Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

"The pro-Ukrainian leaders have organized three rallies since March 4, attracting 2,000 at the first and then 10,000 the next day. But their "harshest" was on March 14, when pro-Russian agitators attacked armed with clubs, baseball bats and knives. The pro-Ukrainian killed was a final-year history student, called Dima. Both women are in tears when recalling his death-he was stabbed and died in the ambulance. "His mother hadn't wanted him to go to the rally but he answered, 'I wouldn't be the son you raised, if I didn't go,'" says Kate.

She says: "All our movement is about is Donetsk staying in Ukraine. Many in the group don't even agree with Ukraine becoming closer to Europe at the expense of Russia. We want to be good neighbors with both. But I don't want to live in Putin's Russia."

And here's how Nazi gangs are helping the citizens of Ukraine to exercise their right to peaceful assembly and demonstration:

youtube.com/watch?v=xrijPO5xRPw

Fun starts at 2:24 .

These are the guys who brought to power this bankster:

showing true colors:

"After the Russian anschluss in Crimea last week, people around the world are asking themselves uneasily: How far will Moscow go? What does Russian President Vladimir Putin really want? The answer can be found in the words of his supporters.

Consider this widely shared Facebook post by a Moscow yuppie named Artem Nekrasov: "If Putin manages to annex Crimea and the southeast of Ukraine peacefully I personally forgive him everything: wild corruption, the lawlessness of officials, lack of any prospects in the economy, disorder in education and journalism and even the common stupefaction of the people...." The post is popular because, as polls show, it reflects the common mood in Russia. Putin's approval rating is 75 percent since he announced the annexation of Crimea."

thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/23/putin-s-dream-of-empire-doesn-t-stop-at-crimea-or-even-ukraine.html

So, Russians appear to be possessed by their desire to pull together all the lands held by the Russian Empire a hundred years ago. Even to the most simple-minded of Putin's supporters, this has come to seem a spiritual mission, though few could explain it convincingly before an audience. Popular Russian media suggest two ways to conceive of this cause, one based on "Spiritual Ties" among Russians, the other as resistance to the "Venal Perverted West." Constant propaganda impresses on the minds of average Russians that they are exceptional because of where they were born and the language they speak, but apart from that does little to elucidate the riddle of this exceptionalism. Instead they fall back on the "Mysterious Russian Soul," which means "something perfect that nobody can explain," and those who would dare to try intepreting it are playing the game of the "Venal Perverted West."

Those 'pro-Russian agitators' were rounded up by organised crime bosses.


What would have happened to anybody who drove round Belgrade waving Albanian flags the week after Kosovo was finally allowed to respond to the ethnic cleansing Serbs had tried by splitting from Serbia? I guess we'll never know. But we can a very good idea by looking at the way your Serbian heroes treat the LGBT protestors who dare to exercise their right to peaceful assembly and demonstration in Belgrade.

"Anarchy" Returns To Ukraine As Ultra-Nationalist Leader Killed By Police"

zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/anarchy-returns-ukraine-ultra-nationalist-leader-killed-police

is it a pattern emerge when NATO destabilize country the looting and violence commits. as I say with a month rest of Ukraine will ask Russians for help against UPA and their oligarch handlers.

--- (facepalm) RT moron alert...

now to the normal coverage:

"Brutal, defiant "Bilyi" was a dream come true for Kremlin propagandists, a nightmare for Ukrainian moderates. Now, just as he predicted on YouTube, he's dead.

By all accounts, Bilyi was a badass. As a leader in the ultranationalist Ukrainian group known as the Right Sector, the burly bullet-headed Sashko Muzychko, whose nickname Bilyi means "white," was just the sort of character in Kiev that Moscow loves to hate. The crazier they are, the more the Kremlin propaganda machine can paint them as crypto-Nazis, sowing fear and legitimizing Russian President Vladimir Putin's aggressions, whether seizing Crimea or threatening an outright invasion."

