among others) the MOD in Britain and the US state department. The information pool is not shared with ordinary BBC journalists.

So what. They're generally more trustworthy than most news outlets (look at some of the crap in this thread) and I'm happy to post an article from th e BBC here. If you dislike the BBC as a source of news, don't read the article - there are plenty of other news websites in the world.


Not alleged. The article's about a government department.

Perhaps you prefer to trust the Putinist Russian state, with their appalling history of propaganda and opacity. That or just trying to argue for the sake of it...

You may have had a point but you choose perhaps the worst source to illustrate your point there by undermining it.

as we can see from this article-life of ukrainians is improving fast,at least some of them :

fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/lifestyles-of-rich-and-famous-ukrainian.html

"The Ukrainian people are rapidly plunging into poverty - [according to the modest] official macroeconomic forecasts for 2015 the GDP will fall 11.9% and inflation will be 42.8%; by the end of 2014 total state debt of Ukraine has reached 71.5% of the GDP. However, the Ukrainian elites have no reason to worry.

The profit from the business, which Peter Poroshenko promised to sell during the election campaign has tripled. At the entrance to Kiev signs will direct guests of the capital not only to downtown Kiev, but also to "Roshen" shops.

The son of the Minister of Interior Avakov, purchased a huge penthouse in the center of Kiev with a magnificent view. The luxury complex has everything: from a spa to dry cleaning, even a Japanese garden with fountains. His neighbors are the family members of the SBU head Valentyn Nalyvaichenko and Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, Alexander Turchynov.

But the former Defense Minister of Ukraine, Valery Geletey, nicknamed "Ilovaisky" decided to follow a different trend and became the owner of the estate in neo-colonial style in Lincolnshire for 23 million pounds. Here dwells the daughter of former President Kuchma, the oligarch Rinat Akhmetov, as well as a on-the-run Prosecutor Makhnitsky from the party "Svoboda", who had enough money not only for London apartments, but to buy hotel "Hyatt" in the center of Kiev...

That's a very interesting fantasy. Sadly for some, the reality is that BBC Monitoring is 100% funded from the license fee.


bbc.co.uk/monitoring/about-us

Of course some people might claim that the BBC would say that, it can't be trusted, what with it being British and everything. How about a nice left-wing source for them?


theguardian.com/media/2012/mar/02/bbc-world-service-independence-funding-switch

But the Guardian is still British, and so some people won't trust it (you know how those Brits lie). So here's a rabidly pro-Russian source for them:


sputniknews.com/europe/20150122/1013386181.html

Given how sputniknews is owned by the Russian government, it's hard to see how even the most delusional pro-Kremlin Putin fan-boi would want to disagree with it.

Anyway, now the utterly untrue attack on the messenger has been dealt with, perhaps we could discuss the message about the professional pro-Kremlin internet trolls? Has anybody noticed the work of any of them? Personally I find that the level of pro-Kremlin trolling is so laughable, in terms of quality of writing and sources used and level of intelligence displayed, that I often wonder if those trolls aren't actually employed by the Ukrainian government as a false-flag operation.

In what way does posting an article from the BBC


anything? Entirely reputable.

It doesn't. But the standard practice of Kremlin supporters when they cannot argue against facts is to either attack the source or insult the messenger (or to do both).

Let me share one info in connection to the topic here, just for the record.

i was walking today near one primary school in Serbia (in Novi Sad- my city) when i heard how schoolchildren play. i heard when children were yelled (one group of children to another): ``you are USA gipsy land and we are Ukraine! Let us hide and then you can attack!`` So, i asked the children: ``What is the name of the game?`` Children replied as a choir: ``Mad gipsy king`` and they continued to run ignoring me

Point is. Child perception is very well indicator of the situation. i was fascinated that children didn`t even mention Russia. For them, gypsy land USA attacking Ukraine. Think of it

Your link undermines your point because BBC monitoring is partly funded by the U.S. state department and the British MOD, as I explained to you above. It had been wholly funded directly by the British government but is now partly funded via the licence fee a TV tax where poor people are regularly jailed for non payment. Funding comes from other governments, NGOs commercial activities and so on.


