Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

see I don't go saying oooh bad bad Russians, I blame their leadership, unlike you who find all Ukrainians unworthy of their own statehood, perfectly content relegating them to the role of Russia's doormat, based on.... your mum's gut-feeling. How's that for a limited world view?

Flagless, it seems to me that Russia is your fetish.
Fetish in a sense- passion, something you can not change, think reasonably of...and its primary meaning.

It is not a secret that in that order of things, you are my fetish, lol :)

Perfect example of how you take bits intended to expand your view and make them into all that you can see.

fascinating first hand account from Ukraine: newrepublic.com/article/118131/week-battlefields-ukraine

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what we have here?Poland not sending military to assist junta Radek?or not polish mercenaries?huh?whats that then?:

youtube.com/watch?v=BUtxJTsCnTI#t=607

10 :46
yellow mercedez benz

and here you can check out yourself registration plates number confirming this car is registered in warsaw

zapytania.oi.ufg.pl/SASStoredProcess/guest?with=zpp1

Wow I know, so that little coffee shop on Stare Miasto waving Ukrainian flag (as quite a few places in Poland do in show of support) must be a secret staging base. I bet that's where Radek's mercenaries concocted that fabulously devious plan of invading Ukraine in a yellow mercedes van... thanks gregy for clearing this up for me. I'm slowly getting the whole picture, the fog is lifting. So all these thousands upon thousands Ukrainians in Poland and their Ukrainian registered cars one so often sees here are.... FASCISTS!!! WOW, run everyone fascist are coming!!!

there various and many reports about polish mercenaries and polish weapons been found,,i always approached those reports with cautions,
look again on this video and you clearly see those guys running away from camera when being asked questions,indicates they didn't want to talk or don't understand understand language..

if its first report of polish merc being used i would maybe ignore it ,but there are quite a large number of different sources pointing at it.

beside,this car is registered by polish insurance company as a owner not some Ukrainian citizen living in Poland.
nevertheless as i understand,mercenary is crime in polish law and those guys, would not be difficult for prosecutor to establish their identity,should they bother to do so..

i hope so in the light sikorski accusing Russia for sending mercs and strongly denying polish citizens involvement in this crisis
dont you think?
no need to be cocky..i don't quite understand myself what to make from this or whats going on here,,this car belong to some german base insurance and financial company..its called "GOTHAER TOWARZYSTWO UBEZPIECZEŃ S.A"

if you so clever tell me who are those guys?

proof...?


I gather you don't live in Poland, because if you did you'd notice how many Ukrainians live here. Here in Warsaw Ukrainian is heard everywhere, shopping malls, gyms, comedy shows, bars, restaurants, buses, you name it. I'm typing this message to the sound of vacuum cleaner in the adjacent living room operated by a woman from Rivne (I should prolly check if she was tramp-stamped with swastika... hmm damn she just bent over and no cigar but I'm sure you could easily establish her connection to 'Kiev fascist junta' given your delusion). Anyways, today she's particularly elated as her husband just got confirmed Polish citizenship... catching my drift so far gregy? And I really don't need to tell you where their sentiment lies and many of the legally resident Ukrainians do what they can to help their country ... but hey let's continue with your hyperbolic Kremlin lip service.

For those who live here and know the reality on the ground, here is a prime example of Kremlin propaganda on the ongoing crisis in Ukraine directed at Poland, brace yourselves you're gonna laugh, it's so preposterous as to be pure comedy, and you greggy take note, coz your yellow mercedes rant could use a touch-up here and there to make it funny because as is, it's just sad.

voiceofrussia.com/2014_04_24/Ukrainian-territories-used-to-belong-to-Poland-turned-into-base-for-the-nationalistic-movement-7324/

no..tho i was born and risen 50 km from ukraine border,heard some stories from old people ,you know,catching my drift?and i dont need "Russian propaganda" to differ decent human from nazi criminal scumbags..

have close look from yesterday if you dare(caution very very graphic,you been warned)
youtube.com/watch?v=24E2FltDmnA&fmt=18


huh? beg u pardon? helping country?by murdering civilians to earn kolomyjskis 200 bucks per head? is that what u call patriotic "helping country" in the s.hit hole u came from?

