Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

elaborate, your post makes no sense and is out of context

nah, it would be nothing but a waste of time ;-) ..what I said, makes perfect sense. I won't even try to encourage you to read it again, you won't understand it anyway but instead, I have a great song here to put you in a good mood ;-) (I hope, you like Elvis)

youtube.com/watch?v=2Ox1Tore9nw

that's what I thought, you can't explain. its OK though I did not expect much from you anyway as your two of the same.

I'm not surprised, as what could you possibly expect from me ...that you....would be able to comprehend?


only when it comes to respecting one country's right to be independent. YES szalawa, you're right about that 1 ;-)

Not much, just random stuff that are out of context.


What a load of crap, Ukraine will still be independent. Both of you are two biggest Russophobes on this site.

exactly szalawa, everything you post is out of context and out of touch.

It seems our neighbours agree too:


independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/lithuanian-president-comparisons-between-vladimir-putin-and-hitler-are-spot-on-9558551.html

Worth mentioning that the newspaper that came from cannot be called Russophobic.

Another diplomat that does not know what diplomacy is. SMH

She's the president of her country rather than a diplomat - and she's saying something which so many leaders, all of then people who've made a successful career of being very careful with their words, have made a point of saying. When one says it we should take some note but not worry too much - when many say it, we should sit up and take note.

Lithuania needs to work on its treatment of the Polish minority before they start barking on someone else. The neighbors that hate Poles more then our the Russian neighbors, you want to listen to them? its OK your not Polish so that's fine


more garbage posts on here? nothing you can contribute. I post article and video on whats currently happening and elaborate on them, you post stuff from over 70 years ago and say "look how bad the Russians are" just a shame you do not have the capacity to realize this, so Ill problem have to explain this to you with every post you make.

Really? Perhaps you'd like to give us recent examples of Poles being tortured to death by Lithuanian government forces? I'm happy to give examples of people in Ukraine being tortured to death by Russian government forces.


I've never met a Lithuanian who hates Poles and I've been living in this part of the world for longer than you've been alive.

I think comparing Putin to Hitler is self serving and short-sighted. (besides stupid, of course).
Those people forget that Putin does represent a nation.
Realistically, do they expect Russia to be drastically different if Putin was not on top?

You mean he appears to win elections? So did Hitler.

some interesting research about Crimea people feelings and perceptions,made by Gallup.questions regarding current crisis situation and referendum outcome starts on page 25: bbg.gov/wp-content/media/2014/06/Ukraine-slide-deck.pdf

Strange how you missed the closing thoughts: "Ukrainians want the freedom to make their own decisions without foreign involvement."

page 28 ,68.4% of ethnic UKRAINIANS in Crimea, says referendum in Crimea was legitimate.93.6% ethnic Russians says it was legitimate.82%total

Looks like the Kremlin's propaganda is working well. Pity that you can't lie as well as they do.

So the Russians are the only foreigners involved in the Ukrainian case? It's really not how it looks.


Pity you only see one propaganda.

So which other nation has invaded and is occupying part of Ukraine?

What invasion are you talking about? Officially, there is none.
Officially, Russia hasn't sent any troop on the Ukrainian soil.
Officially, Western powers are not involved in any way in Ukrainian interests.
You and I both know things are so messed up and complicated there.
Let's face it, it's a game between superpowers, who only have their own interests in mind, none of them really care about the Ukrainians.

Why?

Gallup is american base research company not Russian.you simply lie again.and very well known as well

where you don't have any arguments you lie as usual
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup_(company)
not to mention this research was published on bbg.gov wich is USA federal agency

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcasting_Board_of_Governors

Harry,your lies have reached the new level of hypocrisy and manipulation
now BBG USA federal agency previously a department within the United States Information Agency is Kremlin propaganda source.
as usual,where information doesn't support your lies you dismiss as "Kremlin propaganda"
i dont know why people even engage in any conversation with you.you are a poor joke.

Would you please be so kind as to quote me saying that Gallup is a Russian company. Thank you in advance.


Would you please be so kind as to quote me saying that BBG USA federal agency is Kremlin propaganda source. Thank you in advance.

Oh, sorry, you can't do either of those things, because, as usual, you were lying when you claimed that I had said those things.

What I actually said was that Gallups data shows that "the Kremlin's propaganda is working well."

Now what was I saying about it being a pity that you can't lie as well as the Kremlin's propaganda crew does?


And you're lying too. Russia has invaded and is occupying Crimea. Russia agreed in the Budapest memorandum that Crimea was part of Ukraine and that Russia would respect Ukrainian territorial integrity. Take your lies elsewhere.

Can't you just discuss facts, this is just boring.


That's Western/US sources. See, I didn't say propaganda and/or lies.


And NATO agreed not to expand and surround Russia. They were lying (too), obviously. Many countries bordering Russia joined NATO since the end of the USSR. And Ukraine is next. Ukraine who's always had very close links with Russia is about to join the Western world.

Everybody lies, it seems.

The BBC's Steve Rosenberg today reports that refugees who have entered Russia claim that "...masses of Polish snipers have been shooting civilians, that children have been abducted and flown to America to have their organs removed, and that the Ukrainian army has been killing refugees who have been trying to escape."

No doubt they get their information from the same source as gregy.

I'd love to discuss facts; however, people such as you keep presenting lies as facts.


No, it is a direct commitment as stated in the Budapest memorandum:
"1. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine." en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

No amount of lies from you or anybody else will change that fact.


No they did not, and no amount of lies from you or anybody else will change that fact. Of course, you are more than welcome to quote any promise which NATO made. But you cannot quote such promise, because it does not exist and you are very simply lying again.


Do feel very free to quote my lies, or is that statement just another one of your lies?


Jesus! I thought that you were joking but you're telling the truth :( bbc.com/news/world-europe-27993547

Harry, it's such a pain talking to you. You just cannot debate without attacking your opponent. You seem to be smart. It's time you show it.

And thanks again for the link to that wiki article about the Budapest Memorandum.
This line is particularly interesting:


Come on, you know treaties, alliances, and such memoranda are made to suit superpowers' interests, and they use them just as they wish, depending on their current interests.

What Russia did in Ukraine, any other superpower would have done the same, let's be honest.

I do not attack opponents: I point out when people are not telling the truth. If you do not want me to point out when you are not telling the truth, stop making statements which are not true.


I've quoted from the Budapest Memorandum several times before; this is the first time you haven't just ignored it completely.


Feel free to keep claiming that, the rest of the world has now learned that Russia cannot be trusted.
The really sad thing is that now no country which has nuclear weapons will ever again even dream of giving them up.

Calling me a liar at every sentence is kind of offensive (since I wouldn't call myself a liar), and quite boring too. And you do that all the time, with everybody. Let's just discuss calmly, exchanging our opinions. If I'm wrong, then okay, I'm a human being, I may be wrong. As you can be wrong too. Just stop calling everybody liars, you're not helping the debate. That's all I'm saying.


I don't wanna play your little game, but erm...it seems you're lying. Dammit... No, I'm not gonna play that game with you. I remember you quoting me this article a while ago, indeed, and I remember clicking on it and reading it. And then discussing it with you. Now if you prefer to make statements that are not true, what can I say?... ;)


Who can be trusted? Malaysia maybe...
You should know that in that Ukrainian case, many countries are neutral. The whole world is not against Russia. Despite what our medias keep saying.

If you don't tell lies, you cannot be truthfully described as a liar. However, when you say things such as "What invasion are you talking about? Officially, there is none. Officially, Russia hasn't sent any troop on the Ukrainian soil." you are lying, simple as that.