Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

There is a comment on that page, which summarizes the event:
1.) Just because you see an ambulance doesn't mean there are doctors and patients inside!!!
2.) The Russian and pro-Russian terrorists have been stealing ambulances, including most likely this one;
3.)The camera purposely doesn't show who is shooting. One could clearly hear the sounds of shots coming from the left, while the Ukrainian soldiers are on the right (again, assuming these are Ukrainian soldiers and the city is Mariupol). Russian TV was recently showing footage from Chechnia war, while saying these are the events from Ukraine.

4.) The whole anti-terrorist operation lasts for so long now, because the terrorists hide behind the people and the Ukrainian soldiers didn't not and won't ever shoot civilians.

The terrorists are now stealing ambulances for weapon transportation. Here is one of many articles:
unian.ua/politics/922777-timchuk-v-zoni-ato-teroristi-na-mashinah-shvidkoji-dopomogi-perevozyat-boepripasi.html

I don't know, I wasn't there.
But I don't think this is in Chechnya, Ukrainian flag is clearly shown.


I don't agree with armed conflict, but the reason it last's so long is because of local support.

Chechens have no business here, they came claiming they are helping the cause but now it looks like they are trying to take it over.

The moment you see word "terrorist" used, you can safely assume you're not reading the news, but a dramatic propaganda.
Same goes for "freedom fighter".

I didn't say it was Chechnya. I mentioned Russian TV showing Chechen war footage and claiming that this is Ukraine. Not this particular event.


There is some local support, I don't deny it. People are led into believing that the new government are their enemies, although the new government after it has replaced Yanukovych, started the work on the decentralization of the power and giving it to the locals, something the Yanukovych regime completely usurped and formed a dictatorship. The saddest thing is that Donetsk has suffered the most from that dictatorship: the region was heavily criminalized (let me remind you that Yanukovych before becoming a president was twice in prison: first time for stealing hats on the streets and second - for RAPE!!!), police and special units corrupted to the brim (now they are giving up weapons to the terrorists just like that and don't protect the citizens whatever these citizen's political orientation might be), people basically turned into zombies through the onslaught of Russian propaganda. No need to say that there is propaganda in the West or elsewhere. There is. But we have to fight it, not explain and justify propaganda by the propaganda from somewhere else. It is like justifying violence by showing that there is violence elsewhere. Ukraine has its laws and if there was a will of some people to split off - let's do it - there is a national referendum. No need to fight, no need for the Russian to cross border on the armored vehicles loaded with weapons and terrorists, no need for Russia to keep its troops on the border, no need to fill TV with so much ridiculous lies etc.


Glad that you see it.

did you hear this last news about killing 15 wounded rebels in Donetsk?man this is getting gruesome.them 15 guys were being transported in 2 Kamaz lorries from airport battle to hospital.

Naziguard shoot drivers dead then blow up lorries in point bland with RPG.
thats sick

The moment you see word "rapist" used, you can safely assume you're not reading the news, but a dramatic propaganda. You are very intelligent....

The moment you see "Nathan" nickname, you can safely assume you'll see some BS.

I should have specified, for the feeble-minded and drama inclined, that we're talking about fighting in Ukraine here.

Russia must have been hit hard by those sanctions,am really surprised Russia haven't recognized DPR. looks like either Putin is happy with Crimea and wants to repair international reputation,or something else.they even pulled out troops from Ukraine border.

but someone has to stop Nazi Junta from murdering civilians.i watched reports and images.this is getting horrid.they shelled some nursery with children got terrific injuries.

what makes me sick,people like Harry and Nathan and hundreds other i read posts even on onet and WP forums,are cheering to this slaughter.saying this is their land and stuff like this.

i guess banderist roots.looks like **** doesnt change

anyone knows anything about this "new"development?
news.yahoo.com/why-did-a-energy-firm-prospecting-for-gas-in-ukraine-hire-joe-biden-s-son-195339212.html

some say that company will dominate Ukrainian gass supply from Norwey and other countries.and in their interest is that Russia stop supplying Ukraine with gas,,amd ,ake Ukraine dependent from their supply.some big fish involved here including Kwasniewski,Kerry,Biden

Interesting. While hulligans are feeling patriotic, the movers and shakers are lining up to rake in the profits, regardless of which side you're on.