this particular merc van is believed to take part in Mariupol civilian killing,one of bunch paid by sum filthy oligarch to kill civilians for money....dont wrap those criminal scumbags into some "patriotic helping country" bs..they got paid for killing people


if i get a penny for every lie that came from avakov arse i would be driving Bentley already.
stick this banderist nazi apologetic bs in your arse

there we go, it's all clear now, back to WW2 and UPA crimes, bit like f-stop with her grandma. I get the resentment, pain and all that but how about checking the calendar and getting with the now, it's 2014 hello

and it become obvious some people in Ukraine didn't change.not saying all.Ukrainians are just like us Poles,its this sick banderist ideology that is terrible,and so many young people glorify those times even today.

i dont give a fok about patriotic BS! its human civilian deaths make me angry,Ukrainian people being murdered by Nazi fokin junta!!!
why not czechoslovakia scenario,2 brothers people living next to each other within independent states..instead some maniacs prefer "killing terrorist" scenario with some !patriotic" war where young boys die for 200 hrivna a month pay.fighting for kolomyjskis assets

i dont read russian news,i read 5 hours a day reports from people on ground,from both sides and images i seen in past few weeks are horrible while politician are playing propaganda games.and patriotic idiots clapping hands with joy..oooo "good ruskies,dead ruskies"

do you want some news about punitive laws being introduces?about rewarding naziguard with land in east Ukraine? huh?
here kiev post,so you dont say is putins propaganda

kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukraines-land-agency-give-land-to-soldiers-in-the-east-for-free-352100.html
its ethnic cleansing...awarding victims land to their murderers ,just like in old good gloriouse banderist times

I do thoroughly recommend that everybody clicks that link for yet further proof that gregy is lying. That site he links to has nothing to do with vehicle registration; it a site where people can check to see who insures a motor vehicle. Did you really think that nobody would click to check your links gregy? You have been caught lying so many times that you think people here would take your word for it that night is darker than day without first looking out of the window to check?

In reality, that van is registered in Chelm district (as shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_Poland#District_indicators). Chelm is some 200km from Warsaw, but it's only 20km from the border with Chelm. If you were a Ukrainian who wanted to buy (or perhaps otherwise 'acquire') a Polish van, as vans tend to be cheaper in Poland than in Ukraine (especially if you don't pay for them), would you want to travel far from the border or do your business closer to the border?


You're lying gregy. That van is insured by "GOTHAER TOWARZYSTWO UBEZPIECZEŃ S.A.", it is not owned by them. If it was owned by them, it would have Warsaw licence plates on it. But it doesn't, it has plates from Chelm on it.


Really gregy?
Is that why your Polish is so bad that you can look at a site about vehicle insurance and think it tells you who owns the vehicle?

Is that why you don't recognise the licence plates which come from the area where you want us to believe you were born and raised? LOL!

But then I suppose you are only taking your inspiration from your beloved leaders in the Kremlin.
Here is a photo the Russian delegation presented to a meeting of the OSCE, claiming it showed a UN helicopter being used by the Ukrainian military during a operation in the Donbass area in late May.



And here is same photo being correctly used by Fox News some three years ago:

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and it wasn't clear to me wherever gother was owner or insurer..it said it was responsible something.location was warsaw.
i said i wasn't sure whats going on there,or what to make of this but i dont find it strange or impossible that if some criminals want to kill ppl for money..scum are everywhere.you guys are tipical trolls,when dont find any merit arguments,you pick on details.

even if they were Ukrainians living in Poland,then accusing Russia for letting seps through their border and same thing seems happening here it seems

and watch video closely,and tell me why those boys running away in panic,whithout saying a word,even hallo, when this lady ask them question in ukrainian?

got any comments on awarding land for nazi junta?Harry?

ok you mean like truckloads of uniformed fighters, T-72 tanks, surface-to-air missile equipment, etc, gotcha


I don't know why people more often than not don't want to be interviewed on camera, but you seem to have a ready answer for us: Polish mercenaries supporting fascist junta yay... three cheers for originality assuming we're talking about how originally predictable it is

Really gregy? You seemed very very clear before your lies were pointed out. Are you seriously expecting us to believe that you were born and raised in Poland and could not understand the very simple phrase "Ubezpieczeniowego Funduszu Gwarancyjnego"? You really think we'll believe that a native speaker of Polish thought that "zakład" meant owner? You actually reckon anybody here will believe that you read:

polisa: INR-275617/001 dla pojazdu: MERCEDES-BENZ SPRINTER
zakład odpowiedzialny: GOTHAER TOWARZYSTWO UBEZPIECZEŃ S.A.
and thought it means that an insurance company owns that van?
If you Polish is so bad, why didn't you just use the English version of that site: zapytania.oi.ufg.pl/SASStoredProcess/guest?lang=en

And even if you genuinely thought that that Warsaw insurance company owned the van, why does it clearly have licence plates which are from the region you claim to have been born and raised in?

