Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Would those be the same 'civilians' who shot down that Malaysian 777?


Perhaps your terrorist friends could go and defend somewhere else? Or do they prefer hiding behind women and children?

you lost yourself in your lies Harry
so what is it? those civilians are terrorist who shot Airline,or they are hostages of terrorists,who hide behind them?make up your twisted mind

i guess ,no condolences then ,Harry?
and of course,as usual,you have an evidence that those 44 civilians killed today were involved in attack on Malaysian airliner.

If you're going to accuse me of telling lies, you should be able to support that claim by quoting lies which you claim I have told. Would you like to do that or shall we all conclude that as usual you are just lying.


Which civilians? The ones which we only have the word of your fellow proven serial liars about even existing? Most probably any dead bodies were terrorist scum when they were alive and now the world has been improved by them being removed from it your fellow proven serial liars are claiming that the scum were civilians.

so civilians casualties in east Ukraine are fairy tales and lies,and they are terrorists in reality is that what u are saying?

I'm saying that most probably a lot of the supposed dead civilians are as real as the masses of Polish snipers who have supposedly been shooting civilians and the children have supposed been abducted and flown to America to have their organs removed. And that a lot of whatever dead bodies your fellow proven serial liars might be able to produce will most probably have been been terrorist scum who were happily removed from existence by the Ukrainian army.

I completely don't understand rebel stance in all this Jet accident.i think they are making big mistake now,denying their involvement.
looks like it was mistaken identity,admitting it, would be bad but denying will harm them more in terms of public support worldwide.unless they are honestly convinced of their innocent claims,i see no point going into denial

i mean friendly fire and accident happens all the time in war torn areas,even most advanced and best trained professional soldiers make mistakes-see Irak war friendly fire incidents.

Me too. This is an opportunity for peaceful dialogue and to try and find a way forward for all sides that can avoid further hardship and loss of life

The quote that Flagless Pole posted is worth repeating. As I understand, AIDS is a huge problem in both Russia and Ukraine.

They seem to be following the official Russian stance of denial. Check this, headlines from around the world, notice Kosomoskaya Pravda hasn't even reported it!!

businessinsider.com/malaysia-plane-newspaper-front-pages-around-the-world-2014-7

here is more on the long-standing RT news anchor that quit in protest over RT NEWS' deceitful and misleading coverage of the event:

huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/sara-firth-resigns-russia-today-lies-anchor_n_5598815.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&ir=Politics

notice the twitter exchange between her and another anchor Polly Boiko:

Polly Boiko: What am I spreading?

Sara Firth: Lies hun. We do work for Putin. We are asked on a daily basis if not to totally ignore then to obscure the truth.

Sara Firth: RT style guide Rule 1: It is ALWAYS *Ukraine's fault (*add name as applicable)

"On board the Boeing 777 were at least 154 Dutch, 27 Australians, 23 Malaysians, 11 Indonesians, six Britons, four Germans, four Belgians, three Filipinos and Canadian nationality and the other 47 passengers is not known. All 15 crew members were Malaysians."

This is just getting more and more grotesque, they've been lying for so long throughout the conflict they've really lost touch with reality... The rebel commander claims the plane was carrying corpses:

After the Malaysia Airlines passenger plane crashed on July 17 in Ukraine's Donetsk Oblast with 298 people on board, Kremlin-backed enthusiastically claimed credit, saying they thought they had shot down another Ukrainian military transport plane. "We did warn you - do not fly in our sky," Kremlin-backed separatist leader Igor Girkin, a Russian intelligence service officer, wrote on his official Vkontakte soon after the tragedy.

Though when the gravity of the mistake became obvious, the Russian-backed insurgents backpedaled and claimed innocence.

The statements of Girkin posted on his Vkontakte page on July 18 appeared to be a lot more confusing.

According to Girkin, the plane's passengers were already dead when the plane went down.