BTW, Polish president sits on the Burisma's board as well.

dw.de/who-are-hunter-bidens-ukrainian-bosses/a-17642254

Amazing.how they set up and train majdan nazi thugs with CIA money,Nulland put puppets in their government,now, alienating Russia by killing Russians and refusing to pay for gas,to make sure Russia rise prices or cut them off.in mean time seting up company in Cyprus who will dominate Gas supply for Ukraine,while pseudo patriotic Ukrainian idiots from Canada and Kiev are cheering slaughtering civilians.they have their patriotic war,while vampires suck their economy and enslave them

this USA funding radicals around the world and causing chaos while moving to secure resources is happening over and over again.

I know. That's why I said that you are very intelligent.

i bet my hand ,you don't hate commies decision to hand Crimea over to Ukraine despite the facts there was no Ukrainians living there and Crimea have never been Ukrainian territory before.

and since that moment Crimea is Ukrainian true land,and everyone who disagrees, is a terrorist and should go fcuk off back to Russia.
Bandera would be proud of you boy

if anyone is looking for informative unbiased news site,i found this.very interesting:

news.vice.com/topic/ukraine/page/1

check this out,some images there are graphic which i don't like but very informative ,some personal stories and so on.

put it to a good use instead of taking a chance of losing it.

but answer me this question:
was decision to hand over Crimea to Ukraine ssr ,made by commies -good or bad?
was it just or not?

Gregy, you can't bet your hand about anything: you already lost both of them, when you bet them earlier in this thread.

see Harry,,he run away like chicken from single question.
he says ppl in Crimea and east Ukraine are communists because their leader (lol) Putin was KGB,therefore those people are Bolsheviks and communists responsible for Stalinist crimes(lol) and Katyn massacres.and they should go back to Russia. because Crimea is true Ukrainian land ( transferred to UKR by communist decision ..lol) ,and who oppose is terrorists.but he hates commies

fok.
another great patriot Nathan,cheering from kids being bombed.
hes great Ukrainian patriot,he doesn't care that gas in Ukraine will be 2 times more expensive for people who earn 50 bucks a month,why should he?or that entire east region heavy industry gonna collapse due to heavily dependent on Russia export.

he got apartment in Toronto,he doesn't give a monkey about it.Great true Ukrainian Patriot Nathan only cares and cheers how many ruskies are murdered.seems like Ukrainian patriotism for him is being measured by number of polish/russian children murdered

but then again..Toronto Canada,are we surprised?
we all know what kind of Ukrainian diaspora settled there

theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/26/ukraine-workers-fear-future-heavily-industrialised-east

" he says ppl in Crimea and east Ukraine are communists because their leader (lol) Putin was KGB,"
Do I really say that gregy? Well then you'll have no trouble quoting from posts in which I say that. So come on then gregy, quote those posts. Or have you very simply been caught lying yet again?

i never said it was you Harry the liar,i was reffering to this 4eigner guy
see?i heard dozen of this kinda comments blaming east ukra ppl for commies crimes from some of them guys..sick of it

city center of Lugansk bombed with barrage weaponary..many civilians dead..as usual.."polish" media says civilians blew themselves.someone should put those scumbags in Kiev against the wall..

hows possible major media blatantly lie and nobody gives a monkey?is all polish media in kolomyjskis hands?shocking atrocities being whitewash

The bomb was dropped in the sky, Probably by Ukrainian air force

Has it ever occurred to you, gregy, that Polish media is telling the truth and Russian media is lying?

