Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Countries are in general not creditable, Canada, Israel, America, your precious Britain, all of them.


No, the country should do it itself?


In reality, that land was independent for 100's of years from Russia or Ukraine. However since those people thought slavery of slavic people was ok for all those years, they were later crushed by the Russian empire.

If you want a full scale war, just say so.

You may think that, international diplomacy and (more importantly) international trade says otherwise.


It should not allow anybody to do those things. And spare us the entirely predictable 'But Ukraine does those things itself' BS, not unless you can back the statement with anything other than the usual Kremlin lies.


And now it is part of Ukraine.

and now its not

You may think that: the international community, international law and international trade say otherwise. Apart from anything else, it's going to be very interesting from the international law perspective to watch Russia trying to fence the property its stolen from Ukraine.

I reckon Israels doing a good job, you like Israel right?

Do feel very free to go into detail about Israel fencing property it has stolen.


I'm not a fan of that nation.

Harry..Crimea was not some land given to Ukrainians by God for ever,till the world ends.
you know,borders change sometimes in history,and it was matter of time things like that happens when nation acquire land with no Ukrainian population living there.and then they chosen to abuse their rights ban their language and so on.

those madmen in Kiev even proposed bill prosecuting using Russian language in Ukraine,they got themselves to blame for what is happening now.and its better to split now than long civil wars cus even if they crush this rebellion i guess it will be another and another or maybe even real terrorism will be born there.

Czechoslovakia option could be done,they split cus they had reasonable man in power,they could do it but there are crazy nazis in power .that's the problem

If you're talking about Crimea, you're lying yet again: about a quarter of the population of Crimea say they are ethnic Ukrainians.


Now you most certainly are lying, as usual: at no time after the change of government in Kiev was Russian banned. Stop lying.


That's a pathetic lie, even by your standards.


They split because they were two separate well defined nations who both wanted to split; that is not the case in Ukraine.


No gregy, that's just another example of you being the contemptible liar which you are and which I expose you as every time I respond to one of your lie-filled posts.

This includes Russian-speaking people, like a colleague of mine who has no wish to be a Russian citizen.

I think gregy is talking about before Crimea was part of Ukraine and not present date

"Asked whether such comparisons to Hitler or Stalin went too far, Dalia Grybauskaite told German news magazine Focus on Sunday: "(Putin) uses nationality as a pretext to conquer territory with military means. That's exactly what Stalin and Hitler did. Such comparisons are spot on."

Grybauskaite said Russia wanted to maintain its influence in territories that were once part of the Soviet Union and added it particularly wanted to keep the Baltic states dependent on it economically and in terms of energy policy."

reuters.com/article/2014/06/22/ukraine-crisis-lithuania-idUSL6N0P30FB20140622

So we're done comparing Bush to Hitler, or is that still on? Or was it Obama?

What I really don't understand is when the criticism falls on Putin's Russia there is this chorus of people moaning about US. I could be bashing US all day long, which I sometimes do, and very deservedly so should I add, but this is not a US-Russia-who's-the-worse-villan pi$$ing contest, no this is a clear cut confirmation of Putin's thuggish cvntishness. Besides when you packed up and left PRL you didn't leave for Moscow, did you now?

Just like Kosovo is part of Serbia.

Any questions?

And there was everyone, including the government of Poland, thinking it was independent.

Yes, in fact Crimea was independent for 100's of years, However Kosovo did not exist

It certainly exists now. Crimea however is occupied by another country.

Those people in Crimea could not care less what country they belong too, most choose Russia and are Russian. I think they are glad they are not living under the threat of being bombed like in Donbass or like it was in Kosovo.

sometimes, the easiest way of showing people how dumb their arguments are is to draw parallel to how they were used before.
Saying somebody is like Hitler is just a shallow ploy to get into an argument.

are you seriously going to compare teabaggers calling Obama Hitler to the president of Lithuania pointing out the uncanny similarities between Stalin/Hitlers and now Putin's ethnically-argumented military land grabs?????

On the second thought why don't you go ahead and spill your guts on what your grandma and mum had been telling you about the bad bad Ukrainians of yore (instead of just hinting here and there), just get it out of your system, let it rip, once and for all. I believe people may be sympathetic to your inherited anguish, given the history. Just be done with it, fine, and then try to be objective about the current situation instead of being one of Kremlin's useful idiots.

Well, looky here. ;)
We really don't like others' personal stories, do we?
It looks like you need to calm down, and get whatever's "anguishing " you out of your system.
Go ahead, just be done with it, although I doubt it will make you feel better.

And what, prey tell, should that be? I'm not the one writing here on this forum how my mum prefers Russians over Ukrainians, you have something to tell, tell it. Or you really think my obvious dislike of Putin's policy towards Ukraine should be backed some personal tale from 70 years ago?

No they didn't, as even the Russian government accidentally made clear. Please try not to tell lies here.

The family tidbits I tell are not unique, and you should ask yourself why do they **** you off so much.. Because I think comparing Putin to Hitler is stupid? Get a grip, man.

Quite possibly. However, not many people base their view of what is wrong and right in the world solely on tales that their granny told them.

solely? How arrogant of you. If you don't like personal stories, don't read them. You might be surprised that many others look for them, and would tell their own if it wasn't for the cross attacks like yours.

Shoot.. Harry? I was not talking to you.

well, Putin is not Hitler. He's Putin. And you may or may not like him but hes doing a good job. Russia really is getting better with him in office. And if this was America, Ukraine would be far worst then now

I think Ukraine would be doing a lot better being in an Eurasian Union with Russia. Look at the similarities- both are Orthodox, Slavic, similar history, post soviet, language is similar. Just no nationalist extremists and there will be no problem. Eu does not mean Ukraine will get better, Look at Greece.

If Ukraine and Russia form a commonwealth then that's even better, you know sharing borders but each with own government kind of like rzeczpospolita times , who knows maybe Poland and Belarus would be added too. and if things go good the EU which is currently falling apart can be incorporated as a junior into this kind of Commonwealth.

Maybe the answer to this problem is getting rid of borders?

More Russia choosing to annexe Ukrainian sovereign territory.


He's certainly giving it his best effort.


None of us here want "to be added". Indeed Poland has historically had to struggle to avoid Russian domination. As for Russia becoming a junior partner in the EU - it just wouldn't work. Russia operates at a far lower standard of ethics, human rights and basic behaviour. Even Turkey would be higher on the list. The Ukraine however does seem to want to look west rather than east and hopefully ties will increase.

Are you some sort of racist? or you have a bad case of ethnocentrism?

pretty soon, you're gonna call him a racist for jaywalking.