Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

How can i be wrong, when my question was ansered with another question?

My question was very clear. What business does Russia have interfering with what Poland decides for it's own territory?

The Cuban crisis and interference of the U.S. is irrelevant to my question.


Johnny, so far you have contributed nothing but your wild imagination and consiperacy theories to this thread. You should be the last one judging if someone is "right"or "wrong". That said, it is not about being "right""or "wrong" it is about providing either backup to your claims or logical contributions. You have lacked both in this entire thread.

However, what I find amazing is that two weeks ago you started a thread about whether the admin is a Polish native or not. You even called for a change of ownership of this forum because "you came here to find answers about Poland that would help you to plan your trip to Poland".

And here we are.........once again...... you are posting irrelevant nonsense in the Ukrainian thread instead of concentrating on asking your specific questions regarding Poland. I mean, after all, this is the reason why you are here, no? Or was your big thread about the admin being Polish just another attempt to troll this forum because you had nothing better to do?


Once again, it does not answer my very specific question. You are trying to justify Russia's involvement because some 50 years ago, the U.S. did something similar.

By the way, did something similar during the time of cold war. Even if there was any comparison, the comparison would be more than ridiculous seeing the different circumstances during the cold war.

But ok, I see that there is no talking to you so enjoy :)

Velund, you are debating things that we have no clue of.
All we are doing is surmising here.
I question that Russia would attack any part of Europe with nuke's that didn't possess them.
If the time comes where any nuclear nation starts popping them off you can bet they will be scrambling for the
rath of the hell that they themselves will recieve in retribution for being stupid enough to launch one.
"If" it ever comes down to a nuclear war it will be over in days.
And there are other weapons out there that are much more effective in killing people then the nukes are that leave
no nuclear waste behind.
Ever hear of a nutron or the e.m.p.'s ?
That is what will most likely be used first to shut down a country.
All it would take is one E.M.P. to go off over Poland and it would shut the whole country down.
Now why would someone start a nuclear war when a weapon like that could be used first.
The other one, the Nutron simply sucks the air out of the atmosphere so EVERYTHING dies.
Again, why use nuclear when those are available ?
See my point here.
Nuke's are for instilling fear because any nuclear country that would be stupid enough to use a nuke would be turned
into glass by NATO.
So let's just put this one to rest as I firstly stated, "We are only surmizing with what if's here."
I pray to my God that none of those weapons will ever be used on this earth we share.

LOL

Boy... Surely, you need to decrease your daily dose of sf serials and computer games. You are starting to mix reality with someone else's fiction. ;)

And a few words for those, who does not lost in Andromeda worlds. ;)

There is some balance of forces that assure full scale retailation to any nation that will use nuclear weapons first. While threats is balanced, there is almost no risk of war with any country ruled with reasonable people, because there will be no winners in a such war.

Anything that break that balance increases risk, because nation that got a chance to attack and avoid retaliation may try to use that chance while it is not too late.

And another analogy - often it is said that it is hard to kill very first time. Second time it is much easier. There is at least one nation that already used nuclear weapons in a war....

No actually two if you count Ukraine.

Care to elaborate as to when Ukraine has ever used nuclear weapons in a conflict it's military was involved in?

Was it perhaps when Ukrainian peacekeepers were deployed in former Yugoslavia? Or perhaps on a mission in Africa or in the middle East? Perhaps it was "UKRPOLBAT" , the Ukrainian - Polish battalion that used nuclear weapons on their peacekeeping mission in Kosovo?

Perhaps....................

...... 'Course, our Last- Best Resort....is to get Rx 'Scripts for Valium / 'Ludes' / Zolof, ... WHATEVER is on the Market.... AND JUST BLAST OFF FOR THE "Who-Gives-AFukc- World" ... (crowded as-it-is...!)

In other words you have nothing?

You are just trolling this forum again and again because you have nothing better to do? There is no other way that would your explain your post 3408.

Unable to produce any evidence or backup to your claims you resort to posts as your last glorious post. Well done Johnny. Welcome back and keep trolling!

The entire desperate ruski pr troll machine has nothing.

"that would your explain your" ?????? You studder too don't you.
I think I know what you are trying to say though so I will try and answer you.
Absolutely........it was explained very clearly in post #3395 prior 3408.
Let me quote it AGAIN for you.


That's why I said, "Perhaps", to avoid your arguement that would follow.
And welcome back to you also.....after last week.......whew !

You have explained your fantasies, nothing more.

The same which Poland had regarding the rebels in Kyev in the period November 2013- February 2014. Let's remember: the leader of the 2nd party in Poland gave speech several times in front of people wanting to overthrow the legal government. But this person did the same in 2004, and also his brother (RIP) was involved in the affairs of Russia in Czeczenia.



I totally agree. I think the discussion should be focused on contemporary affairs without looking back too far. And I see many examples when other states are getting seriously involved in the internal affairs of Russia. Let's just mention the boycott organized regarding the Olympic games in Sochi, on the ground of "homophobic law" introduced in Russia. Well, the "homophobic law" allowed... the lesbians Tatu to take part in the Opening ceremony. Wasn't it an involvement in the international affairs of a country, without any justification???

So, if 1962 is already "too far", why we should remember something that happened much earlier? Say Auschwitz, Hiroshima, Katyn, GULAG, turkish genocide of Armenians, genocide of american natives, all divisions of Poland?

Putin is starting to soften.
Russia has key interests in common with the United States and needs to work with it on a common agenda, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday in a television interview.

In his comments to the state-run Rossiya channel, Putin appeared to soften his anti-American rhetoric after being highly critical. Relations between Moscow and Washington and other Western powers have soured over the conflict in Russia's neighbor Ukraine, sinking to an all-time low.