not confirmed yet but there are images of remains of this bomb and it looks like it was cluster bomb...unbelievable
this munition is banned use even in rural area,,if truth those scum used it in city center..
minister of health of Lugansk republic died

As usual, you're simply lying, gregy: cluster bombs are most certainly not banned, not here, not in Ukraine, not in your beloved mother Russia. Please try to tell the truth here, thanks.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_munition

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions
you are lier,,,
let me ask you..are you being paid for what you doing here?everything you write is filth Harry...u make me puke

Cluster bombs are horrible and should be banned, but they're not in Poland, Russia or Ukraine according to the sources you provide gregy. In any case, we don't know what happened in your video because Russian TV is as reliable as an ashtray on a motorbike. If you feel that strongly about it, why not go and fight. It's easy to enter eastern Ukraine from Russia; lots of fighters are doing it.

NOT CONFIRMED IT WAS CLUSTER OR BARRAGE WEAPONRY...i don't fight,i wouldn't be able to kill nothing bigger than mosquito,never mind human.

i used several sites and it looks cluster according to ppl who knows stuff..here is image..lol definitely not explosion inside building.
what russian tv are you talking about?
you saying because i don't support massacring civilians by nazi junta am watching russian tv?for me its obvious who are criminal terrorist here.

sure they didn't signed convention,i didn't know that,,i though Ukraine signed convention,,but this is horrible crime useing it in city center and they now say separatist blew themselves like the ones in Odessa.awfull

and they now meeting world leaders in Poland ,calling it "freedom day" while dropping cluster bombs.

here i dunno if this will work,cus is gif:
nah..its not allowed..here gif from that strike(not grafic) at the bottom.post 41760
militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236054-Ukraine-discussion-thread-Or-the-original-Butthurt-thread/page2784

kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/rozmaznin-militants-organize-explosion-in-luhansk-regional-admin-building-350381.html

"Actin g chief of the Main Department for Personnel Policy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Oleksandr Rozmaznin said that explosion at the building of Luhansk Regional State Administration on Monday was caused by the bombarding by the unmanned aerial vehicle from the building of the regional office of Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), which is used by the militants"

i mean...speechless..are those people in Kiev Idiots???!!!

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Makes no sense, so Kiev post are trying to say the separatist's drone attacked themselves?
Plane is seen dropping bombs, a rather big plane high up in the sky. Rebels don't have such equipment. and craters seen in the ground from were the bombs dropped

7 dead many injured it appears

here is video..su jet dropping unguided fragmentation missiles
youtube.com/watch?v=x3wBXkR0rJ0

i dunno what Kiev is trying to achieve by this hilarious lies..first they said,separatist fired rpg that hit air conditioner in building..lol

those guys are crazy..why don't they want to admit,even saying it was accident or whatever but chose utter BS instead,is beyond me?

i don't want to post videos here cus they are very graphic,but this is horrible what they done.

second,,what was objective to achieve by dropping this bomb?what they are trying to achieve?was that some message or they were trying to punish citizens of Lugansk for an earlier border guard attack made by separatist..

i just don't get it
and you cant find nothing in western media,barely few words and blaming separatist for blowing half of street with rpg...all brushing under carpet

twitter.com/EuromaidanPR

what a scum maidan

yes, dropping a bomb like that on no clear military target is an act of terrorism

well at least I would be scared if that dropped next to me

Unless, of course they haven't bothered to look at the information that that link provides. Or that they did have a look and are unable to locate Ukraine on a map.

So which is it with you: did you not bother to look at the information that that the link you gave provides or are you unable to locate Ukraine on a map of the world?

I suppose that both of those options can provide us with valuable information as to why you express here the opinions about events in Ukraine which you express here: either you are incapable of reading texts and correctly understanding what they are trying to tell you, or you are so utterly ignorant about this part of the world that you can't locate Ukraine on a map and thus you hold the views which you hold.

Either way, it'd be really good if you could stop both telling lies and hurling insults. Thanks in advance.