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Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it



gregy741
3 Jun 2014  #1081

conversations of ukranian mercenaries via radio,they talk over payments, say that Kolomoisky pays about 1000-800($?) per every killed separatist/ and wounded too (they deliver them to Kolomoisky "collectors" and change them for money)...etc

in Russian, rare also..seems they have 500$/ per day for this service in CTO.

vk.com/wall253217221_245

can someone with Russian language confirm this is what they are talking about?thanks

Harry
3 Jun 2014  #1082

conversations of ukranian mercenaries via radio

And in other 'news':
youtube.com/watch?v=RkHALuU61eI

gregy741
3 Jun 2014  #1083

And in other 'news':

google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1DSGL_enGB419GB419&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Kolomoisky%20bounty

you are liar Harry,,as usual..every thread you go pp saying same things about you..liar

Harry
3 Jun 2014  #1084

Here's more info about Kremlin fans claiming a still from a movie about Brest fortress is a shot of Donbas:
stopfake.org/en/snapshot-of-movie-the-brest-fortress-is-being-presented-as-a-photo-of-donbass

gregy741
3 Jun 2014  #1085

Harry

you said Kolomyisky doesn't pay for killing seps and Russians..you are Lier..more filth from you as usual

Harry
3 Jun 2014  #1086

you said Kolomyisky doesn't pay for killing seps and Russians

Quote me saying that.

In yet more 'news', here is a photo used by Kremlin fans on their website: politnavigator.net/v-donecke-vojjna-obstrel-s-istrebitelejj-lyudi-ubegayut-iz-svoikh-domov-sozhzhennye-avtomobili-i-aehroport-mnozhestvo-ranennykh-foto.html

fake

And here is the same photo before the liars got busy with photoshop:

Real

gregy741
3 Jun 2014  #1087

In yet more 'news', here is a photo used by Kremlin fans on their website

i know Liar..ppl in euromaidan pr were saying ,those killed by air strike yesterday were staged actors covered in paint.today i heard from them that was Russian plane painted with Ukrainian markings.

Filth

Quote me saying that.

in response to my question about killing ppl for money,you posted video with Russian propaganda..suggesting kolomyisky story is also Russian propaganda..
you try to cover your lies and manipulations,but you are primitive and obvious lair

Harry
3 Jun 2014  #1088

Even more 'news'!
Here's a video titled "28 05 2014 Donetsk militants blow up terrorists' (National Guard of Ukraine) ADF"
youtube.com/watch?v=bCmx9-p8WN4

And here is the same video, full screen, posted 13 days earlier and correctly titled as being shot in Syria:

in response to my question about killing ppl for money,you posted video with Russian propaganda..suggesting kolomyisky story is also Russian propaganda..

I asked you to quote me saying "Kolomyisky doesn't pay for killing seps and Russians", as you claimed I had said. Kindly either quote me saying that or withdraw and apologise.

gregy741
3 Jun 2014  #1089

Even more 'news' for you!
Here's a video titled "28 05 2014 Donetsk militants blow up terrorists' (National Guard of Ukraine) ADF"

i dont care what some ppl making up in internet
i care when i see civilians being blown up by Nazi thugs..and i don't need Russian TV to see it happening..
spawn more filth to cover this..
those thugs and those who support them will see justice,or we will see another wave of Ukrainian geroyam running away like rats to Canada,just like their fathers did

Harry
3 Jun 2014  #1090

i see civilians being blown up by Nazi thugs

You mean such as the procession of Orthodox faithful which Izvestia reported had tried to form a " human shield between the warring parties" at Donetsk airport and were then killed by the Ukrainian army?

Russian article here: izvestia.ru/news/571605

The only small problem is that the story was a complete lie, as is confirmed by Archpriest Georgiy Guliaev, the press secretary of the Donetsk eparchy, here: pravmir.ru/v-donetskoy-eparhii-oprovergli-informatsiyu-o-pogibshih-veruyushhih-v-aeroportu (article is in Russian, summary: none of our people went to the airport. But perhaps in that area were some random people who live there.)