Face it gregy: you just got busted lying, yet again.


You based your whole 'Polish mercenaries are operating in Ukraine' on your claim that a Warsaw registered van owned by a Polish insurance company was seen in Ukraine. The reality is that the van is not registered in Warsaw, it is registered to a region right on the border and it is not owned by GOTHAER insurance company. In other words, all of your 'facts' turned out to be lies. Oops.


Who says they were Ukrainians who lived in Poland? All we see is a van, and one which appears to have been bought by somebody who is either not Polish or who has no intention of driving it in Poland (any Polish driver will tell you that having two registration stickers visible on the windscreen as that van does is an instant fine).


Are you ever going to tire of telling that lie about a democratically elected government being a Nazi junta?

Got any comments about your Russian masters getting caught telling lies to the OSCE about UN helicopters?

as i said,,its not clear for me..its merely says "company responsible" i tho it means owner
beside its not important since even if there from Chelm not Warsaw its still Poland.you are picking on minor things and you got nothing to add but slanders.

point is ,,people driving polish cars kill people for money,and it would be easy work for prosecutor to find who they are.


am from Zamosc region and my polish is fluent,,keep trying troll
Harry,just answer
is that morally sound to award western Ukrainians right sector thugs with free land in east Ukraine as a reward for conduct a punitive repressions on east ukra population..answer

Company responsible for the insurance. Or do you know so little about Poland that you don't know that private individuals can own vehicles here?


You are seriously expecting people here to believe that somebody who claims to be a native speaker of Polish couldn't understand very simple statements in Polish? ROFL! And even if your Polish is that dire, why did you think that a vehicle is clearly registered in Chelm district is registered to a Warsaw company? Or didn't you think that anybody here would know enough to pick up on your lies?


Who says they are from Chelm? The van they are in might be from Chelm district but they don't know a very basic fact that all Polish drivers know. And they are not smoking Polish cigarettes either.


This just gets better and better! You claim to be from the district which borders the district this van is from but you don't know that LCH is for vehicles from Chelm district just as LZ is for Zamosc vehicles and all vehicles from Lublin area have Lx?! Seriously? :D


I fear that you have been caught lying yet again gregy. If your Polish was fluent, you wouldn't have thought that GOTHAER insurance company owned the van, so you're lying about speaking fluent Polish; but, if your Polish is fluent, you would have correctly understood that GOTHAER insurance company does not own that van and you are lying about who owns it. So which lie have you been caught telling gregy? It must be one of those two. Or perhaps you were lying about the owner of the van and about speaking fluent Polish? :D :D :D

no Harry..it says "company responsible"thats it
it could mean company or for example individual responsible for insuring vehicle-which i tho means "owner"
i don't know bureaucratic language in Poland


in my time Zamosc was different district from Chelm,later in 90-ties they made one big Lublin district and am not driver
i left Poland in 1999
but back to topic

Harry
is in your opinion morally sound to award western Ukrainians right sector thugs with free land in east Ukraine as a reward for conduct a punitive repressions on east ukra population..answer

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

doesn't those laws are intended to replace and change demographic of east Ukraine by Kiev government?

You sure you want to claim that a native speaker of Polish thought that 'zakład' meant 'person'? :D :D :D
Do please let us know when you think that the hole you have dug yourself is deep enough.

You came here with a pack of lies about Polish mercenaries and thought that you'd get away with it: you were wrong. Deal with that fact. And try to stop lying.


Could you perhaps not insult the members of the Ukrainian armed forces who are fighting off a foreign invasion of Ukraine? I do understand that you clearly (as shown above) have trouble telling the truth, but please make an effort.

I have no problem at all with state-owned land being given to servicemen (and women) who risked their lives to fight off a foreign invasion of their country. It's something which Poland has done several times.