"I just talked to two people who were gathering corpses, both from Shakhtarsk (the city where the plane crashed) so they came to the spot only 30 minutes after the tragedy. I am writing from their words. They said many corpses were totally bloodless and looked like blood had clotted long before the catastrophe," the leader of Russian backed insurgents wrote.

kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kremlin-backed-insurgents-now-claim-malaysia-airlines-plane-was-carrying-corpses-356780.html

Girkin has no social network account.if you knew about him,you wouldn't spread Kiev BS propaganda.he said that hundreds of times even on videos.what u post here is Kiev lies and BS not Girkin.

the only confirmed by him website hes using is icorpus.ru:

icorpus.ru

and there you can find hes statement saying :
Currently (17.07.2014 22:00 MSK) Igor Ivanovich did Gunmen statements regarding the crash of the Boeing Malaysian airlines. All the messages that now go to various blogs and media, made ostensibly on behalf Strelkova are fake.

did you just post a link to a Russian website, yep you did... After all the scandal now surrounding RT NEWS and other for broadcasting lies... sweet :)

i seen video where he said that icorpus is his website,cant find it cus its in militaryphotos.net thread that has 5k pages.would take me long to find it.but thats sure,he only has and uses icorpus,there were 100-ts time ppl were posing as him.so he made video in which he said icorpus is made by him and the only source of official statements from him.

all sides use propaganda and Kiev is not so subtle in lying either

Pro-Russia separatist groups in eastern Ukraine are hastily covering up all links to the Buk missile battery suspected to have been used to shoot down the Malaysia Airlines passenger plane, according to western-based defence and intelligence specialists.

As the UN security council called for a "full, thorough independent international investigation" into the downing of the plane, concern that a cover-up was under way was fuelled by a standoff at part of the crash site between observers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) and rebel gunmen, which ended with a warning shot being fired.

Postings on rebel websites immediately after the crash boasted of having shot down what they claimed was an Antonov Ukrainian military transport plane, but these have been deleted.

The US ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, blamed a surface-to-air missile fired by rebels in eastern Ukraine and hinted that they might have had Russian technical help. The rebels are suspected of having used a Russian-built, vehicle-mounted Buk missile system to bring down MH17, killing all 298 passengers and crew. Power called for the crash site to be preserved. "All evidence must be undisturbed," she said. "Russia needs to help make this happen."

But hopes are not high. The OSCE was trying to gain access to one part of the large crash site but the commander of a rebel unit, known as Commander Glum, blocked them. After the warning shot, the OSCE convoy departed.

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Other material on rebel social media sites was being deleted, including pictures showing the alleged capture of Buk missile vehicles by rebels from a Ukrainian air base last month.

Rebels said the boast on the social media site on Thursday that a plane had been shot down was not put up by them but by a sympathiser who mistakenly assumed it was a Ukrainian military plane that had been shot down. But in a separate posting a rebel leader also claimed that a plane had been brought down. "We warned you - do not fly in our sky," he said. That too was removed.

A Nato intelligence specialist quoted by the military analysts Janes said the recordings "show that the Russian 'helpers' realise that they now have an international incident on their hands - and they probably also gave the order for separatists to erase all evidence - including those internet postings. It will be interesting to see if we ever find this Buk battery again or if someone now tries to dump it into a river."

theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/separatist-links-malaysia-airlines-mh17-removed

OSCE already denied lies that there were warning shoots fired at them:
"He denied that the observers had been fired at by pro-Russian rebels, but said one gunman fired shots into the air seemingly to scare off some civilians."

reuters.com/article/2014/07/18/us-ukraine-crisis-airplane-osce-idUSKBN0FN27320140718

could you stop posting Kiev hysteria? someone hear shot and kiev make like they trying to kill OSCE ppl

as for rebels trying to hide some facts-i do not support it,if true they should come up clean

Gregy, dear boy, a warning shot is by definition not fired at anybody: that's what makes it a warning. Now perhaps you run along and play: the adults are talking here. If we want to read the Kremlin's latest lies, we'll head over to Russia To-lie, there's no need for you to parrot those lies here.

still..warning shots fired were not as a result of "standoff between rebels and OSCE" to intimidate OSCE as suggested by THE guardian.

typical changing and twisting facts in order to suggest as if OSCE was in anyway threatened or forced with intent to enact direct compliance,which was not the case..

