Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Bingo! That's what I'm trying to do!
My concern is, which is the reason I got on your case, that some of the English speaking Poles that might be reading these forums do not want to start a confrontation, or be ceaselessly stalked for "evidence".

If you would understand what I replied too, the FP stated the killing at Odessa by right sector and other radicals is Russian propaganda. How does Russia taking Crimea without killing anyone justify the killing at Odessa from people that had nothing to do with that.

youtube.com/watch?v=aKD1QIfjUF8

Transcription of questions
1. How did you get captured?

- A fight broke out , our retreat began and I was left alone in the BMP. Militiamen in fact saved me, because our started to shoot and at my position as well.

2 . What was your objective?

- To kill separatists

3 . Were you sent in Lugansk?

- No, so far we were only in the north region

4 . Who shot at civilians?

- Not me, it's mortar battery

5 . Have you been ordered to shoot at civilians?

- Yes, by the chief of HQ, but personally I did not shoot.

6. What will you do next?

- If released, then I will come home and tell that there are no separatists here. Here live simple people, children, women, teenagers, they just protect their homes, their land. And our commanders are lying to us, they say that they are separatists, alcoholics and drug addicts.

And what problem do you have with them being deployed as the assisting force to the army? Do you understand that RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE? Or you live in some purple world of fantasy? As to the red-black flag, it was used in Ukraine since the time of the Ukrainian Cossacks and was always considered a flag of a revolution, of revolt against the injustice and suppression. Disgraceful and disrespectful are those who invade foreign territory on the invented pretexts, going against all the international laws and agreements. As well as those who support these actions.

Yes, I know about Crimea


yes, and whats wrong with the Ukrainian flag again? if you understand Right sector/Svoboda you would know why they choose to use this flag. Ill give you a hint, it has something to do with one of your so called national hero's, thankfully Viktor Yanukovych took that title away from that terrorist. Funny now Ukraine is fighting a Cossack rebellion.


there's at least some accountability for the army. It makes them no better then who they proclaim to fight.


We are talking about the USA here or something? ;)

no, Nathan is talking about your friends and liberators, the Soviet scumbags

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes#Soviet_Union

No, he was not talking about about the soviet union, which Ukraine was a part of.
But thanks for constantly posting things Russia did when we are talking about a revolt of the people of Donbass. a word comes to mind...Russophobia.

thank you for your insight. Read his post again.


Iraq comes to mind....Weapons of mass destruction anyone?

No need. 4 eigner understood me correctly.


You are obviously a troll. You have already supported the idea of pushing Poland under the Russian protectorate, under the claim that Poland suffered economical, political and cultural losses while in the EU, which is an outright lie. As to the revolt of the "people of Donbass": just people won't attack unprovoked convoys of Ukrainian army, just people won't shoot down helicopters or use special forces modern weaponry, which Putin says anyone can buy in a hardware store on the corner of the street, just people won't have citizenship of Russian Federation as testifies the illegal government of Donbass itself, etc. I am not a Russophobe, although I admit I don't give a fcuk about them as a nation, because they don't interest me at the very least. I just want them to get the fcuk out of my country and go live the way they want on their own territory. I don't want to see Russian corpses on Ukrainian land. If you are of Russian decent Ukrainian or a Russian visitor or permanent resident with Russian citizenship living in Ukraine - welcome! But when you break through the border on the military vehicles with heavy weapons and start to terrorize the Ukrainian population - then you have to be eliminated. Is this russophobia? No.


Jee. It is a typical approach of trolls. Whenever Russia's international violations are discussed, the trolls immediately remind the US. Let me tell you something, which I have mentioned before: I personally was against the invasion of Iraq by the US and criticized them for it. They violated the international law on the invented pretext. Russia did similarly and invaded, occupied and then in addition annexed Ukraine's territory. Or your argument is that anyone can invade anyone else, because the US invaded Iraq, which as I said was completely wrong?

they want you western nationalist Ukrainians to fcuk out of their land.those ppl in eastern Ukraine are not some immigrants,they were born there and have right to defend themselves from nazi junta

and no,they are not alcoholics and drug addicts

Please. Russia did not have to stop at Crimea, so why they did so? not to mention if they are so bad they could of killed many people like the westerns do...but they didn't, massacre at Odessa was more violent then the invasion of Crimea. So who's the terrorist?