BBC World Service to sign funding deal with US state department
theguardian.com/media/2011/mar/20/bbc-world-service-us-funding

The world service Works closely with BBC media action which its annual reports confirm is also funded partly by the U.S. Government and the British government.

downloads.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/annualreports/2013-2014.pdf

Media action funding
bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

It's not widely known but the BBC today is partly funded by the US state department and still (directly) partly funded by the British government.

BBC broadcast fake news reports
spinwatch.org/index.php/blog/item/238-bbc-broadcast-fake-news-reports

Barney, it undermines nothing. I'm very happy to post a report from the BBC and all your conspiracy stuff and similar huffing and puffing about licence Dodgers doesn't alter the fact that the BBC is among the most respected news sources in the world.

By the way, your article from the conspiracy site is about British Forces Broadcasting - a very longstanding service for soldiers. Nice try, but no, a fail.

Do you, now we've established the respectability of the source though you personally may disagree, deny the integrity of the contents?

I never denied that the BBC is generally respected it is that is clear however it's role in prosecuting poor people and accepting funding by foreign governments including the U.S. state department do undermine its credibility as an impartial non state broadcaster which it claims to be.

It has broadcast fake news reports as have most broadcasters the question is whether that was intentional or not. The linked report was clearly intentional. It was broadcast by the BBC who commissioned the reporting knowing the journalists were employed by the MOD via the British forces broadcaster but didn't make this clear in the broadcast.

The article linked is badly cut and pasted try this version.
medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2005/385-bbc-broadcast-fake-news-reports.html

Jon post whatever link you wish if the topic is of interest to me and I believe that your link is compromised in some way I will say so. Here you are using a state funded organisation to criticise an alleged state funded operation.

You objected to me using the word alleged saying


The article you linked to offers no proof it uses the word alleged a word you highlighted because you choose to quote it then objected to me using the same word.

The integrity of the contents? There is no proof offered for anything in that report. You have established nothing you simply insist you have done something

You have pegged him there Barney. The person in question love to deal in gossip, veiled allegations and claims he is unable to back up with any evidence.

Ukrainian crisis is a complex issue there is more at play than a clear cut Russian "invasion" versus Ukrainians.

question to Ukrainian speakers...is poroshenko threatening protesters to be killed if they dont shut up ,on this video(according to kresy.pl he is)?:

youtube.com/watch?v=CqjYa7cQ5kA

if yes..is killing protesting citizens a democratic procedure?

it might be miss translation ,asking cus kresy translated as " cleaned up" (sprzatnac)...in polish this could be translated as to be killed

Good comment by Julian Assange who accuses west of Europe and USA for greed


Source: news.rin.ru/eng/news///100103

We are all aware what happening in Ukraine. We all understand proportions of responsibility of greedy NATO and EU leading powers. We understand their necessity to control, to subjugate, to expand. What we don`t know,... is there any chance that they pay for that greed.

Austrian politician Heinz-Christian Strache about greed of the NATO and EU leading powers >>>

Austrian politician sees "NATO, not Russia" as aggressor

guys,did you hear all that story about kolomoyski and poro?
ukraine is big mafia state...and all those billions pumped there by western countries.joke..
and some guys here justifying removing janukovitch cus he was corrupted oligarch..lol

You will find that Yanukovych was a lot more than "just" corrupted. This has been mentioned multiple times in this thread. Furthermore, can you point out the posts in which someone here may have said that Yanukovych was an Oligarch?

You seem to be unaware of what an Oligarch is. Yanukovych certainly is not / was not an Oligarch so I would find very interesting if you could point out the posts in which it was said that Yanukoviych was "a corrupted Oligarch".