Really gregy? So give us a reliable source saying no warning shots were fired at OSCE by your fellow proven serial liar Kremlin loyalists.

Now perhaps you run along and play: the adults are talking here.

@gregy741

Stop defending Russians and the rebels. One of them did it. Don't care what Russian or Ukrainian media is saying.
Ukrainians would have to be stupid to shot down that plane. Rebels have nothing to fly at this altitude, Russians do, but then what business would they have to be in the Ukrainian airspace?

Non guilty party would have nothing to hide. So why do the rebels are denying access to the area were the wreckage is scattered?

If I was a rebel and knew that I am not guilty I would invite international investigators on the Bingo. Even used to my own advantage.

Every day that the access is denied to this area there is a possibility of purposely destroying and mishandling the main evidence pieces

Also rebels said that they would give the "black box" to the Russians? Why to the Russians? not the a single Russian lost life in this incident.

Why not the Dutch? or the Aussies, Brits etc Why not the Malaysians authorities? In fact they own that plane and should have the priority access and free movement in that region.

Don't need any CNN or RT analyst to arrive to this conclusion.

Gregy, dear boy, editing people's quotes so as to make them appear to say what they did not say is a banning offence here. And if you're banned, we'd have to surf over to Russia To-Lie to read the Kremlin's latest lies.

oh more lies by Harry.i didn't edit anything,you can check your posts,is it that difficult?


do you guys having problems with my written english or dint i came clear with my view regarding rebels and jet crash?
how about read my posts first before accusing me of anything?

some interesting read:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

"The men of the Vincennes were all awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone"

everyone knows about it, funny how at the same time you avoided the mention of downing of a korean airliner by Soviet Union back in the 80's, so desperate to shift the focus... pathetic borderline distasteful...

Serbia prepares to mediate in Ukrainian-Russian conflict.

As the last Slavs who are basically pagan and turned to common Slavic ancestors, Serbians feel great disturbance within the Slavic civilization in moment when crisis between Ukraine and Russia escalates.

i look forward to see is it possible for Serbs to repeat what they once achieved in past, when they successfully mediated between Zaporozhye Cossacks and Russian Tzarina Cathrine the Great. i have hope. Back then Serbian voice was listened exactly because of their proven loyalty to the ancients.

Slava and peace to the ancestors and to all Slavic children!

FM: Commitment to deescalation of Ukraine crisis

err..maybe to compare USA reaction to almost similar tragedy?and to expose their hypocrisy
when USA shot down airline,they awarded soldiers and even refused to apology Iran..and now calling for sanctions and condemning rebels and Russia.i tho you said you are intelligent?

hypocrisy..? similar...? oh gregy you're losing it just as as Putin's is losing world's goodwill.. first off US weren't denying their actions, but nice try.. can we talk about Ukraine now, thanks..

no they didnt deny,they were bragging about it:
Rogers was awarded the legion of merit for ""for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer

The men of the Vincennes were all awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone. Lustig, the air-warfare coordinator, received the Navy Commendation Medal, often given for acts of heroism or meritorious service,

USA should stop meddling in crisis within Slavia. Same goes for official EU. That for first. If somebody needs to represent EU and NATO when it comes to Ukraine, it is realistic only thru more active role of Poland. Then, as primarily neutral in conflict, Poland can manage to balance Ukrainian interests with its own and Russian interests and, also to have in mind interests of EU/NATO leading powers.

Poland is far from neutral here...
there need to be urgent peace talks but not under NATO or EU,maybe UN come up with something..i hope

Great since we are indulging in a great deal of whaboutery there is this.......


en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

Now has that furthered any understanding or not they shot down a civilian aircraft and lied about it.......

It's distasteful that several people are dancing on the as yet undug graves of the people killed but hey they have a political point to make on the internet and that is important....isn't it?