No, no such pattern is emerging; neither is any likely to, given that NATO has not been, is not and will not be in the business of destabilising countries. Perhaps you'd be more likely to understand what this part of the world was like if you had ever set foot outside of the USA. Although given the hatred that you have for much of the USA, one does wonder why you simply do not go and live in Russia.

Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria. you need more examples?

flaglesspole you need to change your name to brainlesspole

Libya: the civil war was well underway before the UN resolution was passed which NATO and non-NATO member states enforced.
Iraq: never a NATO operation, only 10% of NATO member states took part.
Afghanistan: civil war had been underway for years before the UN resolution was passed which set up the International Security Assistance Force which NATO later led.

Syria: never has been any NATO involvement there.


More? You haven't given any yet, how can you give more when you can't give any.

yes after U.S. paid and support al Qaeda in Libya just like they did in Syria a carbon copy and NATO bomb the hell out of Libya no NATO nation did.

Harry does lying come natural to you or you just a scum that can not tell truth? anyway I am done with you idiots and liars on this forum you can manufacture your own reality base on your stupid lies.

Yawn. Such a pity that reality doesn't fit what you want it to be marek. But seriously, if you hate the USA and NATO so much, and the whining you do about both certainly suggests that you do, why don't you move to Russia and join the Red Army? It's not like the USA is going to miss you.


Got to love how marek can't actually point to even a single lie I have told here. But instead when he knows that he's lost the debate he turns to all he can do: throw around the insults that he can't use in the real world because he knows from experience what happens when he tries to insult people in the real world.

Anyway, here's some nice info about how Russia protects Russians by murdering them and by threatening women and children:

"MOSCOW - Russia's Ministry of Culture recently called leading artists and intellectuals to suggest that they endorse a petition hailing President Vladimir V. Putin's annexation of Crimea, setting off impassioned accusations from the literati that the Kremlin was resurrecting repugnant Soviet methods.

Boldface names immediately signed: Valery Gergiev, the director of the Mariinsky Theater in St. Petersburg and the principal conductor of the London Symphony Orchestra; the pianist Denis Matsuev; and Vladimir Urin, the director general of the Bolshoi Theater in Moscow.

Afghanistan was a NATO operation, it was invoked after the US was attacked.

Perfectly legitamaly. Afghanistan declared war against NATO?

No it was was not. The initial operation was 100% US, then the UN passed the resolution for the ISAF and then a couple of years after that NATO assumed command responsibility for the ISAF.

People banging on about Russia being justified to do what it did because of what NATO supposedly did where-ever really do need to stop parotting Kremlin lies.

Come on Harry, you're not going to defend Blair and Bush invading Iraq and Afghanistan are you?
What was all that about? WMDs? I don't think so.
Robin Cook was a half decent parliamentarian. Shame 'they' had to silence him like that... (and that Dr Kelly guy...)

What's happening in Ukraine is going to happen across Europe. The EU's austerity measures are exacerbating high levels of unemployment, particalurly in countires like Greece and Spain. Have you seen the footage of Occupy Athens or Madrid? There'll be a huge sh*tstorm in Europe soon, and the whole thing will come crashing down.

Look at these guys kick this pig about...

youtube.com/watch?v=huJMrnxYUpw

Of course not. What I am going to do is say that neither of those were NATO operations (except in Afghanistan when years later the UN asked NATO to take over command of the ISAF).


No chance.


I have zero sympathy for the kind of scum who kick people who are on the floor, as far as I'm concerned they can go starve to death in the gutter.

So you'd have left Iraq alone to drop poison gas on Kurdish towns?


Indeed. Though standards of living may change fast.

Perhaps slightly off topic but sill very funny:

"So it's not surprising to see Russia's president-who has dominated the world stage thanks to a bloodless takeover of Crimea-stress the importance of physical fitness to his 143 million-plus population. It's all part of his latest initiative to revive a Stalin-era conditioning program appropriately titled "Ready for Labor and Defense." Funding for the project is courtesy of all the revenue generated from the recent Sochi Olympics Games, estimated to be in the billions."

"Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on an any agreements you signed, with which you are trying to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play."

- Otto von Bismarck

Seriously? Are you referring to the police officer as "scum" or the civilian on the floor that he was beating with his baton?

Harry, watch the video. This is the type of 'scum' that are employed as 'police officers' in the UK. Watch how they kill an innocent unarmed civilian in a totally unprovoked attack. I'm sure you'll agree that this kind of police officer is indeed scum.

youtube.com/watch?v=huJMrnxYUpw

Now, as for people starving in the gutter and protests, are you even aware of the unemployment situation in the EU?

Violence has broken out at the end of an anti-austerity protest attended by tens of thousands of people in the Spanish capital Madrid.
Dozens of youths threw projectiles at police, who responded by charging at them.
Demonstrators were protesting over issues including unemployment, poverty and official corruption.
They want the government not to pay its international debts and do more to improve health and education.
The BBC's Guy Hedgecoe in Madrid says protesters travelled from all corners of Spain, many of them making the journey on foot, in order to voice their anger.

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26703528

Well, it the Spanish aren't very happy with unemployment over 27%. (youth unemployment well over 50% btw). Wonder how Greece is doing...

Greece jobless rate hits new record of 28%

The jobless rate in Greece reached a record high of 28% in November, according to newly released government figures.
The rate increased from 27.7% in the previous month. For those under the age of 25, unemployment hit 61.4%.
Harsh austerity measures have led the Greek economy to shrink by a quarter in four years.

Oh dear. It doesn't look good does it?

What's the solution Harry?


Harry the humanitarian... nice one buddy...

I think the only thing Ukraine can do now is to split into two separate countries. It's time to give the whole country a vote, in a similar fashion that the British gave the Irish, and let each region decide their fate. In the long run, it makes the most sense.

In some ways it's better to that now than let it fester for years. The big problem is not just that Putin wants the lot, it's that all the industrial regions would be likely to go to Russia and the poorest bits to Ukraine.

I think so.


It's about people Jon; not money! ;)

I'm not sure Mr Putin cares much about the people. And those left in a rump agricultural state would have something to say about it as well.

Ukraine will remain the united country as it was, no matter how hard Putin and his clique tries to persuade the West. Russia sends its agents to the eastern regions of Ukraine in order to destabilize the situation, especially now when we just removed the dictator. Unfortunately for Russians, the largest meetings that happen today in Donetsk and Lugansk range in a few hundred people, part of whom are the Russians from Russia itself. Not going to happen, Putler. Ukraine is united and it moves slowly, but surely towards the integration into the European community.


What about Poland? As far as I know the country is doing very well. As to Spain and Greece, well, there is unemployment everywhere. Tighten up the belts and move on. This is what Ukraine is doing now. Time to wipe up snots and move forward. Manna is not going to fall from the sky, will it?


They should stand before the court and answer for their behavior. So, what is your point?

great read, does explain why nowdays so many Russia's neighbours want to distance themselves from Russia, why so many, like Poland, have fought and abhorred its influence for centuries on end.

Born In The USSR

Fantastic read those Russians sure are subhuman I love those periodicals.

I wouldn't go so far as to call them that. The sick man of Europe is a fair analogy.

I really love nut job publications they can really reduce everything to goodies and baddies It's great all the thinking is done for you.

In your face Lavrov - fantastic retort to Russia's demands on Unkrainian federalization by Ukraine's Foreign Ministry.

Merged: Russian violence and brutality in the Crimea. Is Poland well protected from these animals?

Here is a report that appeared on the Ukrainian TV about brutality against the activists who were kidnapped and abused by the Russian soldiers and by the so-called self-defense groups. The report is in Ukrainian and partially in Russian, but below is the translation (done by Stan372) of what they are saying:

youtube.com/embed/9QHtRWcJyGk


forums.sherdog.com/forums/showthread.php?p=93431867

The guy on the video, all beaten up, shows his cut ear 0:56-0:59, the other one with shots legs...