Take a look in the mirror to find your enemy, the east was left without a voice. Ukraine east or west, people should live in peace and not killed by artillery strikes, bombs and live in fear. people should not live under these BS oligarchs but they do, even chocolate king is an oligarch too, so what changed.

Still pushing that lie then, gregy? Well there is a surprise.


Yes, Ukraine had those, nuclear ones to be exact. In exchange for Ukraine giving up her nuclear weapons Russia promised to "respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine". And now Putin has p!ssed all over that promise. Which means that no nation will ever again give up her nuclear weapons and, hopefully, the world will remember that Russia will break international treaties any time it suits Russia.

There would be no need to mention the illegal invasions, ethnic cleansing and lies that the US and their lapdogs told if it were not for these accusations being thrown.

The record of the US and their lapdogs in their treatment of Latin American States for example is shocking. There were no sanctions placed on British cabinet ministers who facilitated the laundering of drug money and assisted in hiding terrorist funds. The funding arming and training of terrorists in Syria would normally lead to censure but hypocrisy triumphs and the terrorists are encouraged.

What exactly has Russia done that the US and it's allies have not?

For a start, in exchange for Ukraine giving up her nuclear weapons Russia promised to "respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine". Care to name any nations to which the USA or her allies extended such a guarantee and then p!ssed all over it? Or are you just going to keep on telling the same tired old lies that you have been littering this thread with?


Could you perhaps post your anti-British lies elsewhere? Thank you in advance.

Where do you see they stopped? Russia, partially because of the sanctions, partially because it knows it will eventually lose if it directly invades Ukraine, spreads terrorism into the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine. New type of warfare. But the civilized world sees it and knows what is going on. Russia failed in Dnipropetrovsk and Odesa, although the provoked by them conflict led to many unnecessary deaths. If you read the chronicle of the event in Odesa, you will see that 4 people from the March of Unity organized by the fans of Kharkiv and Odesa soccer teams (Metalist and Chornomorets were playing that day) as well as the residents of Odesa were killed by the armed thugs. After that the conflict escalated and ended with even more deaths, now on the other side. It is a tragedy, which Ukraine has never had in our 23 years of independence, until the terrorism began to be exported by Russia.


Not the one, of course, who invades another country, sends its militants in that country, supplied with weapons, provokes conflicts from Odesa-neighboring and controlled by Russia Transnistria, refuses to recognize the president elected by the people of the neighboring country, hides a group of criminals who escaped the justice in Ukraine, who stole billions and by whose orders people were executed on Maidan,..... Apparently, the Ukrainians are terrorists on their own land and the Russians are just peaceful bunnies, wishing the ungrateful all the best. Thank you for enlightening me.


Can you explain that and specify what is "east"?


Poroshenko is a rich man whom the Ukrainians voted for in the first run with 55% support, while second runner got c. 12%. It says something. As to what changed - - a lot of things - the main two: Ukrainian society and level of democracy within the country. A lot to change and root out ahead, but the first step was done. Many countries have helped along the way and I am very grateful to all. Special thanks to Polish people. Dzienkujemy!


You live in your own world. I hope you are doing fine.

I think he means the parts of Ukraine where the Kremlin's terrorists prevented the recent election from being held, thus denying the people there any electoral voice.

no phobia, whatsoever but you can call me a commie hater if that makes you feel better ;-)

Good, then you should have no problem leaving Russia's communist past behind instead of bringing it up every chance you get


Yes, that they had little say in this vote. And Maidan was a big F-U to them also.


Then tell your friends to stop glorifying people that did bad things.


Today I seen person with Donbass ribbon on, I smiled.
You know, many people in this rebellion are not the violent thugs you want people to believe here. There's the militia though, and yes there are also mercenaries. but same can be said with western Ukraine with their militia's and financing from western countries.

I see the Divide in conquer thing happening now, A tactic westerns use against our people all the time. If we go back 70ish years when Germany with terrorist Bandera manipulated your people to do bad things, some Ukrainians lost their lives to protect these innocent people from this injustice and these are the people that should he called hero's, Not UPA. It's a slap in the face to pole's and their families that still 70ish years pass and still there are statues to criminals that encouraged people to tortured people to death and mutilated there bodies.