Even more 'news'!
Here is photo which Kremlin media claim shows a morgue full of dead bodies in Sloviansk, Ukraine:

fake

Article here: politikus.ru/events/19398-gorodskoy-morg-slavyanska-perepolnen-trupami-ukrovoennyh-nacgvardeycev-i-pravosekov.html

And here is a photo (with the correct watermark) from the same roll of film taken five years ago by Associated Press photographer, Eduardo Verdugo, who was covering the drug war in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico.

And here's a Spanish language article from last year which uses the exact same image: es.paperblog.com/nadie-reconoce-a-mas-de-15-mil-cadaveres-en-mexico-por-narcoguerra-1634470

Szalawa
3 Jun 2014  #1091

Ramzan Kadyrov "I am saying this on record, I haven't even sent one Chechen soldier to Ukraine, but if there is an order, I have 74,000 Chechens who are ready to go to Ukraine,' he added.

The Chechen leader also said that if he were to send his soldiers to Ukraine, he would not send them to Donetsk, rather he would send them to the capital Kiev as that is where the 'enemy' is."

worldbulletin.net/world/138006/kadyrov-says-74000-chechens-ready-to-go-to-ukraine

gregy741
3 Jun 2014  #1092

yea..old news..tho Kadyrov has specific sense of humor..i wouldn't take him seriously.but then again who knows if hes trolling or not.i hope he is. this current situation is bad enough without Chechens

tho i read yesterday somwhere that China demanded to stop killing civilians in east Ukraine..that's more seriouse.rarely you see demands in international dyplomacy.and China is a big player

Szalawa
3 Jun 2014  #1093

he's saying if he was sending the current Chechen's which he say's he is not, he would send in complete army with already 74,000 ready volunteers

Harry
3 Jun 2014  #1094

this current situation is bad enough without Chechens

Not to worry, their bodies are being sent home by the dozen:

Several dozen coffins of dead Chechen fighters have been returned to Chechnya following deadlly clashes early this week at Donetsk International Airport between Kremlin-backed insurgents and Ukrainian anti-terrorism troops. Reporters for Kavkazky Uzel said that between 35 and 45 corpses arrived in Grozny on May 30.

Full article: kyivpost.com/multimedia/video-2/ukraine-news-one-ukraine-allows-chechen-dead-to-be-sent-home-350182.html

Ramzan Kadyrov "I am saying this on record, I haven't even sent one Chechen soldier to Ukraine

Just as his boss didn't send even a single Russia soldier to Ukraine (before Russia officially invaded and occupied the area).

gregy741
3 Jun 2014  #1095

Not to worry, their bodies are being sent home by the dozen:

70k Chechen ..they would be riding on Yatz within a week

Szalawa
3 Jun 2014  #1096

Someone should be held accountable for that airstrike it basically was a war crime. Gregy is right, I seen many excuses. The bigger terrorist is the one who uses the bigger weapons

gregy741
3 Jun 2014  #1097

how many ppl got prosecuted for Odessa?Mariupol?there you go
all of them criminals in Kiev should go to Hague tribunal
and now in polish media reporting that Kiev said that Russian have 8 Ukrainians jet fighters and Russia is planing false flag bombing east ukra cities..lol

i hope its not what i think it is.

Szalawa
3 Jun 2014  #1098

and now in polish media reporting that Kiev said that Russian have 8 Ukrainians jet fighters and Russia is planing false flag bombing east ukra cities..lol

Try Kresy.pl I use that site all the time, it is a thin opening for Pole's in Poland to understand whats happening In Ukraine

Nathan
4 Jun 2014  #1099

Even more 'news'!

Thanks, Harry. The Russian propaganda long as passed that of Goebbels in Nazi Germany. Total brain-washing.

he's saying if he was sending the current Chechen's which he say's he is not, he would send in complete army with already 74,000 ready volunteers

He already does send his terrorists into Ukraine.