I'd ask you to try to support your laughable claim about ethnic cleansing, but you'd ignore it just as you ignore all the other lies your fellow Kremlin fanboys get caught telling. Or are you going to address even one of those? Perhaps the lie told by the Russian diplomats at the OSCE about UN helicopters would be a good place to start.

many of them have insulted the very concept of humanity by their behavior,and what foreign invasion are we talking about?lying again aren't you Harry?


foreign invasion lie again i see.
you dont see problem,,well i tell you whats the problem. land rewards parcels are located in east Ukraine exclusively(ah guess its just coincidence)

you might not see problem but what about those people feels knowing their land are being settled by right sector thugs as a reward for the horrors they brought to them.

seems more like a reconquest mission for a break away province then fighting off a foreign invasion

If they had, you'd have proof of that; but in reality all you can offer are lies along the lines of UN helicopters being used in Ukraine against civilians.


The one which sees land which Russia agreed to be part of Ukraine occupied by Russian troops.


I'm not, but I do understand that you have severe difficulty distinguishing between lies and truth.


Really? Says who? Got any sources for that? Or are you very simply lying yet again?


I can sort of understand how somebody who sits in American and believes all the lies told by his fellow Americans might think that. Perhaps you should try reading more widely about this topic and forgetting your preconceptions.

could be...or
corrupt and broken junta in Kiev is trying to lure more "patriotic" idiots to die for a promise of some free land.look how desperate they got..they calling 60 years old to service: iportal.rada.gov.ua/en/news/News/News/94427.html

Harry: Really? Says who? Got any sources for that? Or are you very simply lying yet again?
kiyvpost says,your favorite source of juntas divine truth

kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukraines-land-agency-give-land-to-soldiers-in-the-east-for-free-352100.html

Are you seriously never going to tire of that lie, gregy?


No it does not, gregy: as usual you are lying.


Land will be given to those defending Ukraine in the east and south-east regions. Not: 'land in the east and south-east regions will be given to those defending Ukraine'.

Yet again you have been caught lying about what a source says. But then we could have known that without even reading what the source said; there is a reason that you didn't actually quote the source, isn't there.

whats in the title?
"Ukraine's Land Agency give land to soldiers in the east for free"

Harry, instead of trying to insult anyone who does not agree with you. What makes this a foreign invasion if these provinces are in dispute because of a controversial referendum, some could be saying this is an invasion by Kiev to reclaim lost territories. However believe what you want, just don't expect others to hold the same view.

'Land to soldiers who are in the east'; not 'land in the east to soldiers'. No matter how many times you lie about it, the Kyiv Post will not be saying that land in the east is to be given to soldiers, so you might as well stop with that lie now.


Among the things that make Russia's invasion of Ukraine an invasion of Ukraine is that Russia committed to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine, and then invaded it.


It's not 'controversial': every international organisation of any (positive) repute at all says it was illegal. Even the Russian government has admitted it was fixed.

And regardless of the sham referendum, Putin has already admitted that his troops had invaded Ukraine before the referendum.


Pointing out that (and how) a liar is lying is not an insult.

lol Harry,you know something that the whole world have missed.Invasion of Russia..wow..
believe me,if Russia invade Ukraine,this war will be over within hours

No gregy, the invasion by Russia. The one which has resulted in Russia occupying part of Ukraine.


You are aware that it is possible for a nation to only invade part of another nation, aren't you?

Crimea is Crimea, Its short chapter of it belonging to Ukraine is now finished. Troops in Crimea? I did not agree with. them not killing anyone and holding a referendum, I'm fine with that.

Donbass, militants rising up? not the best way
Maidan not waiting for elections, again not the best way
Ukraine sending in army to attack Donbass militants who proclaimed independence, bad mistake. In fact the most dangerous move made in this whole conflict
Instead of brute force, co-operation of both would have bettered each others conditions and would have resulted in the de-escalation of the conflict.

Crimea is a part of Ukraine, just as Russia agreed in the Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.


To you maybe, international law and international relations say otherwise. What is finished is Russia's credibility as a nation state: who is going to want to sign a treaty with a country which does the exact opposite of what it promises to do?


So as long as an invading army doesn't kill many people (they did kill people, and torture people to death) and then hold a sham referendum which even the invading army's own government admits was fixed, you're fine with that? Luckily not many people in this world share your stance.


Nations are not supposed to stand by and allow criminals to murder, rob and torture to their heart's content. Ukraine has not done that.