"We have disagreements on several issues on the international agenda. But at the same time there is something that unites us, that forces us to work together," Putin said.

"I mean general efforts directed at making the world economy more democratic, measured and balanced, so that the world order is more democratic. We have a common agenda."

Putin has in the past fiercely attacked the United States and the West in general, blaming them for the Ukraine crisis, which Russia says was the result of a Western-backed "coup" against Ukraine's former leader Viktor Yanukovich.

Russia is starting to get hungry so the sanctions have been worth their time.

Holy sh*t... Come to Moscow and visit any supermarket. You risk to die from hunger if the only food you can eat is a spanish jamon, or something similar.


A couple of years more, and Russia will be finally lost as a market for products of polish farmers.

And Russia doesn't get involved in the internal affairs of other countries?? Not just of course by invading them like Ukraine or Georgia, having sleeper agents in Washington or poisoning people in London restaurants...


They aren't lesbians. All that kissing was just part of their stage act and aimed very much at a male audience. Russia has always been backward in human rights and surprisingly prudish about the way people live their lives.

Something our resident troll Johnny would not know too much about. Talking nonsense from distance is his game.

I was in Russia in September, when the sanctions were in place for almost 5 months. Not a sign of Russian desperation. I saw full supermarkets etc.

Effectively, the sanctions have hit some countries harder than they would have hit Russia, Poland for example. One reason why Germany kept amazingly quiet when the sanctions were discussed. There are over 3000 small / medium sized businesses that solely depend on the Russian market. The Swiss have rejected the sanctions from the beginning, knowing very well that Russians who can, love to invest their wealth in Swiss products and real estate,

If Putin "softens" it is only because the west is slowly coming to terms with the fact that Crimea is now Russian and that Donbass will never be under Ukrainian control again. He has achieved his goals. No need to play tough anymore.

Oh, so it's alright for you to do it but not anyone else. lol
I don't have to try and discredit you, You discredit yourself.


Be careful jolly or you may get ANOTHER A warning.
We don't want to have to listen to you rant again all week with another one of your childish temper tantrum's with the Admisnistrator and mods. because they ignore your immature whining and crying of not guilty of abusing others.

Yes I have read how it takes 60% of your income to buy groceries in Russia.
No wonder the stores shelves are full.
How much does a nice choice grade A t-bone steak cost in Russia or a nice big lobster tail or loaf of wheat bread or a kilo of rice or a liter of cow's milk ?

I am curious to know. (Not that I personally eat those foods however)


Oh sure there is.
America and Russia are both making tons of money selling weapons to other countries to protect themselves
from America and Russia.
J.F.K. quote: "The only thing to fear is fear itself."

F.D.R. sorry:)

Yes, you are correct.
I typo'd it even though I knew it was Franklin.
Thanks for being so observant and the correction.

WARSAW, Poland (AP) - Polish authorities said Friday they will not allow a nationalistic Russian motorcycle group loyal to President Vladimir Putin to enter Poland, but insisted the move is not political and was made in part because Polish authorities would not be able to guarantee their security.

news.yahoo.com/poland-not-allow-russian-bikers-enter-country-135620115.html

I am wondering if they would also take the route the red Army took in 1939 when they invaded Poland.

In general, a smart move by the Poles. I still wonder why they allowed the march of the Russian supporters through Warsaw during Euro 2012. No fans of other countries felt the need to have a march to make the point that they are there. Of course, after the Russians blamed everyone but themselves for the violence.

Why not allow bikers to travel wherever they want? in my country bikers from all over the world traveling free. Nobody, media, government, absolutely nobody care what motivates different groups of bikers.

That's because your country is so politically unimportant that you do not have to worry about such things.

No, its not about political importance of the country, you know it very well. Its about basic rights. This kind of rapports in mass media >>>


>>> looks to me like a call to which-hunt, not only on Russian bikers but anything that differ. This approach isn`t good for people. For any people.

The last time the Russians marched through a Polish city, it ended in violence, It was during Euro 2012. The Polish authorities have every reason to be alarmed and worried for the safety of those bikers.

You should thank the Polish authorities for being so concerned over the well being of your Russian friends.

Then there is police escort. But, obviously, politicians didn`t want those bikers in Poland, for all sorts of reasons.


i only see how rift between two Slavic countries, Poland and Russia, increasing, day by day. That i don`t like.

The police escort didn't help, did it? They Polish were so determined to get to the Russians they managed to do it. Other way around too, The Russians got to their Polish counterparts. In fact, the Poles even forgot about the German - Polish rivalry . All Polish Ultras and Hooligans concentrated on getting at the Russians.


Of course you don't like it. But you have to wake up and live in the real world. Poland does not like Russia, nor does it like Serbia, Your daily masturbation over a self drawn map of "Slavia" does not mean that "Slavia" is reality. It is your fantasy only, as much as you may dislike it.

i am Slavic and all that is very sad to me.

You are Serbian and you realize that none of your neighbours wants to play with you. You are sad? Awwwwwww, shouldn't have gone on a rampage in Bosnia and Kosovo to rape and kill innocent people. Perhaps if your kind wouldn't have done that, maybe, just maybe, the rest of Eastern Europe would like to play with you. But for now, not your neighbours nor Russia wants anything to do with you despite the fact that you cry out for Russia's help.

JollyRomek, i thought that we talk but i see now that you only provoke and speak off topic things. Anyway, i won`t go into anti-Serbian propaganda distributed by certain financial circles. Its daily politics for people like you.

Just let me underline, Poles and Russians needs to be tolerant.