Instead of direct military support, the Kremlin's solution to Ukraine's eastern crisis has been a porous border: a blind eye to the movements of fighters and rebel leaders in the shadows of its territory, and a safe passage for the flow of illegal arms to its eastern neighbors.
The resulting free-for-all has encouraged paramilitary groups, some likely backed by warlords and oligarchs, to flood into the region.
Sayid, a Chechen fighter being treated at the Donetsk trauma unit for a gunshot wound in his ankle, told VICE News how he had travelled to Rostov in Russia for construction work. Once there, he was offered the opportunity to fight in Ukraine and headed with his unit for the border.
Aslan, a nervous gunman in a black tracksuit who patrols the ice cream factory, told VICE News a similar story. The 33-year-old Ossetian says that his group traveled to Donetsk to provide humanitarian aid, but then decided to join the fight.
Others from the Caucasus and other post-Soviet states are also thought to be among the swirling mix of paramilitaries descending on the region.

news.vice.com/article/ice-cream-corpses-and-the-big-bear-repatriating-dead-russians-from-ukraine
Read this article (just a suggestion), I'll just point to a few places:

On the road to the border with Russia, a sign featuring a Soviet solider boldly proclaims: "Heroic actions are immortal." But the bodies in the back of the truck are not Russia's heroes; they are its dirty secret.
For these dead men there was no safe passage, no final salute, and no solemn celebration of a soldier's final return home... The Russian press, which enjoy exclusive access to the rebels' world thanks to the influence of the Kremlin, was notably absent. The snub is a telling sign of Moscow's position...Even amid the chaos of war, one thing is now clear to everyone: Russia is here, but she doesn't want to claim her men.

Here is a photo of a dead Chechen who lost his life for Kremlin, fighting Ukrainian army and killing our people, army, which I should point out to you is on HER LAND!!! Not in Russia, not in Chechnia, not anywhere else, but HOME!!! Do you like to look at dead people, Szalawa? Does it make you feel nice to talk crap, which in one way or another adds to the death toll in the eastern Ukraine?

Try Kresy.pl I use that site all the time

I can see it by your posts. Hope you use other sites as well, at least from time to time. There are a lot of other Polish sites, which can be used for learning Polish and which relay real info, unless, of course, you enjoy fantasy.

Szalawa
4 Jun 2014  #1100

I can see it by your posts. Hope you use other sites as well, at least from time to time. There are a lot of other Polish sites, which can be used for learning Polish and which relay real info, unless, of course, you enjoy fantasy.

Yes, Vice news is another. You can see it by my posts
I already knew about the Chechens but they came on their own not by Ramzan Kadyrov

like to look at dead people, Szalawa? Does it make you feel nice to talk crap, which in one way or another adds to the death toll in the eastern Ukraine?

Talk Crap? some nerve you must have... How about those mangled bodies from the airstrike. Go on kresy.pl and see for yourself and call it propaganda because your too ashamed to admit the truth.

Nathan
4 Jun 2014  #1101

I already knew about the Chechens but they came on their own not by Ramzan Kadyrov

And how do you know it? Like the Russian soldiers in the Crimea have also come on their own? Putin has nothing to do with it... Their weapons and breaking armed through the border has nothing to do with the Russian Federation either, right? Here is something said by Kadyrov: "I've already killed him, whom I ought to kill. And those, who stay behind him, I will be killing them, to the very last of them, until I am myself killed or jailed. I will be killing [them] for as long as I live... Putin is gorgeous. He thinks more about Chechnya than about any other republic [of the Russian Federation]. When my father was murdered, he [Putin] came and went to the cemetery in person. Putin has stopped the war. Putin should be made president for life. Strong rule is needed. Democracy is all but an American fabrication... Russians never obey their laws. Everyone was stealing, and only Khodorkovsky is in jail."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov
If you are interested, read about his human rights violation history on that same site.