People of Donbass Don't like UPA, in fact because you glorifying them so much they hate you for it and call you fascist. They also don't have this gravitation towards E.U . But no worries you will still insist it's what's best for them and enforce your view to get what you want and then act like every thing is normal.

I'm grand thanks

The fact that the US with its allies (usually European ex empires) have invaded sovereign states indulged in ethnic cleansing and so on is only relevant when these accusations are thrown. The imposition of sanctions on Russian and Ukrainian individuals smacks of hypocrisy when western ministers are doing the same in other places.

That is the real world we both live in.

As usual you are either parroting the Kremlin's lies or just lying yourself. There was lots of support for the Maidan protests in eastern Ukraine. Immediately after the fall of Yanukovych it was hard to find anybody who had a good word to say about him in his own home town, as this article from the time makes clear:


Full article here: digitaljournal.com/print/article/372921

This month supporters of Ukrainian unity have been being beaten up, tortured and murdered all across eastern Ukraine; this article is just one example:


theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/ukraine-mayor-in-second-largest-city-kharkiv-shot-live-updates


Good to hear that. Are you perhaps well enough to address any of the lies you have been polluting this place with?

Yes and there is video of the reverse situation too, but I am not going to blame one without blaming the other.

He's a politician after all, they make promises break them and cycle continues unfortunately. But interview's I have seen give me the impression that although Yanukovych is corrupt, so are the others. Let's see how things will go with chocolate king.

the thin report you posted on here post's a few view points, and not very pro Maiman as a whole either.

as for my lies? they are just your empty accusations you try to pull on me when you are lying and can't find anything to back it up.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/15/maidan-anti-maidan-ukraine-situation-nuance
I like the conclusion on this report, I must say it was rather good.


Define "lots"

We'll never know how much: because the terrorists you support prevented the election from being carried out in many places there, and because the terrorist state you support has invaded and occupied another region there.

So you mean you were making stuff up without any evidence? sounds a lot like a word you like to accuse people on here for.

absolutely not. They deserve criticism, because they obviously haven't learned any lesson from their 'communist past', as you say. Besides, their leader is an ex KGB member, so the question is, are we really talking about their past?

No Szalawa, no favors whatsoever, you're gonna be reminded on their past (and presence) as long as they continue acting like commie scumbags, they ...still... are.

We will never know exactly how much, because the terrorist you support and the terrorist state you support prevented the election from being carried out. But we can certainly see from the way that foreigners have to beat, torture and murder the Ukrainians (whether they are Russian speakers or Ukrainian speakers) who live there and from the home towns of some of the people murdered in the Maidan by the scum you supported that there is a lot of support for the current government of Ukraine in those places.

You are right, Szalawa, good article.

criticism?they are being bombed and murdered.and yet again..what those people in east Ukraine got to do with soviet communist crimes?why u keep banging those stupid arguments over and over.

is that the best u got to justify murdering civilians in east Ukraine?

"putin is former KGB so ppl in east Ukraine should go fcuk of my land"4eigner

because your leader is an ex KGB member and nothing has really changed in your politics, that's why. I know, you hate to be reminded on your 'glory days' as it doesn't exactly help your case. There's nothing you can do or say to defend the wrong doings of Putin & Co.

kyivpost.com/multimedia/photo/clashes-in-donetsk-345515.html

This is a map of Ukraine, showing in red where Poroshenko won electoral districs; in green - those won by Dobkin, presidential candidate, mayor of Kharkiv, who has strong pro-Russian tendencies; gray and white are region of Ukraine were voting have not taken part, because of the terrorist and occupational activities of Russia.

The following map shows the turnout percentage, where only those districts, which are currently controlled by the terrorists, which are located within Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts, have less than 40% turnout. Those districts of Donetsk and Lugansk that are not controlled by the terrorists have more than 40% turnout and this despite the terrorists' threats to blow people up if they come to vote:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2014

Terrorist is a word much abused.

If you threaten to murder people for voting in an election, you're a terrorist.