How about those mangled bodies from the airstrike. Go on kresy.pl and see for yourself and call it propaganda because your too ashamed to admit the truth.

Has the investigation established that it was done by the plane of Ukrainian Air Force or that it was done by plane at all? No. So, what can your site tell me?

gregy741
4 Jun 2014  #1102

Has the investigation established that it was done by the plane of Ukrainian Air Force or that it was done by plane at all? No. So, what can your site tell me?

Nazi junda doing investigation..hahahahahaha
same as in Odessa

Harry
4 Jun 2014  #1103

Nazi junda

You're really still trying to tell that lie gregy? I'm shaking my head.

Anyway, yet more 'news' from Ukraine. Here's a photo posted Kremlin fanboy on VKontakte with the caption ""I must congratulate you, comrades! Donbas has begun complete vengeance against the junta, as we promised! Now no mercy to any of those who came to this place with guns!"

1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.stopfake.org/content/uploads/2014/06/630x501xStrelkov.jpg.pagespeed.ic.ZBuLyfbjGk.webp
And here is the real photo, correctly labelled as being from China in 1989:
fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/krion109/album/179828/view/482586

Szalawa
4 Jun 2014  #1104

obviously you don't trust random posters, they are not the news or journalists
But posting these fake things here don't negate the real things that are happening

gregy741
4 Jun 2014  #1105

not nazi huh? more filth lies from Harry,trying to condone ukra nazis atrocities

globalresearch.ca/the-kiev-regime-is-not-officially-a-neo-nazi-government/5384722

"obviously you don't trust random posters, they are not the news or journalists
But posting these fake things here don't negate the real things that are happening"

thats all he got,,cand hide nazi junta killing civilians,so he tries to make it looks like its some propaganda

Harry
4 Jun 2014  #1106

obviously you don't trust random posters, they are not the news or journalists

Fair enough. Here is a Russian 'news' website reporting that Donbas rebels shot down a US drone:

fake

And here is the original photo from 2011:

real

taken from this website: novostink.ru/sng/26092-turan-esli-bespilotnik-sbityy-v-karabahe-ne-azerbaydzhanskiy-znachit-pvo-azerbaydzhana-zrya-edyat-svoy-hleb.html

Here is a Russian journalist from LifeNews, Ermina Kotandzhyan, posting on her twitter account a photo of an eight-year-old boy, who had suppposedly been wounded at the airport of Donetsk in a shootout:

fake

And here is the same photo used to illustrate an article about nine children being killed in a government attack on the Syrian city of Aleppo, it's from April 2013:

real

not nazi huh?

Neither Nazi nor a junta.

more filth lies from Harry,trying to condone ukra nazis atrocities

Would you care to quote me trying to condone any Nazi atrocities? Or is that claim just another of the lies you are so often exposed as telling here. Such a pity you can't point out even a single lie I've told here, despite all your lies about me being a liar :)

Szalawa
4 Jun 2014  #1107

what Russian news web site is that, I dont use it

Harry
4 Jun 2014  #1108

what Russian news web site is that

The clue is in the name at the top of the screenshot: Новоро́ссия, 'Novorossiya'.

Szalawa
4 Jun 2014  #1109

Why would I trust Novorossiya, never heard of it can you provide a link

gregy741
4 Jun 2014  #1110

what Russian news web site is that, I dont use it

hes using stopfake website,made by some pro ukra nazis to suppose to expose Russian propaganda..most of it they expose some posters in internet.and trying to make it looks like Russian are using massive propaganda

they also claimed that air strike in Lugansk is Russian propaganda.those ppl
are filth on earth,,condoning and manipulating atrocities while civilians are being murdered.
for example ,its like i search internet ,find Ukrainian claim that lets say"hitler is great heroe" and then use it as a proof that Ukrainian government prising Hitler.

its primitive manipulations


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